Fire Charlie

[IrishAlum1997]

A more telling poll might be, WILL Charlie be fired after the USC game? Does the margin really matter at this point? $20 mil is $20 milz. I can't afford for tuition to be $500,000/year by the time my first gets to college (she's in 1st grade now), I have 4 future Domers to finance. C'mon athletic ability or Notre Dame Scholars!

 

[zooyorkdj]

I don't watch NBC on Saturdays to applaud the student body's academic endeavors. As far as mystique goes....we're 88-61 since 1996. I guess that it's easy to build mystique now days, eh?

If you didn't graduate from ND then go watch the NFL with statements like that...you obviously have no idea what we area all about.

My opinion now, you can't fire Weis this year, if you do you loss this years recruits, a lot of potential next year recruits, others will transfer etc...this leaves the cabinets bare all over again...if we fire Weis this year, the program will go back another 7 years. Look what has happened because of all of the hiring and firing since Holtz...

Leave it be until next year, at least you have some stock with players, then you can take the time needed and find the coach that you really want here at ND.

You can't think on emotion here, you have to use logic. It sucks, I am with you all, but ND is not ND anymore, the playing field has leveled, and god forbid why would any coach want to come here anyways...I know I wouldn't, not with all of the BS that surrounds the position.

 

[IrishAlum1997]

I don't think you necessarily lose recruits (at least not many), if you get the right coach. Think about how this year's freshman class stuck together during that godawful season last year.

 

[Bubba]

I voted no. I wouldn't be complaining if they did, but I don't want it. I say we have to give him one more year. But, he must win next year or he should step down on his own. He talked a good game coming in. If he doesn't live up to what he said he would do by next season, I'm all for saying good bye Charlie.

 

[NDMontana]

If you didn't graduate from ND then go watch the NFL with statements like that...you obviously have no idea what we area all about.

My opinion now, you can't fire Weis this year, if you do you loss this years recruits, a lot of potential next year recruits, others will transfer etc...this leaves the cabinets bare all over again...if we fire Weis this year, the program will go back another 7 years. Look what has happened because of all of the hiring and firing since Holtz...

Leave it be until next year, at least you have some stock with players, then you can take the time needed and find the coach that you really want here at ND.

You can't think on emotion here, you have to use logic. It sucks, I am with you all, but ND is not ND anymore, the playing field has leveled, and god forbid why would any coach want to come here anyways...I know I wouldn't, not with all of the BS that surrounds the position.

Go play dungeons and dragons if you can't understand reality.

I guess I've been completely mislead. Notre Dame wants to sell their merchandise, sign huge deals with NBC and charge high prices for tickets so they can fund academics? Is that what I tell people when they see me wearing ND apparel: I wear it because the school has high academic standards. How many Harvard or Yale hats do you see people wearing? How often are Ivy League Schools on national television?

It sounds like they're duping people to me. I grew up on ND football, the school has profited enormously off of football and legions of fans who have never even set foot on the campus. If they wish to continue their business than I suggest that they chart a new course. Football made Notre Dame. Blue collar fans who live and die with the Irish on Saturdays made ND. I wouldn't want ND to sell itself down the river and became Miami-esque but don't feed me this "what the school is all about" b.s. The football program is about making money and they are going to find it difficult to do so when our generation is the last that remembers what ND football was. When I'm watching ND on Saturday what do I tell my kids? Oh yeah, we're losing to USC 60-0 but it's enjoyable because of what the school stands for. I want my kids to go to an outstanding institution based on its academic standards. However, I don't expect my kids to root for a school's athletic program based on the merits of their academics.

Maybe ND can modify their contract with NBC. Next year, instead of showing football games for three hours during the fall, NBC can broadcast three hours of Notre Dame students working on various projects for school, engaging in anthropolgy and just being altruistic and intelligent all-around. I'd like to see how that does in the ratings.

 

[mooneytostle]

I voted no. I wouldn't be complaining if they did, but I don't want it. I say we have to give him one more year. But, he must win next year or he should step down on his own. He talked a good game coming in. If he doesn't live up to what he said he would do by next season, I'm all for saying good bye Charlie.

It doesn't take 5 years to turn around a college football program. I am certainly not disputing the fact that there was a talent/experience deficit b/c of Willingham, there was and it was significant. It has come clear that talent is not the issue. It is attitude, fundamentals, and intensity. Weis does not teach proper fundamentals, does not get his teams fired up for games, and does not have his teams prepared to win every saturday. Once this is realized as a certainty, you cannot keep such a coach. To do so is a further detriment to the program.

I say all of this without confidence that ND can find an acceptable replacement and we may be stuck with Weis for another year.

