Hurricane (The Cyclone) Season 2022

[IrishSpartan]

Do buildings need to built to withstand a hurricane in FL?

Yes that you should but it’s not enforced or anything. All homes near or around water should be lifted if they’re below sea level. Must have hurricane shudders and should be sealed, not a lot of people seal the homes down there and but what people don’t realize that if water gets into your garage your screwed if you can’t pump it immediately it’s like a gateway into the house it will get in.

 

[IrishSpartan]

We go down to my parents place in Bonita Springs/Estero every year for Christmas/New Years. Looks like this year will be a bit different.

A few of our favorite restaurants right on the water in the area are The Turtle Club on Vanderbilt Beach in Naples and Big Hickory and Coconut Jack’s both down the road from Docs. Any of the crowd familiar with that area heard anything about how those places fared? I imagine not good given their locations.

Yeah they’re all gone basically I know Coconut jacks had a boat go through it or something. I don’t know if you ever been but up Bonita beach road is Flippers, it is by far the best food and drinks in that area to me also like 20 min further is the fish house which is also great. Hope they are still standing though.

 

[CTIDANDREW]

My friend is in Naples and didn't evacuate and they were all good. They went to Fort Myers Beach and it's completely destroyed. Anything that is one story was completely swept away.

My wife and I took a day trip cruise to Cabbage Key, while vising her grandparents at their Fort Myers beach Condo, to see the alleged restaurant that Jimmy wrote Cheeseburger in Paradise at.
The infamous Dollar Bill Bar at the Cabbage Key Inn.

I can't even imagine the damage that place took over the last 24 hours.
I wouldn't be surprised if the entire Key was under water because of the storm.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

After Hurricane Andrew in the early 90s, Florida significantly modified their building codes, as it caused significant property damage, especially in the Miami area (the new code is often referred to as “Miami-Dade”). Structures built to the new code are essentially all reinforced block exterior walls (even single family houses) with impact resistant glass, and are much more structurally robust than you would see in just about any other part of the country. I don’t recall the exact specified numbers, but the requirements should mean a structure can withstand some fairly significant hurricane strength winds. From what I can tell in a lot of the pictures of damage, you’re seeing mostly older, wood framed structures (or mobile homes) that were built to the old code.

Yeah. I'm good with snow tires.

 

[MacIrish75]

Button up.

Prayers for you man. Be safe.

 

[MacIrish75]

Yeah they’re all gone basically I know Coconut jacks had a boat go through it or something. I don’t know if you ever been but up Bonita beach road is Flippers, it is by far the best food and drinks in that area to me also like 20 min further is the fish house which is also great. Hope they are still standing though.

Big Hickory took a pretty hard hit. Jack’s is still standing but looking rough. Doc’s the same. I’ve heard Fish House is in decent shape comparatively, but haven’t seen any pics.

 

[MacIrish75]

Big Hickory took a pretty hard hit. Jack’s is still standing but looking rough. Doc’s the same. I’ve heard Fish House is in decent shape comparatively, but haven’t seen any pics.

Link: Big Hickory Facebook

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0R8svQT7FM2Yy44YiVLX8WkehND27mFSDC7aQfb6CbALyPpgPphoVXd8XogbJGGdFl&id=100046317954715

 

[Irish#1]

What to expect from Hurricane Ian today in 2 key South Carolina cities​

From CNN meteorologist Brandon Miller

Hurricane Ian is expected to make landfall along the South Carolina coast this afternoon.
Hurricane and tropical storm conditions will be felt over a vast area, as the hurricane-force winds spread for 70 miles and the tropical storm-force winds spread over almost 600 miles.
Here is what to expect in a couple key locations today:
Charleston, South Carolina:

• Period of tropical storm-force wind gusts: now through 9 p.m. ET
• Peak winds: Gusts to 60 to 70 mph+, 11 a.m. to 5 p.m. ET
• Rainfall expected: 3 to 6 inches
• Surge expected: : 4 to 7 feet (probably on the low end since it will be left of the eye)
• High tide time: around 11 a.m. ET

Myrtle Beach, South Carolina:

• Period of tropical storm-force wind gusts: now through 9 p.m. ET
• Peak winds: Gusts to 75 to 85 mph+, 1 p.m. to 8 p.m. ET
• Rainfall expected: 3 to 5 inches
• Surge expected: : 4 to 7 feet
• High Tide time: around 10 a.m. ET

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Do buildings need to built to withstand a hurricane in FL?

