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[Nd thruN'thru]

Hey I just wanted to say Hey to everybody, this is my first post and I look forward to many intelligent conversations on ND football.

This last weekend vs. Michigan I think Brian Kelly got a little bit of a wake up call. Now I'm a huge Brain Kelly supporter and am from Michigan and had seen him coach before he got to ND. But I think after the Michigan Game that Brain Kelly really got to see that the offense needs a lot more work to get it to the caliber it was at his former institutions. The offense was inefficient at times and really was not prepared to be handled by anyone but Dayne Christ. I was at the game and when Montana and Reese got in I could tell that they were not prepared to handle what had just been thrown on them. I understand that Kelly is new and hasn't fully instilled his offensive philosophy and play book to the fullest but he needed to realize what the number 2s could handle throughout the game. Like he said many times in his numerous press conferences he should have had a package just for them but even during the game I know Kelly is genius enough to think on the run and give the quarterbacks plays were they're not going to have to sit in the pocket and make four different reads in less then 5 seconds. I just was a little disappointed with how the backups were prepared, having a solid back up who can come into the game at anytime is crucial to success for any team.

Also, on a slitely differnt note. What are your opinions on the call at he end of half to not take the 3 points and then call a play that required pin point accuracy by a wide eyed walk on backup quarterback (even though in my opinion Nate is fully capable of covering the backup position).

 

[jason_h537]

I look forward to many intelligent conversations on ND football.

not after a loss

btw welcome

 

[Old Man Mike]

Greetings. The answers to your inquiries [probably more than you'd wish for] are scattered all over the board. Just pick a likely sounding thread title and read it. If you really like "insider" style ND fan information and viewpoints, you'll probably enjoy just randomly reading it all [especially under Notre Dame football]. I doubt however that many of the guys will want to answer the questions that they've already chimed in on dozens of times---but their answers are still available so welcome and enjoy yourself.

 

[Nd thruN'thru]

. I doubt however that many of the guys will want to answer the questions that they've already chimed in on dozens of times---but their answers are still available so welcome and enjoy yourself.

Thanks Mike. I don't have very many friends that are Notre Dame fans (mainly Michigan) like me and joined this site just lookin to vent about Notre Dame football to other people who love it as much as me. Appreciate the advice

 

[phork]

There is no second guessing the nonFG.. Crist was out, didn't know if he would be back. Michigan got the ball back after the half, down by 2 TDs as it was. I would have done the same thing.

 

[Nd thruN'thru]

yeah thats exactly what Kelly said but it seems like you have to have confidence in your coaching and players that your not going to be shut out of the end zone for a whole half. going for it wasn't my biggest problem, it was the call to throw the ball into such a tight window. A simpler, move the pocket, type of offensive play that would have been easier for Nate to run the play just off of his athletic ability instead of thinking about pin point accurecy

 

[BearGB]

There is no second guessing the nonFG.. Crist was out, didn't know if he would be back. Michigan got the ball back after the half, down by 2 TDs as it was. I would have done the same thing.

I wouldn't go that far. I personally still disagreed with the call. Secondly, Kelly himself said that it was the wrong call. To clarify, he did not go as far as saying that his decision to go for the TD was a bad call. However, he did say that the play "had too many moving pieces," and that Nate wasn't ready for it. His words: "It was not the right call, in retrospect... That call was on me."

In other news, NdThruNThru - welcome to the board. I agree completely with your sentiments. Kelly is one of the best in the nation, no doubt. However, he will still have some growing pains - as Saban did at Alabama, as Lou did when he started here.

 

[NDinL.A.]

I was with 3 other huge ND fans, and all 3 of them played college football. 2 of us said to go for it, and the other 2 said to kick it. I was on the side of going for it, so I can't sit here and say today that Kelly blew it. It's the old adage...if they make it he's a genius. But of course they didn't, so now he's an idiot according to many and he's being 2nd guessed big-time. But that's the life of a coach.

The reason I said to go for it was b/c of what Phork talked about...who knew that Crist would be back for sure? At that point, that drive seemed about as close as we might get to a TD all night. I wanted the 7 points and the momentum. Alas, it didn't work out.

 

[phork]

yeah thats exactly what Kelly said but it seems like you have to have confidence in your coaching and players that your not going to be shut out of the end zone for a whole half. going for it wasn't my biggest problem, it was the call to throw the ball into such a tight window. A simpler, move the pocket, type of offensive play that would have been easier for Nate to run the play just off of his athletic ability instead of thinking about pin point accurecy

Its not that you were going to be shut out, its that you were facing a possible 3 score deficit potentially right after half time. And not being able to shut down Robinson meant game over. For all intents and purposes the game was over when Crist went out. Montana recovered a bit near the end of the half, but if you are down 28-10, you still need 3 TDs, or at best 2TDs with 2point conversions and a FG.

Why you don't let Rudolph plant himself 2 yards in and just toss it to him is beyond me. Frankly I probably could have thrown that TD.

 

[SoInIrishFan]

"Frankly I probably could have thrown that TD."

Statements like this always amuse me.

 

[GoingGreen]

Guys, it's almost time for MSU. We lost, time to move on.

 

[IrishAlum1997]

It was a bad call not to put the 3 on the board. Did they mention during the broadcast that Dayne had the helmet on and was loosening up on the sideline prior to Montana going out for the last drive of the 1st half? My opinion on the situation is that Kelly may have had a pretty good idea that Dayne would be good to go, and they were giving him the rest of the first half to get back to full strength.