 

[alleycat9]

i have lost faith in charlie weis, in the fact that he can turn these kids into men. i feel he is a very good man and a very good football mind. however he is not a motivator or someone who gets the most out of his kids no matter what.

i really hope that charlie looks at himself this offseason, EARLY this offseason. i am talking about starting next sunday and really thinks about what he is doing and whether he can do it. then he should step down as coach and allow someone to come in and finish the recruiting for the year.

hopefully most of the kids dont end up leaving as i think there is talent on the team. however there is no fire or heart.

seno that is exactly the problem, its the coaches responsibility to make sure the team gives a shit, if they dont he needs to make changes. as a coach i dont give a shit if i have 11 guys that want to play i will let them play all day!those who dont care can sit their ass on the bench for the entire 4 years they are there, and i dont care how high of a recruit they are. some of the offensive line needs to be sat down, i dont care if they are the most talented put someone in there who wants to hit the guy in front of him.

 

[gairish]

keep Charlie

keep Charlie

all questions are now answered, anyone in charge of Notre Dame's best interest ( AD ) who cant see this is either gutless or lame minded. We all wanted Charlie to get it done but to allow this to go own is just irresponsible. Do it now before SC because they are going to try to give the program the death penalty by the way they beat us. This will provide an excuse for the new coach like the Faust firing.

 

[NDboy15]

Let's see what Crist can do, Tate will be a junior and Floyd will be a soph. If he can't win 9 games with that, he should be canned.

 

[IrishAlum1997]

Do you really think Crist will get a shot out of the gate next year? Jimmy is this team's QB, and he won't lose that role unless this team struggles. If that's the case, it's adios Chuckeroo, and we're praying for 2010 already.

 

[kmoose]

I don't watch NBC on Saturdays to applaud the student body's academic endeavors.

Did you bother reading it? Alan Page is an NFL HALL OF FAMER! He was a 9 time Pro Bowler, an 11 time All Pro, and the NFL MVP in 1971. He also happened to be an incredibly sharp cookie. But the point was.......he wasn't JUST a great football player.

 

[gairish]

fire charlie

fire charlie

I wish i could have been wrong. All questions are now answered. Do it now because sc is going to humiliate us for future recruit purposes and this will provide an excuse as it did for faust when he was replaced by lou. If the powers at be do not do this they are gutless timid and irresponsible. We all wanted this coach to do it as he is notre dame but it is beyond his ability.

 

[phork]

Do you really think Crist will get a shot out of the gate next year? Jimmy is this team's QB, and he won't lose that role unless this team struggles. If that's the case, it's adios Chuckeroo, and we're praying for 2010 already.

I believe Charlies thought is, whoever is best to start at the position. I mean I know thats what he sells recruits on.

 

[kicker20]

No maybe's about it...Firing him is the best decision. I don't care who we get it has to be better than CW. It would be neat to beat USC but I still want him gone! Did Ty ever embarrass us this much? Not a Ty fan but I need to be fair and the answer is NO!

The reason you try a 48yd fg up by 6 points with 4 min. left. If he makes the kick, which he has 2 times in the last 2 seasons. If he makes it, they need 2 scores to win. If he missed, like he did, it gives Walker the confidence that the coach has faith in him. We lost due to turnovers, not fg's.

 

[WaveDomer]

Thats like saying all these Bank CEOs have been great outside the boardrooms, because as you know there is more to being human than letting your company fail.

He was hired to win football games. THAT IS HIS JOB.

Obviously he was hired to win football games. But he was also hired to be a representative of the school and recruit good kids. He's done 2 of the 3 and did some of the the winning, although not as much as we would like. So yeah, I say you're out of line saying "Thanks for nothing."

 

[NDMontana]

Did you bother reading it? Alan Page is an NFL HALL OF FAMER! He was a 9 time Pro Bowler, an 11 time All Pro, and the NFL MVP in 1971. He also happened to be an incredibly sharp cookie. But the point was.......he wasn't JUST a great football player.

I didn't need to read the article. I know Alan Page's story: Supreme Court Justice in Minnesota.....yady yady yada. He's a great story. But guess what, even the "thug" schools, like Miami, have people that go onto occupy important positions in society.

I'm not talking about ND accepting JUCO's or people with criminal records. I'm talking about ND accepting kids who graduate from high school with a 3.0 GPA. Hell, I'm going to graduate this spring from a school that is consistently ranked in the Top 5 of Harvard's Most Prestegious/Difficult Small Universities in the country. My high school GPA was 2.1 and I've never been below a 3.5 in college--there are a lot of people like me.