Short answer is yes to an extent. Long answer is more complicated. Another question is are buildings designed to resist flooding and being picked up off their foundations. Also yea…. To an extent. Some of these events are so intense that they exceed the design loads we design to for those conditions.

For the global stability of the structure we have minimum design loads to design to. Generally these loads will keep structures up right and intact for a large wind load. The minimum loads for wind will generally allow for minor damage during high wind events. When you get into the local parts of the building say how siding is attached or how many screws or nails were actually used to attach something then that’s when you can get failures in cladding or roofing and once that goes then other stuff stars to go and you get localized damage which then gets amplified as the winds continue. Once the cladding fails you the. Can get high pressures in the building where they can extend the damage to interior places not designed for the loading and that’s when things can get bad.

Similarly for flooding uplift under buildings lifting them up off their foundations. Structures should be tied physically to their foundations. Sometimes the flood pressures exceed what we would design for and if you have a localized failure that accentuate and amplify it globally to the whole structure.

I’m a structural engineer in Charleston which has high seismic loads, hurricane wind loads, and terrible, shitty, horrible liquefiable soils…. So prettty much a horrible place to have buildings … lol

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Looks like the eye is going to pass about 50 miles north of my house. I’m actually in Waco Tx this week so that is a relief.

 

[Irish#1]

Looks like the eye is going to pass about 50 miles north of my house. I’m actually in Waco Tx this week so that is a relief.

So you left your wife to deal with it! Shame on you.

 

[Armyirish47]

So you left your wife to deal with it! Shame on you.

She wears the hip waders in the family.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

So you left your wife to deal with it! Shame on you.

 

[texbender]

Family had a place on Sanibel for 30 years, but sold it a few years ago. The island is decimated and cut off from the mainland. Basically uninhabitable now and for the foreseeable future. I have worked post hurricane alongthe Texas coast, and what I see from southwest Florida is catastrophic. It will take years to recover.

 

[Irishdrunk]

It’s been brutal - off to live in a hotel in Miami until electricity is restored-

 

[ulukinatme]

It’s been brutal - off to live in a hotel in Miami until electricity is restored-

Glad you guys are safe, hopefully they get things back up and running soon. One of our PeeWee coaches in a lineman, they drove down from Ohio to help out. It's really all hands on deck here.

 

[ulukinatme]

Short answer is yes to an extent. Long answer is more complicated. Another question is are buildings designed to resist flooding and being picked up off their foundations. Also yea…. To an extent. Some of these events are so intense that they exceed the design loads we design to for those conditions.

For the global stability of the structure we have minimum design loads to design to. Generally these loads will keep structures up right and intact for a large wind load. The minimum loads for wind will generally allow for minor damage during high wind events. When you get into the local parts of the building say how siding is attached or how many screws or nails were actually used to attach something then that’s when you can get failures in cladding or roofing and once that goes then other stuff stars to go and you get localized damage which then gets amplified as the winds continue. Once the cladding fails you the. Can get high pressures in the building where they can extend the damage to interior places not designed for the loading and that’s when things can get bad.

Similarly for flooding uplift under buildings lifting them up off their foundations. Structures should be tied physically to their foundations. Sometimes the flood pressures exceed what we would design for and if you have a localized failure that accentuate and amplify it globally to the whole structure.

I’m a structural engineer in Charleston which has high seismic loads, hurricane wind loads, and terrible, shitty, horrible liquefiable soils…. So prettty much a horrible place to have buildings … lol

That's some good info. I saw someone point out that newer buildings are designed to withstand tropical storms and worse down there, but no details.
One of my bosses is down that way. They didn't get the worst of it, and fortunately the utilities in their particular area are underground so they still have power there. Feels like that should be a given going forward, bury the cables.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

That's some good info. I saw someone point out that newer buildings are designed to withstand tropical storms and worse down there, but no details.
One of my bosses is down that way. They didn't get the worst of it, and fortunately the utilities in their particular area are underground so they still have power there. Feels like that should be a given going forward, bury the cables.

Modern codes are way more stringent but still they only call for a minimal load design based on where you are in the country and what environmental hazards are present.

 

[Irishdrunk]

Glad you guys are safe, hopefully they get things back up and running soon. One of our PeeWee coaches in a lineman, they drove down from Ohio to help out. It's really all hands on deck here.

I had no internet, data, tv or phone reception since Tuesday… just seeing it now. Crazy.

 

[Huntr]

This flooding is from the Econlockhatchee coming out of its banks near Orlando. At that point, the water has receded 2 ft already.

 

[irishandy]

Anyone affected or that has been affected by the hurricane- be safe and prayers to you and your family.