God. Is He truly good?

Old Man Mike

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To IrishCanadian: Jesus' words [and many traditional revelations worldwide] "say" that there is a reward for the Good but DO NOT PROVE IT. Thus, even with Jesus' wonderfully hopeful words, the promise of the Reward is a BIG matter of Faith. We see this all the time that this Faith is shaken by worldly events just like this tragedy that is discussed, and prayerfully lamented, here in this thread.

A Promise which requires Faith, rather than Proof, is exactly God's way of making the choice a fair one. If there were no revelations, God would be asking too much of us to have Faith and choose the Good even in the face of bad things, and other choices which would immediately reward us in self-oriented ways. God has, brilliantly of course, designed and maintained this Universe and our relationship to it, so as to place each of our consciences on a "knife-edge" of true free decision-making. Each is constantly challenged by these circumstances according to whether they, and their families and true "Samaritan neighbors" can handle [spiritually] whatever comes. God refuses to Prove that He or the Afterlife exists in order to maintain the Plan, BUT HE GIVES THE GAME AWAY to the discerning by maintaining the constant "impossible" knife edge of our lives and our doubts.

Whenever I see that His Universe has placed me on another such knife edge decision, I laugh out loud, look to Heaven, and say: HAH!! I SEE YOU NOW!!
 

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Wow, first politics, now religion? Remember the good old days when we'd talk about NDNation, BBNDG, and Justin Grubl? Good times.
 

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Wow, first politics, now religion? Remember the good old days when we'd talk about NDNation, BBNDG, and Justin Grubl? Good times.

I figured that since neither topic had ever been broached on IE that I would do the honor of bringing them up. Next in line: abortion.
 

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I ask this question because this morning a very good friend of mine lost his year long battle with cancer. He was a 29 year old husband and father of 3 beautiful little girls. He was a God fearing Christian who gave everything he had to the church. He was an amazing example of what a man and a man of God should be. Even through his battle with cancer he never lost faith and used it as a way to spread God's will. He didn't deserve this. His wife didn't deserve this. And his 3 little girls didn't deserve this. So I ask you... how can God be good? How can God take a man so devoted to spreading His word yet allow scum like Jerry Sandusky to live a long life?

Maybe? Maybe not? He's more of a mystery to me personally.

"It's all a part of God's plan".....Yeah, I'm sick of hearing that too. It's an excuse.

That's what I've never understood about the whole grand plan deal...When something horrible happens, it's "gods plan"....when something good happens, it's god at work.

Sure.


I'm a "God fearing man"...why fear him if he's good?

Just things to ponder. Doesn't make me any less of a person or believer
 

irishpat183

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Philosiphizers be damned. Bad **** happens to good people. There are no answers for us living. The real question is to me at least, will we have the answers when we die? If not, I guess it just doesn't matter. I'm simply a realist. Too many friends and family, a lot of them young, died well before their times. To me, just goes back to personal belief and faith.

1. Do I want to be a happy person that believes there's a God with a grand pla.
2. A happy person that wants to believe life on this earth is it, and when we die there is nothing, so make the best out of it you can.
3. Or a person with a bad attitude that there is no god, or god is bad, and there is no grand plan.

I'm still trying to decide if I'm 1 or 2. I'll never be a 3. Life sucks some times, actually more than some times, but I'm not going to be a malcontent and make myself miserable. I do hope for 1 though.

Great post.

I'm still finding myself as well...at 30 years old.

I'm happy believing, but I also believe that there is no "plan". I make my own decisions and carve my own path...with the help of the higher power.

Why have free will...if we're all just a part of some big plan that's going to take place anyway?
 

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Maybe? Maybe not? He's more of a mystery to me personally.

"It's all a part of God's plan".....Yeah, I'm sick of hearing that too. It's an excuse.

That's what I've never understood about the whole grand plan deal...When something horrible happens, it's "gods plan"....when something good happens, it's god at work.

Sure.


I'm a "God fearing man"...why fear him if he's good?

Just things to ponder. Doesn't make me any less of a person or believer

Hate to get away from the God-hate, but you disappeared from a particular thread after someone posed a particularly difficult question for you to handle. You spread a ton of hate and talked a lot of sh!t about Mexican immigrants, and then ran and hid when you got put to the fire, making me chase you to this thread. So when are you going to answer the question posed to you on this thread:

http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/leprechaun-lounge/69651-illegal-immigrant-get-law-license-3.html

The question is in post #83. Intersted to hear your response...
 

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‎"Don't believe everything you see, read, or hear from others, whether of authority, religious teachers or texts... Find out for yourself what is truth, what is real, and you will discover that there are virtuous things and non-virtuous things. Once you discover that for yourself, give up the bad and embrace the good" - The Buddha
 
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