Dayne or Rees

[tommyIRISH23]

Has BK given any insight to why he put Rees in the 4th quarter? Is there a QB controversy? I think DC should get the start, but I've got a feeling Rees is closing the gap.

 

[ndcoltsfan2010]

I don't know if there is a controversy, but I will say that it was nice seeing someone else take a few snaps. I expect Dayne will start this weekend. Maybe BK was trying to get Rees some PT and was also doing it to let Crist know that he wasn't too pleased with some of the mistakes Dayne had made.

 

[TerryTate]

Has BK given any insight to why he put Reese in the 4th quarter? Is there a QB controversy? I think DC should get the start, but I've got a feeling Reese is closing the gap.

I think it was to both send a message to Crist and to give the backup some experience. Do we want another game like Michigan if Crist goes down?

 

[jmurphy75]

I know Rees is higher on the dept chart but I think that Hendrix will close the gap by the end of the season.

 

[KPENN]

I know Rees is higher on the dept chart but I think that Hendrix will close the gap by the end of the season.

Hendrix probably has, but he won't see the field this year. They've been raving about Hendrix

 

[NDinL.A.]

Has BK given any insight to why he put Reese in the 4th quarter? Is there a QB controversy? I think DC should get the start, but I've got a feeling Reese is closing the gap.

There no QB controversy whatsoever, and BK never eluded to it in any press conference. Rees came in during mop-up duty against an unmotivated defense that was playing out the clock. This is Dayne's team for the rest of the year, no doubt.

If you think Crist is bad, if Rees plays you will see everyone and their mothers crowd the line of scrimmage and force Rees to throw over the top, which he doesn't have the arm strength to do yet. And he knows probably 1/8th of the offense that Crist knows.

Crist needs to play better, no doubt, but it's ludicrous for any Irish fan to think Rees should be starting. Remember, everyone loves the back-up QB...until he plays that is. Crist's ceiling is miles higher, he just needs to start playing more consistent football. He's 8 games into his career learning a brand new system. Give him a chance.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

There no QB controversy whatsoever, and BK never eluded to it in any press conference. Rees came in during mop-up duty against an unmotivated defense that was playing out the clock. This is Dayne's team for the rest of the year, no doubt.

If you think Crist is bad, if Rees plays you will see everyone and their mothers crowd the line of scrimmage and force Rees to throw over the top, which he doesn't have the arm strength to do yet. And he knows probably 1/8th of the offense that Crist knows.

Crist needs to play better, no doubt, but it's ludicrous for any Irish fan to think Rees should be starting. Remember, everyone loves the back-up QB...until he plays that is. Crist's ceiling is miles higher, he just needs to start playing more consistent football. He's 8 games into his career learning a brand new system. Give him a chance.

I tottally agree that this is Dayne's team for the rest of the season. But he does need to speed up his progression, and come more efficient. He has leveled off. He made huge strides from games 1-4 but has kind of hit a plateau.

In your comment about arm strength, haha, Dayne has been known for his cannon, and I found it funny that one of the CBS announcers said that "Rees is in the game because of his arm strength". I was like WTF.
But yeah, I do think Dayne is in the driver seat for the rest of 2010. But, I think his job is not as secure for the future. If he does not progress over these next few games, and over the off season, I believe we are going to see a big push from one of the other guys for 2011.

I just can't put my finger on what Dayne's problems are. It seems like he has trouble reading the defense, but more so of thinking way to much when he decides. He doesn't play with confidence, and it seems more like he second guesses his decisions, and just wants to get rid of the ball. His lack of touch, gunning the ball at receiver whom are 5 yards away..etc it just seems he his TRYING to force everything, rather then just react and go with instincts.

I hate when people say "he just needs to go out and have fun" about a player when they are not doing well because there seems to usually be a bigger issue. But, I really do think that Dayne should just go out and have fun. Stop playing so tight, let emotion run wild, and go enjoy the game for what it is.

 

[Jerry]

They are planning on red shirting Hendrix. So I don't see him playing unless there are some serious injuries to the QB position.

 

[The Polish Irishman]

Hendrix probably has, but he won't see the field this year. They've been raving about Hendrix

Still not sure why everybody is so high on Hendrix. His stats in High School were not comparable to Rees. I think it will be at least until his junior year that Hendrix will be see any time. Rees threw the ball around in High School and looked good on Saturday and yes I understand it was against backups and the prevent, but he made quick decisions and delivered the ball.

 

[ndcoltsfan2010]

I tottally agree that this is Dayne's team for the rest of the season. But he does need to speed up his progression, and come more efficient. He has leveled off. He made huge strides from games 1-4 but has kind of hit a plateau.

