Gun debate raging

[stonebreakerwasgod]

Threads like this make me want to shoot someone. In the face. With a bazooka.

I'm sorry to hear that someone put a GUN to your head and made you click on this thread, and post. The horror!

 

[Newc]

Whats so wrong with hunting? Why can't we hunt something cool like a hawk or an eagle, something with some talons? That'd be awesome. We could get something like big game. Even like a gorilla or a rhinoceros or a human being! That'll get you jacked up. I mean like, hunt a human being right now, most dangerous game. Like a worthy adversary. Not a human being that's armed, but a clever, a clever, human being who knows the jungle. Or the woods.

 

[SoCalDomer]

So this hunter was caught shooting and killing a bald eagle and hauled into court, charged with killing an endagered species.

The hunter threw himself on the mercy of the court, explaining to the judge he had hunted every type of game, but not for sport, he ate everything he killed. Curiosity got the better of him and he just had to know what bald eagle tasted like. He told the judge he would never do it again, and that he had never shot a bald eagle in the past.

The judge, being a hunter as well decided to dismiss the charges but gave him a stern warning. After court adjourned, the judge called the hunter into his chambers.

The judge explained, as an avid hunter himself, he couldn't help but wonder what the bald eagle tasted like as well. The hunter replied, "much more flavorful than a spotted owl, and not nearly as tough as a gray wolf."

 

[daytonirish]

LOL, but that's just wrong SoCalDomer.

 

[goldandblue]

I think you need one more.

Before it's all said and done with, I will. People collect all sorts of stuff. I just choose to collect guns. My prized possesion right now is a Nitro Hunter 12 gauge bought out of a Sears Roebuck catalog in 1906 for $9.43. I have the original reciept. It was inherited to me from my Grandfather who was born in 1906 when his father bouth the gun for him upon birth.

Unfortunetly, the gun is not worth much more than a 100 dollars but carries quite a bit of sentimental value.

 

[piyachi]

Hmmm I'll throw my liberal-hat in the ring...

I do think that people should be able to have guns, essentially as a precaution against the government. Whether that is limited to militias or home or whatever, don't care.

Automatic weapons are meant to hunt one thing; humans. Having them floating out there among the general populace is insane - what is the use in having an AK unless you are going to evaporate someone with it? A semi-pistol is one thing, but some of the stuff people own.... I just don't get why they are allowed to buy it. I don't blame people for buying them - they are badass, but they shouldn't be allowed to buy them in the first place.

People say that as long as there are safety locks, etc on guns at home that they are safe from kids... I disagree. Kids aren't dumb, they are just little people. They will always be able to figure out a way around the barriers and I think you are less likely to have a home invasion than you are to have a child shoot someone. I don't think I would ever own a gun to protect my family. If I had kids and someone tried to hurt them a louisville slugger would be all I would need to kill the mofos.


Really the important point to me is registration. What is the objection to registering every legally bought gun? I would think it would solve a lot of hassle trying to track down criminals. If you shoot someone in your home, and have a registered gun; how does that hurt you? If it's stolen it helps you... I just don't see the reasoning behind objections.

Ok sorry for the soapbox.


Oh and if you kill and animal, eat it. Same goes for people

 

[goldandblue]

Hmmm I'll throw my liberal-hat in the ring...

I do think that people should be able to have guns, essentially as a precaution against the government. Whether that is limited to militias or home or whatever, don't care.

Automatic weapons are meant to hunt one thing; humans. Having them floating out there among the general populace is insane - what is the use in having an AK unless you are going to evaporate someone with it? A semi-pistol is one thing, but some of the stuff people own.... I just don't get why they are allowed to buy it. I don't blame people for buying them - they are badass, but they shouldn't be allowed to buy them in the first place.

People say that as long as there are safety locks, etc on guns at home that they are safe from kids... I disagree. Kids aren't dumb, they are just little people. They will always be able to figure out a way around the barriers and I think you are less likely to have a home invasion than you are to have a child shoot someone. I don't think I would ever own a gun to protect my family. If I had kids and someone tried to hurt them a louisville slugger would be all I would need to kill the mofos.

Really the important point to me is registration. What is the objection to registering every legally bought gun? I would think it would solve a lot of hassle trying to track down criminals. If you shoot someone in your home, and have a registered gun; how does that hurt you? If it's stolen it helps you... I just don't see the reasoning behind objections.

Ok sorry for the soapbox.


Oh and if you kill and animal, eat it. Same goes for people

Well, first you take all the necessary precaution such as locked gun safes, trigger locks, Seperating guns and ammunitions, and also as you stated, kids are not stupid so you teach them what they need to know about gun safety and dangers.

To the second part of the bolded quote, You are right, If someone came at my family I'd kill them with whatever I could get my hands on. But if that person has a gun, you are a lot more likely to be succesful if you have a gun you can access as well.

 

[goldandblue]

The first nite with our baby was scary.

