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[nsisk157]

No Tottenham fan will shed a tear for an aggrieved Liverpool fan.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

No Tottenham fan will shed a tear for an aggrieved Liverpool fan.

You won’t get any tears from me it took a crooked disallowed goal, two terrible red cards and and a freak owngoal to get their second win against Liverpool in like ten years. I thought they were gonna rush the field.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Listen to moment horrified Darren England realises offside blunder

The body in charge of Premier League referees is set to bow to pressure from Liverpool and release the audio of discussions between the match officials who wrongly disallowed Luis Díaz’s goal against Tottenham Hotspur.

www.thetimes.co.uk

This is one hell of a receipt.

I read Liverpool have five red cards in the previous six years and now have four red cards in seven games. Maybe Klopp had drinks with Simeone in Ibiza this past summer?

It's not like people gamble on sports or anything.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Paul Tierney was terrible today for Forrest v Brentford.

The English Premier League is becoming unwatchable for a variety of reasons but their incompetent officiating and the lack of accountability therein is at the top of the list.

 

[nsisk157]

You won’t get any tears from me it took a crooked disallowed goal, two terrible red cards and and a freak owngoal to get their second win against Liverpool in like ten years. I thought they were gonna rush the field.

"a llorar a casa"

 

[NDRock]

Paul Tierney was terrible today for Forrest v Brentford.

The English Premier League is becoming unwatchable for a variety of reasons but their incompetent officiating and the lack of accountability therein is at the top of the list.

I think people would enjoy sports more if they didn’t show replays. People lose their minds over officiating mistakes. The high school games I attend are just as enjoyable without super slow motion replays of every close call.

 

[INLaw]

I think people would enjoy sports more if they didn’t show replays. People lose their minds over officiating mistakes. The high school games I attend are just as enjoyable without super slow motion replays of every close call.

🤯

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

I think people would enjoy sports more if they didn’t show replays. People lose their minds over officiating mistakes. The high school games I attend are just as enjoyable without super slow motion replays of every close call.

So what’s the difference between VAR and instant replay in football? We have had it so long it’s engrained in the game but it didn’t come without growing pains and fine tuning the process. They have had it for only a few years total. I see so many fans against it because they get the calls wrong but our football officials still get things wrong but that is usually down to not having the best angle to overturn or such. Offsides is or it isn’t. Red cards for bad challenges are much more subjective. Context is important. They have a lot of work to do on the process but VAR should be utilized as best as possible to get the right call on the field.

I’d like to see on the field challenge opportunities (red flag or some shit like in the NFL) introduced though…and the VAR office needs to be fully transparent.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

As far as the Liverpool thing this weekend the PGMOL said that what happened was the linesman made a factual error on the field and called offside. That call went to VAR and the VAR thought the goal was awarded but checked for a disallowed goal. When the saw that Diaz was insides thy reported check complete thinking the goal was to be allowed and they didn’t see that the the linesman called offsides. When the ref received the check complete report from VAR he interpreted that as offsides and no goal and awarded a free kick and play on. A few seconds later after play resumed it was apparent the ref received info from someone that the goal should have stood and significant error was made.


So this raises all kinds of questions to me but the big one is was VAR actually watching the game at the time and why did they not know offsides was given. It was clearly shown on the coverage stream which is what VAR was supposed to be watching.

But I saw this last night in the NFL. What’s the solution?

 

[NDRock]

So what’s the difference between VAR and instant replay in football? We have had it so long it’s engrained in the game but it didn’t come without growing pains and fine tuning the process. They have had it for only a few years total. I see so many fans against it because they get the calls wrong but our football officials still get things wrong but that is usually down to not having the best angle to overturn or such. Offsides is or it isn’t. Red cards for bad challenges are much more subjective. Context is important. They have a lot of work to do on the process but VAR should be utilized as best as possible to get the right call on the field.

I’d like to see on the field challenge opportunities (red flag or some shit like in the NFL) introduced though…and the VAR office needs to be fully transparent.

Obviously, replay and VAR are here to stay. My point was, it seems to hinder people’s enjoyment of the game as they expect perfection from officiating and that will never happen.

One thing I’ve noticed with VAR and college football is that fans legitimately think refs are out to help/hurt specific clubs/teams. I don’t generally hear NFL fans thinking the league is trying to screw them. I’m sure there is some of that sentiment though.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

The VAR system was implemented to help get calls right. It isn't doing that. Quite the opposite. Either it has to go entirely or massive reform needs to happen.

 

[NDRock]

The VAR system was implemented to help get calls right. It isn't doing that. Quite the opposite. Either it has to go entirely or massive reform needs to happen.