In your comment about arm strength, haha, Dayne has been known for his cannon, and I found it funny that one of the CBS announcers said that "Rees is in the game because of his arm strength". I was like WTF.
But yeah, I do think Dayne is in the driver seat for the rest of 2010. But, I think his job is not as secure for the future. If he does not progress over these next few games, and over the off season, I believe we are going to see a big push from one of the other guys for 2011.

I just can't put my finger on what Dayne's problems are. It seems like he has trouble reading the defense, but more so of thinking way to much when he decides. He doesn't play with confidence, and it seems more like he second guesses his decisions, and just wants to get rid of the ball. His lack of touch, gunning the ball at receiver whom are 5 yards away..etc it just seems he his TRYING to force everything, rather then just react and go with instincts.

I hate when people say "he just needs to go out and have fun" about a player when they are not doing well because there seems to usually be a bigger issue. But, I really do think that Dayne should just go out and have fun. Stop playing so tight, let emotion run wild, and go enjoy the game for what it is.

You bring up some valid points but what I most agree with you here is that Dayne is trying to force things too often, and often times he just thinks too much. I think alot of it comes with the new system and his inexperience starting only 8 games thus far. The more he plays the more he will get quicker in his decision making and hopefullymaking more plays.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Still not sure why everybody is so high on Hendrix. His stats in High School were not comparable to Rees. I think it will be at least until his junior year that Hendrix will be see any time. Rees threw the ball around in High School and looked good on Saturday and yes I understand it was against backups and the prevent, but he made quick decisions and delivered the ball.

Good I thought I was the only one who doesn't understand why everyone is so high on Hendrix...I agree with everything you just said.

 

[PADOMERNUT]

Good I thought I was the only one who doesn't understand why everyone is so high on Hendrix...I agree with everything you just said.

I think everyone is high on Hendrix because the coaching staff is high on Hendrix

 

[Zibby32]

It has been the defensive coaches raving about Hendrix. They first team defense facing the Hendrix lead scout teas of the week. It can be completely common for Kelly not to even notice his progress, as he is knee deep in trying to get Crist and Co on the right path...

Anyone else notice how poorly Crist was throwing the ball on Saturday? Every ball had a bit of a tail on it, not many were tight spirals...On top of his bad decision making, I wasnt uprise at all to see Rees get some snaps down the stretch late.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

It has been the defensive coaches raving about Hendrix. They first team defense facing the Hendrix lead scout teas of the week. It can be completely common for Kelly not to even notice his progress, as he is knee deep in trying to get Crist and Co on the right path...

Anyone else notice how poorly Crist was throwing the ball on Saturday? Every ball had a bit of a tail on it, not many were tight spirals...On top of his bad decision making, I wasnt uprise at all to see Rees get some snaps down the stretch late.

And, I think its safe to say that the kid knows how to throw a spiral. He's grippin the ball too tight, and his using his arm not body. Hes gotta relax

 

[Bogtrotter07]

My two cents:

The qb that will play is the one that is the most efficient in the spread, and no one is there yet.

Crist is slow to develop, but fine.

Hendrix has a cannon, a quick release, and his HS stats are irrelevant. He played on a run-first-grind-‘em-out offense. And he played against big-time competition.

Rees appears to be too small, too slow and not have the strength or speed to master the spread, and his HS statistics look good because every tape I saw showed him playing against abhorrent competition. (Really bad). I could be wrong about Rees, I usually am in general, but I don't think so.

No one has spoken about Montana or Massa, both of whom physically and talent wise fit with Brian Kelly as role players.

 

[KPENN]

Still not sure why everybody is so high on Hendrix. His stats in High School were not comparable to Rees. I think it will be at least until his junior year that Hendrix will be see any time. Rees threw the ball around in High School and looked good on Saturday and yes I understand it was against backups and the prevent, but he made quick decisions and delivered the ball.

I'm saying what I've read. I know the staff is really high on him. Even the defensive coaches were saying things about him

 

[Jerry]

Good I thought I was the only one who doesn't understand why everyone is so high on Hendrix...I agree with everything you just said.

It's sort of like people talking about Crist when he was a freshman and Clausen was struggling in '08. If Rees would have came in against UM and thrown a TD pass everybody would be calling for him.

 

[PANDFAN]

Has BK given any insight to why he put Reese in the 4th quarter? Is there a QB controversy? I think DC should get the start, but I've got a feeling Reese is closing the gap.

why run the risk of him getting injured? plus this now gives Reese playing time which can never be bad

I think it was to both send a message to Crist and to give the backup some experience. Do we want another game like Michigan if Crist goes down?

agreed!

 

[Easton Pa ND Fan]

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View from the south end zone...

