Final Play

[IrishJayhawk]

I also say what Lou said, "run through the line and slap the goal post and hand the ball to the ref if you want to remove all doubt."

Well...the same can be said for our guys who started to go celebrate.

 

[BGIF]

One thing to remember, though...... forward progress being stopped does not automatically end the play. In a case of forward progress being halted, the play is not over until the whistle is blown. So his forward progress could be stopped, but the play still be live because no whistle was blown. I know that many people have said that the line judge running in from the sideline to mark the ball is evidence that the whistle had blown, and the play was over, but I don't think so. If you look at the replay, the line judge was running in to get a good view of the eventual spot of the ball, but his arms were not extended above his head, signalling the clock operator to stop the clock. This would indicate that the play had NOT been blown dead yet. I don't think the play was a TD, but I think we ought to be objective about it. There *is* an argument for him scoring. But, in the end, I think that argument falls short because there is no conclusive evidence, to overturn the call on the field.

What clock? This game was in OT. There was no clock to stop; it's possession football. SU had run 3 plays after a First and Goal. On Fourth and Goal trailing in overtime there are only two outcomes, Score tying points OR Game Over. There was no Touchdown signal by any member of the PAC 10 Crew. Their decision was appealed and denied due to Insufficient proof.

 

[kmoose]

What clock? This game was in OT. There was no clock to stop; it's possession football. SU had run 3 plays after a First and Goal. On Fourth and Goal trailing in overtime there are only two outcomes, Score tying points OR Game Over. There was no Touchdown signal by any member of the PAC 10 Crew. Their decision was appealed and denied due to Insufficient proof.

If you watch the replay.... the side judge comes running in, looks into the pile for the spot, then waves his hands over his head in a "stop the clock" signal. I don't know what that might mean, in OT with no clock, but if he did it after looking into the pile, then he could have been doing it on his way in, if he already thought the play was dead. But the fact still remains: after looking into the pile, he did NOT signal touchdown. I was not arguing FOR a Stanford TD, I was merely pointing out that there was room for speculation.

 

[BGIF]

If you watch the replay.... the side judge comes running in, looks into the pile for the spot, then waves his hands over his head in a "stop the clock" signal. I don't know what that might mean, in OT with no clock, but if he did it after looking into the pile, then he could have been doing it on his way in, if he already thought the play was dead. But the fact still remains: after looking into the pile, he did NOT signal touchdown. I was not arguing FOR a Stanford TD, I was merely pointing out that there was room for speculation.

On Sunday moning in this thread (Link below) I acknowledged he broke the plane on his second, third, or fourth effort but didn't do so before the whistle in the judgement of the two PAC 12 officials who were in position to make the call. The Umpire was in the end zone in front of the play and the Head Linesman, not the Side Judge ( there was a big "H" on his back) was on the goal line.

I suspect the Time Out signal was given in an attempt at crowd contol, to "freeze" the fans from mobbing the field, so if the field decision was overturned by the Big East Replay Official, SU would be able to try for Extra Point(s) as the game would not have been over. I don't know if this is S.O.P. in OT games but after almost two decades of OT games the refs should have a procedure established to accommodate the Replay Appeal on what could be the last play of the game.



http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/notre-dame-football/75487-final-play-2.html#post790599

 

[Irish93]

To me, the .gif in the 15th post is nearly conclusive proof that there was no TD. You see the RB's body stop when his elbow hits the ground, and then he extends his arms to get the ball across the goal.

If the play was called a TD on the field, I'm not sure that would have been enough to overturn. But, it would have been close. With the call on the field no TD, it is easy to uphold.

 

[Grahambo]

Head official: Review correct to confirm ND stand | College Football

Redding did say that replay officials can use field officials' signals as visual evidence of when a play has been stopped. On one replay angle, the side judge could be seen moving toward the pile of players to spot the ball, just as Taylor made his last reach.

"He's not going to charge in unless he's sure in his mind that the play is over," he said. "That's another indicator that the play is dead."

 

[IrishLax]

Head official: Review correct to confirm ND stand | College Football

Redding did say that replay officials can use field officials' signals as visual evidence of when a play has been stopped. On one replay angle, the side judge could be seen moving toward the pile of players to spot the ball, just as Taylor made his last reach.

"He's not going to charge in unless he's sure in his mind that the play is over," he said. "That's another indicator that the play is dead."

Case closed.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Saying what all non-haters already knew.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Head official: Review correct to confirm ND stand | College Football

Redding did say that replay officials can use field officials' signals as visual evidence of when a play has been stopped. On one replay angle, the side judge could be seen moving toward the pile of players to spot the ball, just as Taylor made his last reach.

"He's not going to charge in unless he's sure in his mind that the play is over," he said. "That's another indicator that the play is dead."

Great find. Thanks!