Department of Government Efficiency. DOGE.

[Bishop2b5]

It really is almost exclusively a liberal/leftist thing to use violence and property destruction against those they disagree with. Not saying it never happens, but it's very rare to see Conservatives physically assault someone for having a different opinion or even espousing blatantly violent or harmful views, while it's very common to see liberals resort to antifa-type violence, rioting, burning cars, assaulting people, vandalizing property, and so on. When your positions are all based on emotion instead of facts & logic, I guess this is all you have left when proven wrong. They always tell themselves some lie to justify their violent behavior: they're fighting fascism or saving democracy or punching nazis. The so-called party of tolerance and caring is actually the party of violence and hate and hypocrisy.

 

[calvegas04]

It really is almost exclusively a liberal/leftist thing to use violence and property destruction against those they disagree with. Not saying it never happens, but it's very rare to see Conservatives physically assault someone for having a different opinion or even espousing blatantly violent or harmful views, while it's very common to see liberals resort to antifa-type violence, rioting, burning cars, assaulting people, vandalizing property, and so on. When your positions are all based on emotion instead of facts & logic, I guess this is all you have left when proven wrong. They always tell themselves some lie to justify their violent behavior: they're fighting fascism or saving democracy or punching nazis. The so-called party of tolerance and caring is actually the party of violence and hate and hypocrisy.

I agree with most of what you are saying. I wish trump was harder on the antifa people and BLM stuff back in 2020. MAGA also ruined their image with J6.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

It really is almost exclusively a liberal/leftist thing to use violence and property destruction against those they disagree with. Not saying it never happens, but it's very rare to see Conservatives physically assault someone for having a different opinion or even espousing blatantly violent or harmful views,

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Man accused of attacking news reporter, saying, "This is Trump's America"

Patrick Egan, 39, is accused of assaulting reporter Ja'Ronn Alex, a Pacific Islander from Detroit.

www.newsweek.com

Trump suggests a protester may get 'the hell knocked out of her' by her parents

Former President Donald Trump is continuing to use violent language when confronted by protesters at his rallies.

apnews.com

Trump threatens to undo pardons for Jan. 6 investigators, as they push back

The president claimed President Joe Biden’s pardons were void because they were issued through an autopen — something Donald Trump has used before in the past.

www.yahoo.com

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/donald-trump-punch-protester-219655

https://www.npr.org/2024/10/21/nx-s1-5134924/trump-election-2024-kamala-harris-elizabeth-cheney-threat-civil-liberties

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-supporters-call-riots-violent-retribution-after-verdict-2024-05-31/

https://www.axios.com/2022/05/02/trump-call-violence-presidency

 

[Irish#1]

I can promise you, that map Is not correct.

Bondi said there will be more arrests and they believe this is an organized funded assault. Some of those incidents are just idiots jumping on the bandwagon.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

DOGE Makes Its Latest Errors Harder to Find

Elon Musk’s group obscured the details of some new claims on its website, despite promises of transparency. But The Times was still able to detect another batch of mistakes.

www.nytimes.com

 

[BuaConstrictor]

 

[Irish#1]

Tim Walz is trying to plummet Tesla stock, yet the state pension fund includes Tesla stock?

 

[BuaConstrictor]

Tim Walz is trying to plummet Tesla stock, yet the state pension fund includes Tesla stock?

lol it makes up around ~0.2% of the total AUM. The pearl clutching over "his people" is emotional and not based in any sound logic. If the Governor was making policy decisions based off what was good for ~0.2% of the State's AUM it would just be an oligarchy.

 

[TorontoGold]

lmao state of Minnesota owns Exxon stock of FMV of $327M and $297M in United Health! Imagine if he won the election and decimated the MSBI!!!! ***checks notes, oh that's only around 0.4% of the overall holdings.

There's a real identity crisis for MAGA folks, do they want to truly drain the swamp and not be beholden to the corporate class OR do they want to be super corporate friendly and suck the teet of their favorite billionaires.

 

[NDVirginia19]

lmao state of Minnesota owns Exxon stock of FMV of $327M and $297M in United Health! Imagine if he won the election and decimated the MSBI!!!! ***checks notes, oh that's only around 0.4% of the overall holdings.

There's a real identity crisis for MAGA folks, do they want to truly drain the swamp and not be beholden to the corporate class OR do they want to be super corporate friendly and suck the teet of their favorite billionaires.

I agree there is some sort of cognitive dissonance with those two positions. But I think there needs to be a balance struck between being completely beholden to corporations and understanding that we should not cheer on the downfall of a company that employs tens of thousands of Americans because you disagree with the CEO's politics (which to be fair to the left, he has forcefully inserted himself into)

 

[TorontoGold]

I agree there is some sort of cognitive dissonance with those two positions. But I think there needs to be a balance struck between being completely beholden to corporations and understanding that we should not cheer on the downfall of a company that employs tens of thousands of Americans because you disagree with the CEO's politics (which to be fair to the left, he has forcefully inserted himself into)

I think a lot of people are cheering for Musk's downfall and not Tesla's. At a certain point Tesla may need to decide between having Musk and the backlash that comes with it or moving forward without him.

Kind of like being a sports fan who has a ton of apathy for the management and hopes that the team bottoms out so that there can be turnover in staff. I'm still a fan of the team, I just think the ownership/management/coaching are dogshit and need to change. As a Leafs fan this explains most of my fandom of 2006-2014 lol.

 

[NDVirginia19]

I think a lot of people are cheering for Musk's downfall and not Tesla's. At a certain point Tesla may need to decide between having Musk and the backlash that comes with it or moving forward without him.