First night.... Hell, I was scared to death for at least a month!

 

[SoCalDomer]

I do think that people should be able to have guns, essentially as a precaution against the government. Whether that is limited to militias or home or whatever, don't care.

...

Really the important point to me is registration. What is the objection to registering every legally bought gun? I would think it would solve a lot of hassle trying to track down criminals. If you shoot someone in your home, and have a registered gun; how does that hurt you? If it's stolen it helps you... I just don't see the reasoning behind objections.

If one of the big purposes of gun ownership is protection against govn't, then why would you want the govn't to have the list of people who own guns? If the govn't decided to go ballistic, after they go to everyone's house who has guns and confiscate them, what are the people without guns going to do? That's one of the first thing Nazi Germany did; confiscate guns. An unarmed citizenry really can't do much to stop a totalitarian govn't.

Plus, do you really think the govn't can keep accurate lists? Millions of dollars and millions of dollars worth of gov't stuff goes unaccounted for every year.

 

[goldandblue]

If one of the big purposes of gun ownership is protection against govn't, then why would you want the govn't to have the list of people who own guns? If the govn't decided to go ballistic, after they go to everyone's house who has guns and confiscate them, what are the people without guns going to do? That's one of the first thing Nazi Germany did; confiscate guns. An unarmed citizenry really can't do much to stop a totalitarian govn't.

Plus, do you really think the govn't can keep accurate lists? Millions of dollars and millions of dollars worth of gov't stuff goes unaccounted for every year.

Good post SoCal!

 

[piyachi]

Well socal.... your points mostly contradict one another.... If the government is incapable of keeping accurate lists then how would them being totalitarian allow them to pursue people that own guns?

I do think they can keep accurate lists, or at least should be held accountable for it. Just because they are incompetent in many cases doesn't mean they are given less responsibility - they need to shape up or fire the people that can't get it done.

It is a good point about concerns for absolute government control. I'd say that I am torn on the issue which is probably why I didn't have a very persuasive argument. On the one hand anyone who gives up a little freedom to gain a little security (paraphrasing here) is an idiot. On the other hand I think the most pressing issue in our time is murders via guns, not totalitarian government control (despite recent incursions into constitutional law). So I can't really tell you which I'd prefer long-term, but short term it seems like it would discourage or prevent a lot of shootings if there was a registration program.

 

[SoCalDomer]

Well socal.... your points mostly contradict one another.... If the government is incapable of keeping accurate lists then how would them being totalitarian allow them to pursue people that own guns?

No, they weren't contradictory, they were different arguments from different perspectives.

The first argument (we don't want the gov't keeping tabs on who owns the guns if one reason for gun ownership is to protect against the gov't) was an argument against the theory that it would be a good idea. The first argument assumes it is realistically possible for the gov't to keep lists.

The second argument (that the gov't doesn't do a great job with accuracy) was an argument against it being a realistic possibility.

For example: the thread I started entitled My "BCS" Solution. Many people made arguments against my solution in theory. Others argued against it as a realisitic solution. The arguments against it weren't contradictory, they just attacked it from two different perspectives.

Someone may believe communism is good in theory, but the realistic possibility of it happening are not likely (not trying to start a political debate, just using this as an example).

Or perhaps a political candidate suggests his/her solution for some issue (healthcare, immigration, taxes, etc). The opponent could attack the idea in theory (meaning the solution is a bad one) and attack it realistically (the gov't won't be able to implement it even if it was a good idea).

 

[KamaraPolice]

i don't think anyone should have a gun for any reason. aside from me.

actually, i dont have a gun, just never had the opportunity to fire a weapon growing up in a big city.

my first gun purchase, however, will be this:

smith and wesson cougar disabler. mighty fine gun, can't wait til they hit the open market. right now you can only really get them from china. but those are the version a3's and they have lead paint. im just going to wait.

 

[SoCalDomer]

look at you with all the money. staying out of the sportsbook still?

 

[KamaraPolice]

trying to. it's hard to make vbucks the honest way (through lotto tickets) when i see all the guys on the block making it quick through the sports book.

 

[KamaraPolice]

why wont my glue gun load properly?

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

My wife got me a nail gun. She really hit that one on the head.

 

[SoCalDomer]

wah wah wah wahhhhhhh

 

[SoCalDomer]

my first gun purchase, however, will be this:

smith and wesson cougar disabler. mighty fine gun, can't wait til they hit the open market. right now you can only really get them from china. but those are the version a3's and they have lead paint. im just going to wait.

The gun from China shoots lead paint? won't it take long term exposure to lead paint to do anything?



grin:

 

[onenybrother]

I'm just waiting for the government to get a handle on all the illegal guns. I had a fifteen year run when I knew someone who was murder by a illegal hand gun. The way it so easy to get your hands on a gun is a travesty. With so many illegal guns out there, you can't help to see why so many people feels the need to own one. The problems of living in a democracy.