Do you think it’s working the majority of time and there are a few poor calls that are highlighted or has it actually made more mistakes than it fixes? I mostly just watch the games and stay out of all the controversy. Gives me more time to stress about ND football.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Do you think it’s working the majority of time and there are a few poor calls that are highlighted or has it actually made more mistakes than it fixes? I mostly just watch the games and stay out of all the controversy. Gives me more time to stress about ND football.

It's incredibly inconsistent across the EPL and one official admitted he made a call stand because he didn't want to embarrass the referee on the field because he was his "mate." There are more than "a few poor calls". We're talking about giving and taking away goals, taking people off of the pitch, etc. in critical moments in big matches.

Then when it's over and the points are won or lost, they come out and apologize.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

The VAR system was implemented to help get calls right. It isn't doing that. Quite the opposite. Either it has to go entirely or massive reform needs to happen.

I was listening to Goldbridge this morning and he made a point that i think is valid and its currently being implemented to protect the refs instead of the game. I believe we all think it should be implemented to protect the game from bad officating....not bad officiating from the game.

 

[NDRock]

As far as the Liverpool thing this weekend the PGMOL said that what happened was the linesman made a factual error on the field and called offside. That call went to VAR and the VAR thought the goal was awarded but checked for a disallowed goal. When the saw that Diaz was insides thy reported check complete thinking the goal was to be allowed and they didn’t see that the the linesman called offsides. When the ref received the check complete report from VAR he interpreted that as offsides and no goal and awarded a free kick and play on. A few seconds later after play resumed it was apparent the ref received info from someone that the goal should have stood and significant error was made.


So this raises all kinds of questions to me but the big one is was VAR actually watching the game at the time and why did they not know offsides was given. It was clearly shown on the coverage stream which is what VAR was supposed to be watching.

But I saw this last night in the NFL. What’s the solution?

Honestly, there is no "solution". All you can hope for is to keep tweaking things so they improve but if you're expecting perfection than you will always be disappointed. Part of the problem is we have people tweeting about "The worst missed call in the history of the NFL". That's ridiculous. It's like our political climate, people peddling outrage to get clicks/views. Guess it gives us something more to discuss.

 

[NDRock]

I was listening to Goldbridge this morning and he made a point that i think is valid and its currently being implemented to protect the refs instead of the game. I believe we all think it should be implemented to protect the game from bad officating....not bad officiating from the game.

Good point and probably not unexpected. It's like Freeman "covering" for the 10 men on the field thing. Trying to balance admitting mistakes without throwing people under the bus.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I still have concerns regarding the level of gambling involved on top of talking about a sport that has had corruption issues in the past at the highest levels (FIFA, UEFA). In addition you continue to have owners and investors getting involved that have endless amounts of money.

If you bet on a Diaz goal, Liverpool win or draw, you lose. It's why I don't gamble. I work too hard for my money.

It lends itself to curiosity that could border into paranoia and conspiracy theories for some.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

I still have concerns regarding the level of gambling involved on top of talking about a sport that has had corruption issues in the past at the highest levels (FIFA, UEFA). In addition you continue to have owners and investors getting involved that have endless amounts of money.

If you bet on a Diaz goal, Liverpool win or draw, you lose. It's why I don't gamble. I work too hard for my money.

It lends itself to curiosity that could border into paranoia and conspiracy theories for some.

Yeah like Freeman going for 2 to cover a +6.5 spread this past weekend. lol

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Honestly, there is no "solution". All you can hope for is to keep tweaking things so they improve but if you're expecting perfection than you will always be disappointed. Part of the problem is we have people tweeting about "The worst missed call in the history of the NFL". That's ridiculous. It's like our political climate, people peddling outrage to get clicks/views. Guess it gives us something more to discuss.

Well.... there is something to be said for that hold.... it was egregious. It was blatant and obvious. Why wasnt it called? Who's job is it? Why cant the replay officials intervene? Should they? Does that mean every play has to be reviewed for infractions? I dont think so but things like that? Sure. Did he fail his job? In the end it was a game changing non-call that should have been called. I saw it and was immediately enraged haha and I dont even like either of those teams.

What about the punt that went over the pylon in the Duke game. It wasnt supposed to be reviewable. But the ACC refs reviewed it and overturned it anyway. Duke proceeded to go 75 yards, score a TD and flip the momentum instead of starting from their 1" line. There has to be some one watching the watchdogs there or some mechanism in place to make sure these rules are correctly applied? Why were the ACC ref allowed to overturn that call? Do they not know the rules? If so why not? If th epoint is to have this technology such that calls on the field dont unduly impact the game.... what about non-calls that quite clearly affect a game?