Kind of like being a sports fan who has a ton of apathy for the management and hopes that the team bottoms out so that there can be turnover in staff. I'm still a fan of the team, I just think the ownership/management/coaching are dogshit and need to change. As a Leafs fan this explains most of my fandom of 2006-2014 lol.

Right. Hurting sales by boycott is a completely acceptable method of changing behavior of a business. We saw it work with Bud Light. Changing behavior by lighting random peoples' vehicles on fire and scratching swastikas into the sides as an indirect method to force people into aversion to a product is not acceptable.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

Bud Light.

Bomb threat made to Budweiser's Van Nuys factory

This threat coincides with other nationwide bomb threats allegedly made to other Budweiser factories this week as the company refuses to cut ties with the transgender influencer. Dylan Mulvaney.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[NDVirginia19]

Bomb threat made to Budweiser's Van Nuys factory

This threat coincides with other nationwide bomb threats allegedly made to other Budweiser factories this week as the company refuses to cut ties with the transgender influencer. Dylan Mulvaney.

www.cbsnews.com

Bomb threats are bad, yes. There was one recorded incidence of this and was deemed non credible by the LAPD with Budweiser claiming other threats had been made, whereas dozens of Teslas have been actually destroyed with even more Teslas vandalized across the country. Both are bad but the Tesla attacks are considerably worse.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

Both are bad but the Tesla attacks are considerably worse.

 

[TorontoGold]

Right. Hurting sales by boycott is a completely acceptable method of changing behavior of a business. We saw it work with Bud Light. Changing behavior by lighting random peoples' vehicles on fire and scratching swastikas into the sides as an indirect method to force people into aversion to a product is not acceptable.

As an aside - I would mention that having anti-BDS laws would run counter to this approach.

 

[NDVirginia19]

As an aside - I would mention that having anti-BDS laws would run counter to this approach.

I am generally against anti-BDS laws, but I think there is an inherent government interest in not doing business with a company or entity who is boycotting an ally, so I wouldn't necessarily say it is a free speech issue. But I think blanket laws banning it are stupid and it should be a case by case basis where the government agency can use that to inform their decision making.

 

[TorontoGold]

I am generally against anti-BDS laws, but I think there is an inherent government interest in not doing business with a company or entity who is boycotting an ally, so I wouldn't necessarily say it is a free speech issue. But I think blanket laws banning it are stupid and it should be a case by case basis where the government agency can use that to inform their decision making.

Well, with Trump's stance on Canada/EU it would seem to run counter with that line of thinking with some companies/people becoming anti-Canada/EU over the perceived "injustice".

 

[Irish#1]

 

[NDVirginia19]

LOL! Elon Musk totally OWNED on this one, keep it up comrades!!!!!

 

[ab2cmiller]

LOL! Elon Musk totally OWNED on this one, keep it up comrades!!!!!

Tesla driver even refused to have her face shown in fear of the Liberal Mob.

 

[GATTACA!]

First of all this is fake.

Second of all Biden didn't make a deal with Tesla. There was a line item added to that budget during the Biden admin which was for armored EVs, it was switched to specifically be Teslas after Trumps transition team took over.

 

[Irish#1]

First of all this is fake.

Second of all Biden didn't make a deal with Tesla. There was a line item added to that budget during the Biden admin which was for armored EVs, it was switched to specifically be Teslas after Trumps transition team took over.

Do you have something showing that? Everything I read said it was all done under Biden.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

Do you have something showing that? Everything I read said it was all done under Biden.

What we know about claims State Department was set to buy $400M in 'armored Teslas'

The department said via email that it has not awarded Tesla — or any manufacturer — a contract to produce armored electric vehicles.

www.snopes.com

 

[GATTACA!]

Do you have something showing that? Everything I read said it was all done under Biden.

I had the order of events mixed up. The list was released in December after the transition team took over which listed $400 millions for armored Teslas. After people noticed it was edited to just be armored EVs. Now that line item has been taken off completely.

https://www.npr.org/2025/02/24/nx-s1-5305269/tesla-state-department-elon-musk-trump

 

[ab2cmiller]

My assumption all along has been that the original process started out as Armored EV's when Biden started the process. When Tesla was the only manufacturer to respond to the original inquiry, it only made sense to change them to Armored Tesla's, because that was the only option available.

 

[NDVirginia19]

I had the order of events mixed up. The list was released in December after the transition team took over which listed $400 millions for armored Teslas. After people noticed it was edited to just be armored EVs. Now that line item has been taken off completely.

https://www.npr.org/2025/02/24/nx-s1-5305269/tesla-state-department-elon-musk-trump

The transition team doesn't have actual ability to produce official documents, no?

 

[GATTACA!]

The transition team doesn't have actual ability to produce official documents, no?

It was just a spreadsheet listing what items the State Department would be looking to procure in 2025. Looking to see what manufacturers wanted to bid on the contracts. That's why it was notable that it specifically listed Tesla.

 

[ChunkyParrot]

It was just a spreadsheet listing what items the State Department would be looking to procure in 2025. Looking to see what manufacturers wanted to bid on the contracts. That's why it was notable that it specifically listed Tesla.

It was also notable that the Biden documentation was ~$400k for the generic vehicle and $3m for logistics, while under Trump it was suddenly $400m for Teslas.

 

[ozzman]

It was also notable that the Biden documentation was ~$400k for the generic vehicle and $3m for logistics, while under Trump it was suddenly $400m for Teslas.

You are correct. Then they tried to hide it...