 

[stonebreakerwasgod]

The bad guys will always have access to guns. The question is whether or not guns are a good idea to have at home to protect yourself/family from the bad guys.

During the riots in L.A, lots of people bought guns. It's times like those (which you can't predict) that people are concerned about. Not just burglary.

 

[piyachi]

No, they weren't contradictory, they were different arguments from different perspectives.

The first argument (we don't want the gov't keeping tabs on who owns the guns if one reason for gun ownership is to protect against the gov't) was an argument against the theory that it would be a good idea. The first argument assumes it is realistically possible for the gov't to keep lists.

The second argument (that the gov't doesn't do a great job with accuracy) was an argument against it being a realistic possibility.

For example: the thread I started entitled My "BCS" Solution. Many people made arguments against my solution in theory. Others argued against it as a realisitic solution. The arguments against it weren't contradictory, they just attacked it from two different perspectives.

Someone may believe communism is good in theory, but the realistic possibility of it happening are not likely (not trying to start a political debate, just using this as an example).

Or perhaps a political candidate suggests his/her solution for some issue (healthcare, immigration, taxes, etc). The opponent could attack the idea in theory (meaning the solution is a bad one) and attack it realistically (the gov't won't be able to implement it even if it was a good idea).

gotcha boss - I'm getting senile in my elder years.... that or I have just been drinking too much for the past 4

 

[SouthernIrish]

I guess I think it is just too easy to buy and own a gun. Georgia has some of the softest gun laws in the nation and leads the country in most guns used in crimes out of state. If you are 18 and not a felon, stalker or crazy you can buy a gun here. Lot of guns are sold to straw buyers who then get them to the felon, stalker crazy people. Soft laws allows more guns getting into the wrong hands.

If you are a responsible gun owner, why would you mind taking gun safety classes, getting a license that has to be renewed and registering your gun? Its no different than what we expect when getting a drivers license. If you choose to own a gun you should have to prove that you are responsible enough to own one, same as driving a car.

I just don't get the NRA and their fight against gun control laws.

A few years ago in Metro Alanta we had several terrible wrecks that killed over a dozen teenagers one summer. Next thing you know, really tough teen driver laws were passed. Why hasn't Columbine, Virginia Tech and the recent mall shootings done the same?

 

[piyachi]

During the riots in L.A, lots of people bought guns. It's times like those (which you can't predict) that people are concerned about. Not just burglary.

Man I'm telling you - someone is welcome to come into my house with a gun while I have a baseball bat - they might run out of bullets but I'm not going to run out of bat.

When we lived in Brookland in DC we got used to the idea of shootings. You just need to know what to do if a situation happens, because the mental preparation is what is so key. I guess the ghetto just makes you less paranoid once you have seen what that other part of the (United States) life is like.

Haha we had a drive-by into our dorm my frosh year - that was exciting.

 

[fortwayne_nd]

I guess what bothers me about guns is that it seems so easy to get one. You have to take a test to drive a car, have insurance, and its considered a priviledge not a right to drive. Not with a gun.

Of course, I had these same thoughts when the hospital let us walk out the door with a baby. "What are these people thinking letting US take a baby home?"

Driving a car isn't mentioned in the Second Amendment. Neither is abortion.

 

[NDOM]

My Caulk gun wont shoot! Ya think the chamber may be clogged?

 

[IRISHDODGER]

The 2nd amendment is to conservatives what legalized abortion is to liberals. It's all about the slippery slope whether it's fair or not.

Some liberals weren't against a ban on partial-birth abortions b/c of principle but b/c it would lead to banning of all abortions via slippery slope.

Some conservatives aren't vs. a ban on semi-automatic weapons b/c of the need for 'em but b/c it would lead to a banning of all handguns via slippery slope.

Both cases may seem silly but when that's the main issue for each respective group they both tend to be less trusting of ANY gov't involvement.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Ever read the best seller, Freakanomics? It studies the statistics of what led to more children dying accidentally in a home: handguns or swimming pools. More accidental deaths occurred in swimming pools than w/ handguns.

That is not the end all be all of statistics for or against gun ownership mind you. Just an interesting perspective, IMO.

Like the old saying goes: "Ted Kennedy's automobile has killed more people than my handgun."

 

[NDOM]

Ever read the best seller, Freakanomics? It studies the statistics of what led to more children dying accidentally in a home: handguns or swimming pools. More accidental deaths occurred in swimming pools than w/ handguns.

That is not the end all be all of statistics for or against gun ownership mind you. Just an interesting perspective, IMO.

Like the old saying goes: "Ted Kennedy's automobile has killed more people than my handgun."

Nice post. Good point there IRISHDODGER! Reps my man!

 

[IRISHDODGER]

Nice post. Good point there IRISHDODGER! Reps my man!

Thanks pal. If you like that you'll love this clip. Check it out.

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