I tottally agree that this is Dayne's team for the rest of the season. But he does need to speed up his progression, and come more efficient. He has leveled off. He made huge strides from games 1-4 but has kind of hit a plateau.

In your comment about arm strength, haha, Dayne has been known for his cannon, and I found it funny that one of the CBS announcers said that "Rees is in the game because of his arm strength". I was like WTF.
But yeah, I do think Dayne is in the driver seat for the rest of 2010. But, I think his job is not as secure for the future. If he does not progress over these next few games, and over the off season, I believe we are going to see a big push from one of the other guys for 2011.

I just can't put my finger on what Dayne's problems are. It seems like he has trouble reading the defense, but more so of thinking way to much when he decides. He doesn't play with confidence, and it seems more like he second guesses his decisions, and just wants to get rid of the ball. His lack of touch, gunning the ball at receiver whom are 5 yards away..etc it just seems he his TRYING to force everything, rather then just react and go with instincts.

I hate when people say "he just needs to go out and have fun" about a player when they are not doing well because there seems to usually be a bigger issue. But, I really do think that Dayne should just go out and have fun. Stop playing so tight, let emotion run wild, and go enjoy the game for what it is.

When Crist was in the pocket, he seemed to take forever
to throw the ball. Even I, with my corrective eyewear,
could see wide-open receivers. He seemed to be track-
ing only those receivers in traffic. While Navy did
a fair job of coverage, this happened the whole time
he was on the field...Tom

 

[IrishinSyria]

If the coaching staff was that high on Hendrix, he'd be the starting QB. They might see a bright future for him, and I see no reason why he won't be good, but for now he's playing for the scout team.

 

[IrishMoore1]

I think when the D coaches were raving about Hendrix, it was about his performance on the SCOUT team. He still has a long way to go in mastering the actual offense before he can become the starter. This is why Rees is on the two-deep and Hendrix is not.

Rees was early enrolled so got exposed to the offense, whereas Hendrix came in the summer and so never really got a chance to compete for the qb position. He pretty much started behind Rees cuz Rees had been getting reps all spring.

Up till this point, I believe Hendrix has largely been serving a role on the scout team.

 

[Rocket89]

Crist for the rest of 2010.

It's my belief that Hendrix will get some snaps next year on a regular basis.

 

[IrishinSyria]

It's my belief that Hendrix will get some snaps next year on a regular basis.

Are they really that different that it's going to be worth mixing it up? Coaches usually only go with a mix if they have two guys that are very different QBs.

 

[alohagoirish]

I think you guys are " overestimating " the security dayne has with this job. His performance against Navy was nothing short of horrendus, even though he does complete passes ,many times he is missing the "wide open guy" to complete a pass thats shorter to a more covered reciever. Bottom line, Dayne has not made kelly's spread "go".

Kelly was about as mad as i have ever seen a coach at a player after Dayne's second pick against navy. Dayne was playing better in the opening games then he is now,any way you slice that it is "bad news". Regression by your developing QB is absolutely not what you want to see, especially on a team that is going nowhere right now.

Kelly has called this Tulsa game the most important game he has ever coached in. Yes. Crist will start, but mark my words, if dayne lays another egg, throws one more inexcusable pick, or kills another couple of important drives with "gross inaccuracy", Kelly is not going to down with the ship because dayne cannot deliver. He will make a change to rees, rees is a completely underestimated player by everyone but coach Kelly. He has a very quick release, he is very accurate, and he has a very high degree of comfort and understanding with the spread! I hope dayne plays lights out against tulsa, i have absolutely no confidence that will be the case , if he struggles, expect to see Tommy Rees sooner rather then later. Coach kelly has given dayne every opportunity if he blows it again the next man in will be the call and it won't take 20 mistakes, a few very bad plays and decisions and a game we look like we might lose will be enough for Kelly to roll the dise with the guy that likes the spread better then dayne, the much malingned and highly underrated Tommy Rees.

 

[Irish To The Core]

Crist is the guy like it or not. I am not happy about his performance against Navy and my displeasure is mostly based on his decision making. He seemed to be progressing nicely then this turnaround occurred. I just hope he steps it up and truly lights up Tulsa in preparation for a real test against Utah (who barely beat Pitt by the way so they are not that all-powerful). Here is hoping that he steps it up and plays to his potential.

As for the other guys, it is all about development. Hendrix has gotten all the press, but Massa is also a guy who could develop into a real weapon. I like Rees, because he is the dark horse that nobody seems to expect much from...kind of like a guy who wore number 3 back when Dan Devine was the coach. Rees is a gamer and I wouldn't mind seeing him rise up and win the starting job in a couple years. Nate Montana just doesn't have the eligibility left to be in the mix.

