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Nothing about this situation should be taken lightly. It doesn't really matter what they were discussing. You have the head of the FBI, cia, director of intelligence, VP, the president's chief of staff using non secure devices and application that auto deletes messages. That should fucking concern everyone. Add on top what they were discussing and how they inadvertently added a journalist(could have been anyone that they had in their contacts). This is pure incompetence on multiple levels.

People trying to focus on war plans vs attack plans, classified vs non classified, or if the CIA agent was undercover or not, are being purposely disingenuous to down play the seriousness of this.
 
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NDVirginia19 said:
For the reference of those that don’t know what sort of things are CUI: it is entirely benign things like internal schedules and policy decisions. If CUI was truly the most classified level of information shared (I would still guess that it’s S/NF at highest), then this would be such a non story it would be laughable
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Nothing about this is a non story. And the fact that you continue to downplay this is absolutely asinine.
 
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ColoradoIrish said:
Nothing about this situation should be taken lightly. It doesn't really matter what they were discussing. You have the head of the FBI, cia, director of intelligence, VP, the president's chief of staff using non secure devices and application that auto deletes messages. That should fucking concern everyone. Add on top what they were discussing and how they inadvertently added a journalist(could have been anyone that they had in their contacts). This is pure incompetence on multiple levels.

People trying to focus on war plans vs attack plans, classified vs non classified, or if the CIA agent was undercover or not, are being purposely disingenuous to down play the seriousness of this.
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This wasn't a decision making body, it was members of the NSC being kept in the loop. The actual decision making to conduct the strike was through another channel. Conversations just like this one are held in person all of the time and not documented or covered under the PRA
 
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NDVirginia19 said:
This wasn't a decision making body, it was members of the NSC being kept in the loop. The actual decision making to conduct the strike was through another channel. Conversations just like this one are held in person all of the time and not documented or covered under the PRA
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None of that matters, try to have to ability to take a step back and look at gravity of the situation that unfolded.
 
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NDVirginia19 said:
This wasn't a decision making body, it was members of the NSC being kept in the loop.
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This isn't even completely true. At the start of the chat there was a discussion regarding IF the strike should even happen. Was the final decision to commence the strike done outside this channel? Yes...but to act as though this was just a "hey, here is an update" text chain is false. Vance and Hegseth were going back and forth on the logic and decision making behind it with Vance finally acquiescing to Hegseth on the matter.
 
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"In the intelligence hearing, Representative Joaquin Castro, Democrat of Texas, took issue with the intelligence officials saying the information in the Signal chat on the Houthi strikes was not classified. “You all know that’s a lie,” he said. “It’s a lie to the country.”"
 
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lol so they are both going now but cancelled all their public events. What's the deal?
 
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BuaConstrictor said:
Two things:
-Greenland told them to get fucked. Likely refused cooperation on any events.
-Vance is a party to the entire Signal chat thing so they likely want to avoid his dumb ass having to answer questions about it.
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Vance, Hegseth, and Susie Wiles should be answering questions too.
 
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ColoradoIrish said:
Would be even show up? Seems like the kind of guy that would drink a bunch and take the easy way out over showing up.
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It’s not incompetence. It’s intentional. Project 2025 specifically talks about how to avoid paper trails. They put a training video out about it ffs.
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Subverting typical messaging channels to avoid FOIA requests - a purely Republican phenomenon lmao
 
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ColoradoIrish said:
None of that matters, try to have to ability to take a step back and look at gravity of the situation that unfolded.
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I think it is a bigger deal than the administration is messaging right now and a smaller deal than the Democrats are messaging right now
 
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NDVirginia19 said:
I think it is a bigger deal than the administration is messaging right now and a smaller deal than the Democrats are messaging right now
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It would only be a smaller deal if the administration would have taken accountability at the onset. But like many things, the coverup starts to exceed the initial crimes.
 
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Subverting typical messaging channels to avoid FOIA requests - a purely Republican phenomenon lmao
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I can't believe I have to say this because it makes me sound like defending Hilary and I'm unequivocally not

But there's a drastic difference from have an email server at home vs using an app like signal which is designed to "self destruct" messages after a certain amount of time.

The fact that signal is encrypted shouldn't even matter. Like most things with cyber security and security in general you're only as secure as the gatekeepers. And everyone in that chat has proven to be incompetent. You can't accidentally invite someone to a meeting with all of those people if it was held in person. You can't accidentally invite someone to that conversation if they were using secure devices that didn't allow personal contacts. You can accidentally invite someone to that conversation if they were using the governments encrypted messaging apps.

There's two reasons to use signal, the encryption aspect and the "self destruct" feature. They could've used any number of government comms for the encrypted side. It seems fairly obvious they value the self destruct feature because why else use it? And if they're using it for this then what else are they using it for?
 
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