How many more chances does Golson get?

[ohara831]

Wan't he like the 8th QB listed last week on the big board? Not that its great, but if he won't be starting, and already has academic miscues, it may be an option worth giving a thought.

I cannot recall seeing that board, but I can see your point. I just know that if I am an NFL Draft Scout, he is nowhere in consideration for me. But others might see the potential and draft him on the 3rd day.

 

[ulukinatme]

I'm willing to bet Golson starts the bowl game.

I think you're right, but I hope we're wrong.

 

[nsisk157]

If those projections are accurate, you just stay for the degree.

 

[JT_IRISH]

Benched. Malik plays with confidence. Golson plays skittish.. Happy competition. Go Irish.

 

[Irish Insanity]

If those projections are accurate, you just stay for the degree.

If the academic issues weren't involved, I'd say absolutely.

 

[Irish Insanity]

I cannot recall seeing that board, but I can see your point. I just know that if I am an NFL Draft Scout, he is nowhere in consideration for me. But others might see the potential and draft him on the 3rd day.

Pretty sure it was Kiper

 

[Irish2155]

I've tried really hard to stay away from this thread...and haven't read word.

Our boy is soft, gave up today, didn't try, gave up against USC...our most hated rival.

I'm done with him. Give me Nate Montana...instead. Never thought I'd be saying that until I saw his disinterest tonight...

 

[irishandy]

With the ISD and NDRivals tweets one has to wonder if Golson will even comeback if he is offered a 5th year. If I were Kelly I wouldn't offer him and if I were Golson I'd go elsewhere.

To me Golson is too wishy-washy, he is not hungry, he doesn't make reads, he doesn't make audibles, and he makes too many mistakes. When he is good, he's good and when he's bad the TEAM gets worse.

I don't feel that Golson has what it takes to be a University of Notre Dame quarterback. It is a tough position and one has to wonder once his name was mentioned for the Heisman early on could he take the heat?

I give him all the credit in the world for coming back this year after last years academic mishap. Congratulations to him on getting his degree.

I believe the Malik Zaire era started today against USC. When he came in our offense had a spark, he gave us opportunities, he moved the ball, and he was hungry.

If Notre Dame wants to compete and be in the playoff we won't if we stick with Everett Golson, time to move on.....

 

[Ignats]

With the ISD and NDRivals tweets one has to wonder if Golson will even comeback if he is offered a 5th year. If I were Kelly I wouldn't offer him and if I were Golson I'd go elsewhere.

To me Golson is too wishy-washy, he is not hungry, he doesn't make reads, he doesn't make audibles, and he makes too many mistakes. When he is good, he's good and when he's bad the TEAM gets worse.

I don't feel that Golson has what it takes to be a University of Notre Dame quarterback. It is a tough position and one has to wonder once his name was mentioned for the Heisman early on could he take the heat?

I give him all the credit in the world for coming back this year after last years academic mishap. Congratulations to him on getting his degree.

I believe the Malik Zaire era started today against USC. When he came in our offense had a spark, he gave us opportunities, he moved the ball, and he was hungry.

If Notre Dame wants to compete and be in the playoff we won't if we stick with Everett Golson, time to move on.....

Interesting take. One thing that I've noticed is that he really is not good at reading what the defense is doing pre-snap. I spotted a couple of CB's show blitz pre-snap against Louisville which would have left Robinson open back shoulder. Golson totally missed those reads and was pressured out of the pocket, leading to a broken play. The QB position is much more than flash and playmaking ability, it's the ability to read those types of defenses. Many made fun of "Run Check" Tommy last year but he did get what was going on with the defenses. Hoping that Malik has a similar ability.

 

[koonja]

Interesting take. One thing that I've noticed is that he really is not good at reading what the defense is doing pre-snap. I spotted a couple of CB's show blitz pre-snap against Louisville which would have left Robinson open back shoulder. Golson totally missed those reads and was pressured out of the pocket, leading to a broken play. The QB position is much more than flash and playmaking ability, it's the ability to read those types of defenses. Many made fun of "Run Check" Tommy last year but he did get what was going on with the defenses. Hoping that Malik has a similar ability.

He's pretty bad at it post-snap too. IDK that I've ever seen a QB who hasn't looked 'smarter' after 2 full years of starting at QB.

