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stlnd01

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Yeah, and oddly enough the 5 spot doesn't even look like the best path. Looks like Penn State has the best path at #6.

That said, IrishLion pointed this out in our group text, but it looks like the committee may have rearranged some teams from 5-12 to make the matchups better. That may have been why things shook out the way they did.
Wait I thought the first rule of the cool kid group text was never talk about the cool kid group text. ;)

But, yeah. I could see matchups being part of the rationale here. Indiana felt pretty locked in to 10, and Georgia to 2. Someone had to be 7th. Having us at 7 avoids a Big Ten v Big Ten game in the first round, and a third Texas-Georgia game in the second round. Would be nice if they were upfront about that, though.
 

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What do we think is driving this, the SEC teams dominating viewership and ND dropping out of the top 10 in viewership? Is the NBC contract hurting us, or are there other factors?


ND usually has two or three big TV draws per year (sometimes four).

USC and FSU should've been top-ten viewership, to go along with A&M... if either team was worth anything.
 

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ND usually has two or three big TV draws per year (sometimes four).

USC and FSU should've been top-ten viewership, to go along with A&M... if either team was worth anything.
It's this, and I think... THINK, some of it has to do with the way the younger generation views/follows the sport.

Gone is the regionality of it all. Gone is the love of a team because you're from that area (or Catholic in NDs case). Kids want to "see the best teams play" and are becoming bigger fans of the SEC teams here in PA, in the Midwest, all over, rather than the regional powers that have always been.

Add to the ESPN gobknobbing of the SEC over the last dozen+ years, and you are going to believe they are the only games worth watching anymore.
 

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Ya, I agree...it's nothing more than bad matchups, that ND couldn't help. Who's gonna tune in to ND vs Army/Navy even Ga Tech. When you can tune into UGA vs Bama/Ole Miss/Tenn.
 

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What do we think is driving this, the SEC teams dominating viewership and ND dropping out of the top 10 in viewership? Is the NBC contract hurting us, or are there other factors?


This clause in the article might help explain...."The data encompassed all games across ABC and the ESPN networks, Fox’s networks, NBC, CBS and the CW. No conference networks were included, as some are not Nielsen rated. Kentucky’s average may have been inflated because its four ABC games were the only times it appeared on a Nielsen-rated network."

The data provided is average viewers for games on the major networks. So the less than stellar ratings for a game like Western Michigan at Ohio State (1.72M viewers) and Arkansas State at Michigan (980K viewers) on the Big 10 Network aren't factored into OSU's and Michigan's average viewership. For the SEC, games like TN Tech @ Georgia or Mercer @ Alabama don't factor into their average viewership either.

But for Notre Dame all their games factor into the average viewership so all those crappy home dates end up in ND's data but not in the other big brands. For example, the Stanford at ND game drew 1.87M viewers on NBC. Twice as many than watched Ark St. vs Michigan but the Stanford game is in ND's averages and the Ark St. game is not in Michigan's.

Couple that with ND's historically awful matchups this season, especially the home slate and you get numbers skewed against ND. If Notre Dame had Georgia's schedule, with its several marquee matchups - Clemson, Alabama, Texas, Florida, Ole Miss, Tennessee, instead of the dregs of this season's ND schedule, ND's TV ratings would be comparable to those at the top of the article's list.
 

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This clause in the article might help explain...."The data encompassed all games across ABC and the ESPN networks, Fox’s networks, NBC, CBS and the CW. No conference networks were included, as some are not Nielsen rated. Kentucky’s average may have been inflated because its four ABC games were the only times it appeared on a Nielsen-rated network."

The data provided is average viewers for games on the major networks. So the less than stellar ratings for a game like Western Michigan at Ohio State (1.72M viewers) and Arkansas State at Michigan (980K viewers) on the Big 10 Network aren't factored into OSU's and Michigan's average viewership. For the SEC, games like TN Tech @ Georgia or Mercer @ Alabama don't factor into their average viewership either.

