Future Playoff Expansion… Hmmm

[Irishdawg]

Report: SEC, Big Ten 'building momentum' to expand College Football Playoff

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www.on3.com

 

[CoachB]

That's one of the dumbest ideas I have read. Are people in positions of power actually considering this? Why in the world would you allow leagues that have a vested interest get to decide what conferences get bids? That's crazy! Also, why in the world would you allocate what league gets what amount of bids before the season? They should wait until the end and slot in the most deserving teams, regardless of conferences. Just lunacy.

 

[NDRock]

That's one of the dumbest ideas I have read. Are people in positions of power actually considering this? Why in the world would you allow leagues that have a vested interest get to decide what conferences get bids? That's crazy! Also, why in the world would you allocate what league gets what amount of bids before the season? They should wait until the end and slot in the most deserving teams, regardless of conferences. Just lunacy.

It’s coming. Best thing anbout all auto qualifiers is not having to listen to Herbstreit and his band of douchbbags talk about “eye test”, “most deserving”, etc.

 

[NDFAN2008]

I don't think they should expand at all keep it the same, you had more teams it just means 1 extra game now we were limping into the title game.

 

[MacIrish75]

Honestly I don’t see how that is bad for us if it comes to fruition. AQ if we’re in the top-14? Sign me up.

 

[MacIrish75]

I don't think they should expand at all keep it the same, you had more teams it just means 1 extra game now we were limping into the title game.

If you do away with CC games, the maximum games played for any team would be 16. 12 regular season games, four maximum playoff games. Give every team two bye weeks during the regular season and that’s not a bad scenario.

 

[NDohio]

A pretty good breakdown on these changes.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

College football trying to replicate the NFL is nauseating

 

[DomeFieldAdvantage]

It’s coming. Best thing anbout all auto qualifiers is not having to listen to Herbstreit and his band of douchbbags talk about “eye test”, “most deserving”, etc.

Oh you sweet summer child.

If there is literally any advantage to be had, the propaganda arm of the SEC will talk up their league. They will argue so the SEC can get higher seeds and whatever at large bids remain.

 

[IrishSpartan]

Watched pate this morning... I hate this for us

 

[Dale]

Watched pate this morning... I hate this for us

Why? ND is likely on B1G and SECs side here

 

[IrishSpartan]

Why? ND is likely on B1G and SECs side here

I meant about how after 25 basically SEC and the BiG will run the CFP (literally in the paperwork). 4 automatic bids each also is stupid

 

[Blazers46]

I like the 12, i like the format except for how they seed

 

[Dale]

The B1G and SEC running the CFP is better than what it has been, which has been just the SEC (ESPN) running the CFP.

I’m not sure I would ever expect a 14 team playoff to not include 8 B1G, SEC team so putting it to paper really doesn’t matter to me.

ND should never expect to be in a 14 Team playoff without being in the top 14.

 

[Mavericknyc1980]

Would this force us to join a league?

 

[MacIrish75]

Would this force us to join a league?

Not if we’re guaranteed a seat at the table as long as we’re in the top 14. The only way things get dicey is if we can’t schedule accordingly if everyone goes to 9 conference games and then a 10th in some sort of “crossover” challenge.

 

[irishnd31]

If you do away with CC games, the maximum games played for any team would be 16. 12 regular season games, four maximum playoff games. Give every team two bye weeks during the regular season and that’s not a bad scenario.

I would think if they did away with the CCGs, this would force most of the "powerhouses" to schedule less "cupcakes" and would then be forced to play a stronger schedule???? No?
Or do you think the big boys would stick to their current play 3 or 4 tough games and fill the rest with middle of the road to dead in the water teams?

 

[MacIrish75]

I would think if they did away with the CCGs, this would force most of the "powerhouses" to schedule less "cupcakes" and would then be forced to play a stronger schedule???? No?
Or do you think the big boys would stick to their current play 3 or 4 tough games and fill the rest with middle of the road to dead in the water teams?

That would be my thinking and probably a big reason why they’re already talking about going to 9 conference games with some sort of crossover game. You would see teams cut their cupcake games in half, at least.

 

[forkbeard3777]

But for the Playoff expansion, both Ohio State and Notre Dame wouldn’t have been in last year’s Playoffs. The system worked. Not sure why the uproar?

 

[Dale]

But for the Playoff expansion, both Ohio State and Notre Dame wouldn’t have been in last year’s Playoffs. The system worked. Not sure why the uproar?

ND would have been in.

 

[NDohio]

But for the Playoff expansion, both Ohio State and Notre Dame wouldn’t have been in last year’s Playoffs. The system worked. Not sure why the uproar?

Here is the final poll prior to the playoffs. I am fairly certain that ND would have been in over Texas or Penn State after they each lost their Conference Championship Game.

1. Oregon
2. Georgia
3. Texas
4. Penn State
5. Notre Dame
6. Ohio State
7. Tennessee
8. Indiana
9. Boise State
10. SMU
11. Alabama
12. Arizona State

 

[IHateMarkMay]

But for the Playoff expansion, both Ohio State and Notre Dame wouldn’t have been in last year’s Playoffs. The system worked. Not sure why the uproar?

Maybe.

I don't recall the committee doing a whole lot of ranking after the conference championship games. If they looked at resumes, ND would probably have jumped PSU.