Maybe if we can convince Texas to rush with broomsticks next year he'd be good, but at this point I do not believe he has the football IQ or anticipation to get much better.

 

[Grahambo]

He's pretty bad at it post-snap too. IDK that I've ever seen a QB who hasn't looked 'smarter' after 2 full years of starting at QB.

Maybe if we can convince Texas to rush with broomsticks next year he'd be good, but at this point I do not believe he has the football IQ or anticipation to get much better.

Half the battle at QB is being able to diagnose the defense pre-snap and see where all 11 guys are on the field. Big names to point to but look at Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Eli, etc...look at how busy they are pre-snap. Almost like crossing a road..look left, look right, look left again. When someone points out a blitz is being shown, they'll adjust protection. I just don't see that type of a thing happening with Golson. Many times someone would line up outside the tackle for a blitz and you can just tell Golson doesn't see it. His internal clock is painfully slow too.

A QB needs to be active and engaged and he just doesn't seem like he is most of the time. The jury is still out on Zaire but from body language alone, it is a step in the right direction. Kelly gave Golson all the chances in the world..time to name Zaire the starter and get him prepared.

 

[NCND]

I loved Zaire's fire in passion in the spring game. Hopefully he's the man going forward. Good luck to EG w/ whatever he does in the future.

 

[koonja]

Was awesome to see how excited Malik was when CJ went for however many yards that was. Malik literally sprinted down in excitement. College football? Passion? Get that shit out of Notre Dame!

Malik reminds me a lot of JT Barrett. Look alike, run alike, both have the arm and appear to have A++++++ leadership.

 

[IrishinSyria]

I loved Zaire's fire in passion in the spring game. Hopefully he's the man going forward. Good luck to EG w/ whatever he does in the future.

Most likely start as the quarterback of Notre Dame

 

[ndftbl]

My guess is Kelly will announce it will be a QB competition going into training camp, and that Zaire will come out on top as the starter.

I'm just glad he finally gave Malik a chance.

He looked just as good yesterday, as he did in the Spring Game.

The most impressive part was his total confidence, from the first snap.

As his decisions on the zone read, were much better than Golson's all season long.

Just looked like he belonged there. Golson, on the other hand, was starting to look like a deer in headlights.

As long as Malik does not severely falter in the bowl game, he will be the leading QB candidate, in Kelly's mind.

Still am amazed that, during the ONE pass attempt yesterday when Golson had all kinds of time, he could not see the wide open Fuller (I believe), down the right sideline.

 

[ndftbl]

I'm willing to bet Golson starts the bowl game.

I doubt it.

Kelly has absolutely zero to lose, and everything to gain, by starting Malik.

The other thing I think this game will REALLY drive home to Kelly: he simply MUST develop his second and third stringers, THE SAME WAY he develops the first string.

And this starts with recruiting the right players.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

I'm betting that Golson starts the bowl game and plays well enough to keep the debate going through the Spring.

That leads us to the next subject: Brian Kelly will have his most important year as a D1 head coach next year IMO. Not only will expectations be through the roof & excuses (as legit as they may be) not tolerated; it will set up his future going forward.

If I'm an NFL exec & BK has ever been on my radar, I'm watching closely how he handles 2015. With expectations sky high, will he meet (or even exceed expectations...is that possible?) them or flame out w/ another 4-5 loss season? If he can't handle the adversity & pressure he's going to go through from now thru this time next year, he sure as hell won't be able to handle the expectations of a big city NFL team.

If he can get next year's team to the CFB Playoff, then he's done a helluva job b/c all we've heard since the injuries started snowballing is how great ND should be next year. All of us ND fans know that ND hasn't done well in recent history w/ high expectations. The best years have been when ND flew under the radar and turned out to be a pleasant surprise until falling flat in the bowl game (1998, 2000, 2002, 2005, 2012).

Also, BK has been coaching a long damn time. We don't know what kept him from pulling the trigger on Golson earlier than he did. Ego/stubborness aside, he obviously never saw enough out of Zaire to give him confidence that he could lead the offense despite EG's inconsistency. Now he's got what he never wanted...a QB controversy.

 

[ndftbl]

My guess is Kelly will announce it will be a QB competition going into training camp, and that Zaire will come out on top as the starter.