I went to a small Catholic High School in Butte, MT. My graduating class was 32. We had two students that went on to Notre Dame (1/16 of the class, not bad!) and neither was as smart as I am. They just buried their friggin' noses in books all night, every night and all weekend. It's not impressive to me that they had to work *that* hard to get where they wanted to go. The message I got was that memorizing works....well good for them. Don't get me wrong, their hard work was commendable but not everyone has the high need for achievement characteristic.

 

[kmoose]

I didn't need to read the article. I know Alan Page's story: Supreme Court Justice in Minnesota.....yady yady yada. He's a great story. But guess what, even the "thug" schools, like Miami, have people that go onto occupy important positions in society.

I'm not talking about ND accepting JUCO's or people with criminal records. I'm talking about ND accepting kids who graduate from high school with a 3.0 GPA.

Maybe I wasn't very clear. I'm not saying that ND should only accept the cream of the crop, academically. What I *am* saying is that the University Administration should absolutely take everything into account, when making decisions on Athletic Coaches. To my way of thinking, it would significantly tarnish the mystique, for the Administration to adopt a "win at all costs" attitude. And that was in direct response to people on here who are saying "offer Stoops, Meyer, et al, whatever it takes to get them to come here", or "so Meyer recruits a bunch a thugs? He wins!". I can see what you are saying about Saturday afternoons, but don't blame the Administration for putting the school's principles first.

 

[aaronb]

I voted no on the poll. I'm as ready for success in this program as the next guy. However we have got to break this cycle of changing coaches every few years. Weis has shown can recruit. He did take us to 2 BCS games in his first 2 years. I figured this would be an 8 win season back in August. 6-7 wins is an underachiving squad. But it is improvement. I say give him 2009 to get back into the 9-10 win range. If Charlie fails next year. Then it's probably time to make a change. However we have to get off this attitude of expecting NC's every year. Knute Rockne ain't walking through that door. Some goundwork is going to have to be laid before we can get there. Charlie recruited like he was laying groundwork. He just hasn't shown that he can develop these recruits. Next year will be year 4 with "his guys". As fans/alums we at least owe him that.

 

[Clausen2Kamara]

I voted no on the poll. I'm as ready for success in this program as the next guy. However we have got to break this cycle of changing coaches every few years. Weis has shown can recruit. He did take us to 2 BCS games in his first 2 years. I figured this would be an 8 win season back in August. 6-7 wins is an underachiving squad. But it is improvement. I say give him 2009 to get back into the 9-10 win range. If Charlie fails next year. Then it's probably time to make a change. However we have to get off this attitude of expecting NC's every year. Knute Rockne ain't walking through that door. Some goundwork is going to have to be laid before we can get there. Charlie recruited like he was laying groundwork. He just hasn't shown that he can develop these recruits. Next year will be year 4 with "his guys". As fans/alums we at least owe him that.

Reps to you my friend..Took the words right out of my mouth..I was quick to jump the gun after our debacle...but once I cleared my head it just didn't make sense to fire CW...Nice..thats a new topic!!

 

[The Polish Irishman]

Last 25 games....9-16 with 3 of those loses being a combined score of 109-3.

 

[mooneytostle]

Last 25 games....9-16 with 3 of those loses being a combined score of 109-3.

just embarrassing. There wasn't one of us who didn't want Weis to succeed. He has left the program with the best talent that has been in South Bend since '93 and we have to thank him for that. But now, it is clear that he cannot turn Notre Dame into a perennial title contender.

 

[NDMontana]

Maybe I wasn't very clear. I'm not saying that ND should only accept the cream of the crop, academically. What I *am* saying is that the University Administration should absolutely take everything into account, when making decisions on Athletic Coaches. To my way of thinking, it would significantly tarnish the mystique, for the Administration to adopt a "win at all costs" attitude. And that was in direct response to people on here who are saying "offer Stoops, Meyer, et al, whatever it takes to get them to come here", or "so Meyer recruits a bunch a thugs? He wins!". I can see what you are saying about Saturday afternoons, but don't blame the Administration for putting the school's principles first.

I have yet to mention any names as a possible successor to CW. I'll do that when and if he gets his pink slip.

The administration can do what they please but it's fairly obvious that they care little for the football program. We'll see how they feel about their legacy when they don't have the money rolling in from the football team because nobody watches the games or buys the merchandise. I'd like to see how they fund a private school, that does not receive the subsidies that public schools do, when their alums and former fan base have nothing but speech and debate to root for.

10,000 undergrad students + 2,000 post-grads, correct? 12,000 Students.....maybe they can be the first school to charge $1,000,000 per year of attendance.