 

[forkbeard3777]

ND would have been in.

No they wouldn’t have. Not in a 4 team Playoff. Regardless and more importantly, Ohio State definitely wouldn’t have been in. The expanded Playoff has been a success — especially with NIL and the Portal. You’ll see less super teams and you’ll have more parity.

ETA: That said (and I missed this in the original article), I do not like the SEC and Big Ten, or any conference for that matter, getting "four automatic bids." That's hogwash.

But, I've told you all before, that this thing, eventually, was expanding to 16-teams. I've got a very reliable source/personal friend heavily involved with Fox Sports (and formerly CBS) that told me that a few years ago that it was merely a matter of time...

 

[NDohio]

No they wouldn’t have. Not in a 4 team Playoff. Nonetheless, Ohio State wouldn’t have been on as well. The expanded Playoff has been a success — especially with NIL and the Portal. You’ll see less super teams and you’ll have more parity.

The committee looked at championship game losses differently this season opposed to previous seasons. In the four team CFP era, the conference championship games were looked at as round one of the playoffs - it was rare that a CCG loser made the CFP. .

 

[Dale]

No they wouldn’t have. Not in a 4 team Playoff. Regardless, Ohio State definitely wouldn’t have been in as well. The expanded Playoff has been a success — especially with NIL and the Portal. You’ll see less super teams and you’ll have more parity.

ETA: That said (and I missed this in the original article), I do not like the SEC and Big Ten, or any conference for that matter, getting "four automatic bids." That's hogwash.

But, I've told you all before, that this thing, eventually, was expanding to 16-teams. I've got a very reliable source/personal friend heavily involved with Fox Sports (and formerly CBS) that told me that a few years ago that it was merely a matter of time...

Genuinely asking, Is there an instance of both the Big Ten and SEC Championship game loser having multiple losses and being in the 4 team playoff?

 

[forkbeard3777]

The committee looked at championship game losses differently this season opposed to previous seasons. In the four team CFP era, the conference championship games were looked at as round one of the playoffs - it was rare that a CCG loser made the CFP. .

I mean, did they? Please note that I'm not arguing or trying to bicker, but strictly looking at it, Texas was #5, Penn State was #6, and Notre Dame was #7. They really didn't knock them for losing to Georgia, again, and Oregon, respectfully.

 

[Dale]

I mean, did they? Please note that I'm not arguing or trying to bicker, but strictly looking at it, Texas was #5, Penn State was #6, and Notre Dame was #7. They really didn't knock them for losing to Georgia, again, and Oregon, respectfully.

I mean yes, they did, you can find many instances of the loser being left out. How many instances was the loser included, with multiple losses?

Right, they didn’t knock them for losing this year, because the expanded playoff devalued the conference championship game, which is exactly why the “system worked” is dumb. If the system is let’s create more games that mean nothing but get us TV revenue. Great system we’re heading towards….

 

[forkbeard3777]

Genuinely asking, Is there an instance of both the Big Ten and SEC Championship game loser having multiple losses and being in the 4 team playoff?

My initial thought would be either Georgia or Alabama, but they may have only lost in the SEC Championship (2021, for example). However, I don't believe either would have had "multiple losses."

 

[forkbeard3777]

I mean yes, they did, you can find many instances of the loser being left out. How many instances was the loser included, with multiple losses?

Right, they didn’t knock them for losing this year, because the expanded playoff devalued the conference championship game, which is exactly why the “system worked” is dumb. If the system is let’s create more games that mean nothing but get us TV revenue. Great system we’re heading towards….

You're right - I misread the post. Not sure a conference championship loser with 2+ losses has ever gotten in. Not off the top of my head at least.

Regarding the bolded part, the expanded Playoff worked, in theory, this year. You can bitch and moan about IU or Boise getting in, but looking at it from a bird's eye view, all higher seeded teams (Oregon, Georgia, Boise State, and Arizona State) lost. The National Champion, Ohio State, definitely would have been left out. Further, in regard to Notre Dame, candidly, their selection into a 4-team Playoff would be up in the air. If I'm ND, I wouldn't have wanted to roll the dice and take my chances there...Objectively, they had the worst loss of all, the schedule wasn't overly daunting, and more importantly, you'd be faulting both Penn State and Texas for losing an additional game (against the #1 team and the #5 team in its home state) while ND kicked its feet back. I think it would have been extremely challenging for the committee to fault either Penn State or Texas, there. In addition, Boise, Clemson, ASU, and IU would also have legitimate arguments to be included in the top 4 - especially the conference champions.

Thankfully, it didn't get there and we all saw a magical run by ND.

 

[NDohio]

I mean, did they? Please note that I'm not arguing or trying to bicker, but strictly looking at it, Texas was #5, Penn State was #6, and Notre Dame was #7. They really didn't knock them for losing to Georgia, again, and Oregon, respectfully.

I mean yes, they did, you can find many instances of the loser being left out. How many instances was the loser included, with multiple losses?

Right, they didn’t knock them for losing this year, because the expanded playoff devalued the conference championship game, which is exactly why the “system worked” is dumb. If the system is let’s create more games that mean nothing but get us TV revenue. Great system we’re heading towards….

Yeah, Dale is all over my point here.