Agree on both counts, but don't really think these are guesses.

 

[ndftbl]

Was awesome to see how excited Malik was when CJ went for however many yards that was. Malik literally sprinted down in excitement. College football? Passion? Get that shit out of Notre Dame!

Malik reminds me a lot of JT Barrett. Look alike, run alike, both have the arm and appear to have A++++++ leadership.

Not as fast, but overall close to as good.

 

[philipm31]

Bigger question. Does Kelly WANT to coach at ND anymore?

I absolutely do not see him staying much longer, certainly not a decade.

Just seems that he does not get the idea of what it takes to coach at ND, or that he cares, honestly.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Question about George Witfield. Does his 'program' that Golson attended include reading D or is it specifically tailored to footwork, body movement, amd arm strength?

 

[ndftbl]

"Just seems that he does not get the idea of what it takes to coach at ND, or that he cares, honestly."

Not sure what you mean. How does he not get it, and what makes you think he doesn't care?

 

[philipm31]

"Just seems that he does not get the idea of what it takes to coach at ND, or that he cares, honestly."

Not sure what you mean. How does he not get it, and what makes you tn think he doesn't care?

His body language after the game, for one. The fact that he lost this team so spectacularly is another. The fact that he does not realize that our second and third string players NEED to be ready, just on the off-chance we have major injuries like we did.

The fact he never developed a viable alternative to Golson just because.

The guy may already have just said eff it, I am done here. If you think he has the passion and desire to coach at ND for another five years, ask Cincinnati how that worked out for them?

I just think he is tired of coaching at ND and wants out, and one way is just coach like it.

 

[NDRock]

Weis was an alum, he "got it". Didn't seem to help.

 

[nsisk157]

If the academic issues weren't involved, I'd say absolutely.

Would he be on schedule to graduate if he were to come by for his 5th year?

 

[IrishinSyria]

I doubt it.

Kelly has absolutely zero to lose, and everything to gain, by starting Malik.

The other thing I think this game will REALLY drive home to Kelly: he simply MUST develop his second and third stringers, THE SAME WAY he develops the first string.

And this starts with recruiting the right players.

I mean, he only has the rehabilitation of a potential Heisman winner's confidence to gain from it, so yea...that's the same thing as nothing.

 

[dmort]

The offense as a unit has got to be in turmoil,where the QB consistently turns the ball over.How can such a QB be a leader ?

 

[Catholics_Rule]

His body language after the game, for one. The fact that he lost this team so spectacularly is another. The fact that he does not realize that our second and third string players NEED to be ready, just on the off-chance we have major injuries like we did.

The fact he never developed a viable alternative to Golson just because.

The guy may already have just said eff it, I am done here. If you think he has the passion and desire to coach at ND for another five years, ask Cincinnati how that worked out for them?

I just think he is tired of coaching at ND and wants out, and one way is just coach like it.

I agree about this.

I've never been sold on Kelly. Some things have bothered me about him. I told my wife and in-laws (all Notre Dame fans) that Brian Kelly to me is using the head coach position at Notre Dame has a stepping stone and nothing more. It literally has had ZERO fire or passion this season.

 

[Chris P. Bacon]

Pray that we saw that LAST game Golson ever takes a snap as a ND QB. Damn he's terrible!

Oh come on now.



He'll get a few mop up duty snaps next year against UMASS, give the guy a chance to turn the ball over at least one more time in his career.

 

[Bluto]

I agree about this.

I've never been sold on Kelly. Some things have bothered me about him. I told my wife and in-laws (all Notre Dame fans) that Brian Kelly to me is using the head coach position at Notre Dame has a stepping stone and nothing more. It literally has had ZERO fire or passion this season.

Give me a break. Did you watch the Michigan and Florida State games? Frankly I think a finger should be pointed squarely at Golson. He has let this team down in a big way two seasons in a row. Maybe this crisis in confidence stems from that? BK clearly stated before the season even began that Golson was going to have to take charge, be the man and the O was going to have carry this team. When he really needed to step up he, along with some of the other leaders on offense completely folded. Happens all the time in football. If your Senior QB is going to be incosnsitent and erratic it's hard not to expect that from the rest of the offense. End of story.