 

[IrishinSyria]

I think you guys are " overestimating " the security dayne has with this job. His performance against Navy was nothing short of horrendus, even though he does complete passes ,many times he is missing the "wide open guy" to complete a pass thats shorter to a more covered reciever. Bottom line, Dayne has not made kelly's spread "go".

Kelly was about as mad as i have ever seen a coach at a player after Dayne's second pick against navy. Dayne was playing better in the opening games then he is now,any way you slice that it is "bad news". Regression by your developing QB is absolutely not what you want to see, especially on a team that is going nowhere right now.

Kelly has called this Tulsa game the most important game he has ever coached in. Yes. Crist will start, but mark my words, if dayne lays another egg, throws one more inexcusable pick, or kills another couple of important drives with "gross inaccuracy", Kelly is not going to down with the ship because dayne cannot deliver. He will make a change to rees, rees is a completely underestimated player by everyone but coach Kelly. He has a very quick release, he is very accurate, and he has a very high degree of comfort and understanding with the spread! I hope dayne plays lights out against tulsa, i have absolutely no confidence that will be the case , if he struggles, expect to see Tommy Rees sooner rather then later. Coach kelly has given dayne every opportunity if he blows it again the next man in will be the call and it won't take 20 mistakes, a few very bad plays and decisions and a game we look like we might lose will be enough for Kelly to roll the dise with the guy that likes the spread better then dayne, the much malingned and highly underrated Tommy Rees.

The dude's thrown 6 picks in 8 games playing in a very pass heavy offense. He's completed about 60% of his passes. I agree that there's a lot of room for improvement, but the QB play has not been that bad

 

[CanadianIrish]

I think you guys are " overestimating " the security dayne has with this job. His performance against Navy was nothing short of horrendus, even though he does complete passes ,many times he is missing the "wide open guy" to complete a pass thats shorter to a more covered reciever. Bottom line, Dayne has not made kelly's spread "go".

Kelly was about as mad as i have ever seen a coach at a player after Dayne's second pick against navy. Dayne was playing better in the opening games then he is now,any way you slice that it is "bad news". Regression by your developing QB is absolutely not what you want to see, especially on a team that is going nowhere right now.

Kelly has called this Tulsa game the most important game he has ever coached in. Yes. Crist will start, but mark my words, if dayne lays another egg, throws one more inexcusable pick, or kills another couple of important drives with "gross inaccuracy", Kelly is not going to down with the ship because dayne cannot deliver. He will make a change to rees, rees is a completely underestimated player by everyone but coach Kelly. He has a very quick release, he is very accurate, and he has a very high degree of comfort and understanding with the spread! I hope dayne plays lights out against tulsa, i have absolutely no confidence that will be the case , if he struggles, expect to see Tommy Rees sooner rather then later. Coach kelly has given dayne every opportunity if he blows it again the next man in will be the call and it won't take 20 mistakes, a few very bad plays and decisions and a game we look like we might lose will be enough for Kelly to roll the dise with the guy that likes the spread better then dayne, the much malingned and highly underrated Tommy Rees.

Completely agree with that statement, have argued the same and have had people harp on me endlessly for it. At this point, Dayne is getting worse, not better. His ball simply 'looks' ugly, it's not a tight spiral and as soon as he's moving it's just plain hideous.

Saying he's learning the system would be fine if there was progress - I don't see any. Saying he's got potential would be fine if his throws looked good but he was throwing to the wrong receiver - he isn't the throws look bad and are inaccurate.

Tommy Rees has a way lower ceiling than Dayne, but it just doesn't matter if Dayne isn't going to reach his potential. If he lays an egg against Tulsa I'd expect to see Rees in by the second half. Brian Kelly is simply not going to hang his reputation on a QB he didn't recruit, who doesn't fit his mold.

People need to give up on this idea that Dayne was a 5 star recruit so he is bound to be good eventually. At some point he needs to actually show the potential that made him highly recruited. Right now he just has a cannon and very little else going for him.

 

[Jerry]

Are they really that different that it's going to be worth mixing it up? Coaches usually only go with a mix if they have two guys that are very different QBs.

People say that Hendrix can run a little. But people were saying that about Dayne last year too.

 

[mcbri014]

His last name is Rees. He is not a peanut butter cup!

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

People say that Hendrix can run a little. But people were saying that about Dayne last year too.

Crist tearing his ACL didn't help his speed.

I'm a Hendrix fan. His stats are going to be worse than Rees because Rees played in Illinois while Hendrix played in the GCL in Cincinnati. Are people honestly comparing HS stats from different states? That's ridiculous.

Hendrix has a cannon, is mobile (he was offered by Florida IIRC), and has amazing size. I think he could very well be the starter next year if Dayne doesn't improve. It's a big "if", but I think Hendrix will have a fantastic career here.