 

[mooneytostle]

I have yet to mention any names as a possible successor to CW. I'll do that when and if he gets his pink slip.

the problem is that he should not be fired unless there is an acceptable replacement in the bag.

After Willingham was fired it was embarrassing every day that we didn't have a coach and every time someone turned us down. That can't happen again.

 

[eamus_catuli]

If you didn't graduate from ND then go watch the NFL with statements like that...you obviously have no idea what we area all about.

My opinion now, you can't fire Weis this year, if you do you loss this years recruits, a lot of potential next year recruits, others will transfer etc...this leaves the cabinets bare all over again...if we fire Weis this year, the program will go back another 7 years. Look what has happened because of all of the hiring and firing since Holtz...

Leave it be until next year, at least you have some stock with players, then you can take the time needed and find the coach that you really want here at ND.

You can't think on emotion here, you have to use logic. It sucks, I am with you all, but ND is not ND anymore, the playing field has leveled, and god forbid why would any coach want to come here anyways...I know I wouldn't, not with all of the BS that surrounds the position.

A may be a noob, but it doesn't take 1,000+ posts to ID you as an arrogant prick. If your post is any indication as to what a Notre Dame education entails, then I think we can put that "academics" issue to rest. True, I may be no better grammatically, but I have the excuse of being a state school drop-out.

I was an apologist until Saturday. Now I say give him the boot. Almost any other D-1 coach could get better results than Charlie. If they do keep him, I wish him the best. I'm a lifer. I really do want him to succeed. But there is no reason to believe we'd witness anything other than the crap-fest we've seen the last two years. Absolutely no passion, poor execution, and dubious play-calling. You can chalk up the three game "improvement" to a softer schedule, nothing more. I mean, is there a stronger indictment against a coach than that the team played worse as the season progressed?

And zooyork, if not being a Notre Dame grad precludes me from having an opinion on the football team, then you sure as shit better not have an opinion on any professional sports team you haven't personally played for. And you better not bitch about any politician who's office you haven't personally held.

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[NDMontana]

the problem is that he should not be fired unless there is an acceptable replacement in the bag.

After Willingham was fired it was embarrassing every day that we didn't have a coach and every time someone turned us down. That can't happen again.

I already posted something along those lines in another thread. I'm loathe to employ the term "use" but we may need to use CW until we find someone more capable. As many have pointed out, there are not top notch candidates beating down the door so firing CW without somebody in place is incredibly short sighted.

I'm in favor of CW, or the administration if he won't, firing Latina. It starts up front and we have one of the most offensive offensive lines I've ever seen.

 

[alleycat9]

i figured out a replacement the other day... well i didnt figure it out it just kinda popped in my head without me thinking about it. probably far fetched and a poor fit and i know he has not done anything in college but could you imagine what it must feel like for freshman to look into those crazy eyes on mike singletary.

 

[kmoose]

i figured out a replacement the other day... well i didnt figure it out it just kinda popped in my head without me thinking about it. probably far fetched and a poor fit and i know he has not done anything in college but could you imagine what it must feel like for freshman to look into those crazy eyes on mike singletary.

The problem with this is............it's not likely to be his eyes that they are looking at. Maybe his cheeks, but not his eyes.

 

[MirageSmack]

Why is it the most anit-Charlie posters these days are guys who just joined in the last month or two? Why is it those "lifelong" fans who couldn't muster a good word when the season looked positive, yet come out in droves when things look bad?

I remember when we lost our first game, everyone wanted Skip Holtz as our new coach. Of course, that was before his team fell off he face of the earth. Then Brian Kelly was/is the soup de jour. But I witnessed his distastefull antics against Louisville a few weeks ago, instructing his team to dance around on the UofL logo - again, almost starting a pre-game fight?!? The last time UofL put 70 points on them, so why be a prick again? He's supposed to be our saviour? It's no better than the MSU flag plant, and we want him on our side?

I have not given up on the coach or the team, though I certainly have given up on many of the fans. I will always give a coach his 5th year to see a class graduate. In hindsight, he needed to coach elsewhere before getting here, as he is learning on the job. He has learned many aspects well, while others he has not. Besides, I'm not so trusting of ND to even hire the right coach to begin with. It's been a long time since they have.

 

[TX_Irish]

the worst record in ND history
losing to an 8loss team for the first time in ND history

only 28 wins


the bags are already packed

 

[TX_Irish]

i figured out a replacement the other day... well i didnt figure it out it just kinda popped in my head without me thinking about it. probably far fetched and a poor fit and i know he has not done anything in college but could you imagine what it must feel like for freshman to look into those crazy eyes on mike singletary.

Ill take that