But for Notre Dame all their games factor into the average viewership so all those crappy home dates end up in ND's data but not in the other big brands. For example, the Stanford at ND game drew 1.87M viewers on NBC. Twice as many than watched Ark St. vs Michigan but the Stanford game is in ND's averages and the Ark St. game is not in Michigan's.

Couple that with ND's historically awful matchups this season, especially the home slate and you get numbers skewed against ND. If Notre Dame had Georgia's schedule, with its several marquee matchups - Clemson, Alabama, Texas, Florida, Ole Miss, Tennessee, instead of the dregs of this season's ND schedule, ND's TV ratings would be comparable to those at the top of the article's list.
In other words as data analysis it's essentially garbage.
 

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In other words as data analysis it's essentially garbage.

In other words, based on the stated criteria, Northern Illinois likely finished in the Top 15 (and ahead of Notre Dame) with an average viewership of 3.93M. Because they were on a major network only once and drew an average of 3.93M viewers for their game against ND. Therefore, they are a bigger draw than Notre Dame.
 

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This clause in the article might help explain...."The data encompassed all games across ABC and the ESPN networks, Fox’s networks, NBC, CBS and the CW. No conference networks were included, as some are not Nielsen rated. Kentucky’s average may have been inflated because its four ABC games were the only times it appeared on a Nielsen-rated network."

The data provided is average viewers for games on the major networks. So the less than stellar ratings for a game like Western Michigan at Ohio State (1.72M viewers) and Arkansas State at Michigan (980K viewers) on the Big 10 Network aren't factored into OSU's and Michigan's average viewership. For the SEC, games like TN Tech @ Georgia or Mercer @ Alabama don't factor into their average viewership either.

But for Notre Dame all their games factor into the average viewership so all those crappy home dates end up in ND's data but not in the other big brands. For example, the Stanford at ND game drew 1.87M viewers on NBC. Twice as many than watched Ark St. vs Michigan but the Stanford game is in ND's averages and the Ark St. game is not in Michigan's.

Couple that with ND's historically awful matchups this season, especially the home slate and you get numbers skewed against ND. If Notre Dame had Georgia's schedule, with its several marquee matchups - Clemson, Alabama, Texas, Florida, Ole Miss, Tennessee, instead of the dregs of this season's ND schedule, ND's TV ratings would be comparable to those at the top of the article's list.
Nice digging. I was curious if it was something biased or limiting like that.

Definitely helps explain some things. Along with our opponents underperforming this year, it all makes sense.

THIS sounds like it might even be more significant in shaping the average viewership than our opponents underperforming.
 

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Sounds like ticket prices might be dropping. Could be a bad sign for the size of the ND crowd IMO.
 

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Watts is the only ND player to make any of the three AP All American teams. Seems ridiculous but actually makes sense since most of our older, more established players aren’t star caliber and the new guys don’t have the broad recognition needed yet.
Love, Moore and Schuyler are virtual locks next year if they stay healthy.
Cross was probably the most significant omission but he really didn’t have that good a year.
 

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On3 reporting another transfer in: Ty Washington TE from Arkansas. Bit of a head scratcher to me-only 21 catches in 3 years
 
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The Athletic's freshman All-America team (which includes redshirt freshmen)

Moore and Shuler made first team.
Knapp and Ausberry made second team.
Gotta wonder if KVA would've made the list if he'd stayed healthy the last few games.
It's a good question. 2/3 of KVA's tackles were assisted. He had the same amount of assisted tackles as Ausberry, but 24 less overall tackles. KVA also less tackles per game.

Name Yr Pos G Solo AssistedTotalTotal/G
Jaiden Ausberry FRLB133122534.08
Kyngstonn Viliamu-AsaFRLB117 22292.64

I don't think so many assisted tackles is a bad thing. I think that means he's either quick to the ball or holding up the player while others rally to the ball?

If anyone want to compare and contrast stats, here are a couple decent databases.


 
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