Oh. well.

 

[IrishinSyria]

100 out of 100 times, Kelly will not go for the three in that situation. He's an aggressive coach, you have to take the good with the bad. Honestly, he couldn't have predicted the skunkbear kicker missing 2 FGs in the second half, so even given that Crist did come back AND we had some huge plays AND our D made some huge stands...we still would have needed more than 3 points out of that play if Michigan didn't **** up. Re-watching the play, its tough to blame Montana; their left end came free and there wasn't a receiver open.

 

[tankjeep]

Hey I just wanted to say Hey to everybody, this is my first post and I look forward to many intelligent conversations on ND football.

This last weekend vs. Michigan I think Brian Kelly got a little bit of a wake up call. Now I'm a huge Brain Kelly supporter and am from Michigan and had seen him coach before he got to ND. But I think after the Michigan Game that Brain Kelly really got to see that the offense needs a lot more work to get it to the caliber it was at his former institutions. The offense was inefficient at times and really was not prepared to be handled by anyone but Dayne Christ. I was at the game and when Montana and Reese got in I could tell that they were not prepared to handle what had just been thrown on them. I understand that Kelly is new and hasn't fully instilled his offensive philosophy and play book to the fullest but he needed to realize what the number 2s could handle throughout the game. Like he said many times in his numerous press conferences he should have had a package just for them but even during the game I know Kelly is genius enough to think on the run and give the quarterbacks plays were they're not going to have to sit in the pocket and make four different reads in less then 5 seconds. I just was a little disappointed with how the backups were prepared, having a solid back up who can come into the game at anytime is crucial to success for any team.

Also, on a slitely differnt note. What are your opinions on the call at he end of half to not take the 3 points and then call a play that required pin point accuracy by a wide eyed walk on backup quarterback (even though in my opinion Nate is fully capable of covering the backup position).

welcome aboard. nice first post and i agree.

as for not going for the field goal. for the most part, i'm all about getting the points, especially when your no. 2 qb is struggling.

 

[phork]

3 points is as good as zero if your starting QB is out and your down by 11 with the other team, who you haven't really stopped, getting the ball back after the half. You can second guess the FG, and people will, because of the final score. Hindsight is 20-20.

 

[nd1]

Hey I just wanted to say Hey to everybody, this is my first post and I look forward to many intelligent conversations on ND football.

This last weekend vs. Michigan I think Brian Kelly got a little bit of a wake up call. Now I'm a huge Brain Kelly supporter and am from Michigan and had seen him coach before he got to ND. But I think after the Michigan Game that Brain Kelly really got to see that the offense needs a lot more work to get it to the caliber it was at his former institutions. The offense was inefficient at times and really was not prepared to be handled by anyone but Dayne Christ. I was at the game and when Montana and Reese got in I could tell that they were not prepared to handle what had just been thrown on them. I understand that Kelly is new and hasn't fully instilled his offensive philosophy and play book to the fullest but he needed to realize what the number 2s could handle throughout the game. Like he said many times in his numerous press conferences he should have had a package just for them but even during the game I know Kelly is genius enough to think on the run and give the quarterbacks plays were they're not going to have to sit in the pocket and make four different reads in less then 5 seconds. I just was a little disappointed with how the backups were prepared, having a solid back up who can come into the game at anytime is crucial to success for any team.

Also, on a slitely differnt note. What are your opinions on the call at he end of half to not take the 3 points and then call a play that required pin point accuracy by a wide eyed walk on backup quarterback (even though in my opinion Nate is fully capable of covering the backup position).

welcome aboard and if you are looking for intense nd discussions you are in the right place. it gets heated around here sometimes.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

I do not think you have a choice, you have to go for it given the situation. Kelly did say that he does not second guess going for it, he second guessed the play he called. His only fault was he should have called another timeout and, like phork said, draw up something simple to get Kyle the ball.

 

[GEORGIA DOMER]

I told my son get the points! u still have 1/2 the game to play. the only other play i would hve tried is a power i with a big lead blocker and hughes right up the middle

 

[ndcoltsfan2010]

We tried for a touchdown and didn't get it. Should we have gone for the field goal? I don't know, but it is what it is and we didn't score anything. Sometimes you take risks. Sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. I think as the season progresses we will see alot from this team in a positive way. Even though we lost, I like how the boys fought till the end and put themselves in a position to win this game.

 

[laservet]

I agree with IrishinSyria, you hire an aggressive coach you have to expect aggressive play calls. The upside of it is that he doesn't call a safe run up the middle to make more room for the punter when pinned near his own goal line, instead he has the qb drop back into the end zone to throw a long pass. Magic when it works, sucks when it doesn't, but it's the nature of the beast.

 

[Nd thruN'thru]

I agree that Kelly is an aggressive coach but theres times when you gotta think about the big picture. Taking the points into half time would have been a huge confidence and momentum booster for Montana and the team. If Montana had to come back out at half with the thought of having a good drive to come away with zero points at half idk if he would be able to rebound from that having no game experience in DI football

 

[Irish_Angst]

Kelly rolled the dice before the half... didn't make it, but worth a shot IMO.

I'm just disappointed that it wasn't a better throw at the end of the game that would have at least had a chance of being caught. It'll take a couple games, but Crist will get his touch.

Nd thruN'thru: Welcome to the site... you'll have fun. Enjoy!