Im not fussing at you... I just cant believe these things are allowed to happen with the technology at our disposal.

 

[NDRock]

Well.... there is something to be said for that hold.... it was egregious. It was blatant and obvious. Why wasnt it called? Who's job is it? Why cant the replay officials intervene? Should they? Does that mean every play has to be reviewed for infractions? I dont think so but things like that? Sure. Did he fail his job? In the end it was a game changing non-call that should have been called. I saw it and was immediately enraged haha and I dont even like either of those teams.

What about the punt that went over the pylon in the Duke game. It wasnt supposed to be reviewable. But the ACC refs reviewed it and overturned it anyway. Duke proceeded to go 75 yards, score a TD and flip the momentum instead of starting from their 1" line. There has to be some one watching the watchdogs there or some mechanism in place to make sure these rules are correctly applied? Why were the ACC ref allowed to overturn that call? Do they not know the rules? If so why not? If th epoint is to have this technology such that calls on the field dont unduly impact the game.... what about non-calls that quite clearly affect a game?

Im not fussing at you... I just cant believe these things are allowed to happen with the technology at our disposal.

You're not fussing at all. Part of the problem with replay is we thought it would solve many problems but we forgot the people running replay can screw up as well, as pointed out in your pylon ruling. We need a VAR for VAR and then who watches the guys watching the guys? Replay works great in tennis and in goal line technology, out of bounds rulings, etc... I think it would be perfect for calling balls and strikes. It's not great for judgement calls, IMO.

Personally, I prefer when refs swallow the whistle at the end of games. Was showing my son Rocket's punt return against Colorado. What a joyous moment it was until you hear Bill Walsh excitingly screaming "I see a flag Dick, I see a flag". Still makes me angry.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

That Liverpool-Tottenham match did nothing to inspire fans that there is integrity and accountability in the system right now. Jones should have gotten a yellow, Diaz should have had a goal, Salah got a yellow for just being alive for all anyone could tell and Jota's first yellow was a Spurs player tripping over his own legs.

We're a little over ten years removed from a match fixing scandal in Italy. We're watching these replays and still frames at home to see A when the officials doing the reviews are seeing B and we're all sitting on our couches left to wonder if there is some kind of agenda for and against certain clubs, specific outcomes for specific matches, etc. Every sport has cameras everywhere now. They should be able to get it right with no shame to the human beings on the field who are seeing everything in real time at tremendous speed because of how the modern athlete moves now. If they get it wrong, make it right. There is no shame in it.

As for Tottenham, it's hard to really say how their supporters should or should not have reacted. They took 3 points against 9 men on an own goal in a match where their opponent had everything already mentioned go against them. Their last trophy was a League Cup in 2008, they just lost one of their best players ever to Bayern and their new manager has them off to a pretty good start. From a neutral point of view, they were beyond fortunate to get all three points, which is stating the obvious.

It really had the makings of a good fixture until the first sending off. Then the circus began.

 

[NDRock]

I still have concerns regarding the level of gambling involved on top of talking about a sport that has had corruption issues in the past at the highest levels (FIFA, UEFA). In addition you continue to have owners and investors getting involved that have endless amounts of money.

If you bet on a Diaz goal, Liverpool win or draw, you lose. It's why I don't gamble. I work too hard for my money.

It lends itself to curiosity that could border into paranoia and conspiracy theories for some.

Agree. Matip's own goal seemed a little match fixy to me.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Agree. Matip's own goal seemed a little match fixy to me.

Fair point. I don't know that anyone has mentioned that because everyone is too busy talking about the referees.

32 and out of contract in June.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Agree. Matip's own goal seemed a little match fixy to me.

You mean having to defend a man down for 40 minutes and then another man down for the last 25 minutes?

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I just don't get how there was a VAR "miscommunication on a goal" but everything was crystal clear when they buzzed the referee to look at a yellow card because it might be a red only for the yellow to be overturned by VAR to a red.

This was also the same crew that let Man United's keeper nuke the guy from Wolves in the box without any kind of foul or card given. Not terribly surprising.

 

[dublinirish]

 

[Fbolt]

No reason to get all blown up over a statue of Suleimani. Come on, take the airfield, err...the field. I mean the pitch.

 

[NDRock]

You mean having to defend a man down for 40 minutes and then another man down for the last 25 minutes?

They’re all in on it.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

If you have been watching the games this year they have been giving yellows out like candy to school children for players asking for cards be issued. It occurred at least twice and Tottenham didn’t get issued either one by the ref.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

😂