Dayne Crist

[weisbank4]

.............is no Jimmy Clausen.....even a 1 legged Jimmy Clausen. In all seriousness, why dis Weis not let him throw the ball? Why did he use him like he was Demetrius Jones? The first series was effective but after that it was stuffed.

I didnt understand any of it. This ND team is awful in the 3rd quarter of games. I think it is a major coaching issue when the 2nd half starts out so poorly in 3 straight games now.

This is the 3rd straight team ND was poised to knock out with 1 more TD and it didnt happen, momentum swung, and the game became a nail biter. Im not comfortable at all with this.

 

[IrishWV]

From what I see the other teams are making halftime adjustments and its taking us way to long to adjust. The wildcat worked great the 1st half of the Purdue game, Purdue made the adustments and stuffed it pretty much the whole second half. Besides us making adjustments right off I think we went to it the whole third quarter and got nothing.

 

[weisbank4]

Its getting ridiculous that we cant come out in the 3rd quarter against these average teams and hit them with any variety of offensive fire power. The tight end is the biggest mismatch we have against anybody and hes getting a couple plays his way per game. He should be hit down the middle twice a quarter on play action. Hes 6 foot 7 for Gods sake and utilize the guy less than we utilize Jonas Gray! I have a lot of serious questions about Weis. Also, why are we always the team with 1 or none timeouts left at games end? Why does everybody we play have 3 timeouts with 3 minutes left and we always have 1 or none? This is gonna cost us a game or 2. This is basic stuff that a high school coach can keep track of.

 

[NDinL.A.]

.............is no Jimmy Clausen.....even a 1 legged Jimmy Clausen. In all seriousness, why dis Weis not let him throw the ball? Why did he use him like he was Demetrius Jones? The first series was effective but after that it was stuffed.

I didnt understand any of it. This ND team is awful in the 3rd quarter of games. I think it is a major coaching issue when the 2nd half starts out so poorly in 3 straight games now.

This is the 3rd straight team ND was poised to knock out with 1 more TD and it didnt happen, momentum swung, and the game became a nail biter. Im not comfortable at all with this.

He's a redshirt freshman that's why. Every practice report I see says that he's not nearly as accurate as JC, and his ball doesn't have the zip that JC does. He came out and had some real zip on the ball, however he'd throw the ball to a player 4 yards in front of him as if he was 25 yards down the field. If you have a 10 point lead on the road and your defense has given up zilch since the 1st drive of the game, and the defense can't stop the run, why force a pass that can switch the game?

You're completely wrong that it only worked for one drive. We scored the 1st 2 times we got the ball w/ Crist, drove it right down their throats. You're wrong about the 3rd quarter too. WE HELD THE BALL FOR 12 MINUTES. What happened was we couldn't capitalize on it. That is what really hurt us. Penalties and Crist getting sacked...and if you have no faith in your QB to wing it down the field yet, that kills. I was pissed too that we didn't let him air it out, but then again he knows 1/4 of the playbook JC does, I guarantee you that (and when I say KNOWS it, I mean, he's comfortable with all the check downs and the ins and outs of the plays. Look at how long it took JC, and he was getting gametime experience that Crist doesn't have).

Just think about all the weapons that were out for that game. What the f*** do you want the coach to do? He had the Purdue defense completely flummoxed, all without 4 starters on the field. That's not easy to do. He frustrates me too sometimes, but I'm not going to bitch about him not dropping 60 points on a team without his top guys. Sorry.

Oh, and look at Rudolph's stats the past 2 games. He's not getting 'a couple of touches'. He's getting used more and more. The problem is, teams also know what a stud he is. EDIT: That was for a different poster.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Its getting ridiculous that we cant come out in the 3rd quarter against these average teams and hit them with any variety of offensive fire power. The tight end is the biggest mismatch we have against anybody and hes getting a couple plays his way per game. He should be hit down the middle twice a quarter on play action. Hes 6 foot 7 for Gods sake and utilize the guy less than we utilize Jonas Gray! I have a lot of serious questions about Weis. Also, why are we always the team with 1 or none timeouts left at games end? Why does everybody we play have 3 timeouts with 3 minutes left and we always have 1 or none? This is gonna cost us a game or 2. This is basic stuff that a high school coach can keep track of.

A variety of offensive firepower??? ND had most of its offensive firepower on the bench, injured!!! What do you want the guy to do? Have you ever coached before? Take 4 out of your top 5 guys out, especially the QB, and see how you do. It won't be pretty. Other games, i can see your point, but this game? Dude, CW will NEVER win with some people.

I agree with you on the T.O. thing. Maddening. It almost cost us this game...

 

[PADOMERNUT]

It is clear that some people either dont watch the game or arent paying close enough attention. But NDinLA, you are right, regardless of what we do, some people just hate Weis, and he will never win with them.

To say we got stuffed in the third quarter, well I just dont know what to say to that. We held the ball almost the entire quarter. We didnt capitalize, but to say we got stuffed, you just either didnt watch the game or you dont know jack shit about football.

 

[TDHeysus]

......... In all seriousness, why dis Weis not let him throw the ball?

because he is the backup.....
when backups come into the game do you see them throw it around? have you watched much football? why would notre dame have their backup throw the ball around when 98percent of all backups who in a limited role dont throw the ball around? simple question if you have watched football for any length of time. Also, CW planned for Crist to be in the game, and developed a package which was heavy on running while crist was in the game. Did you want CW to deviate from his gameplan to let Crist throw the ball in a game that we won without him throwing the ball????? Its never-ending, and never-winning battle for CW. First of all THEY WON, so this convo is a little silly. But, imagine what would have happened if Crist came in and threw picks, the CW haters would be in full swing. As it is now, the CW haters are only in 3/4 swing, Like I said, its a NO-WIN for CW. F*ucked if he does, f*cked if he doesnt.

...This ND team is awful in the 3rd quarter of games. I think it is a major coaching issue when the 2nd half starts out so poorly in 3 straight games now.

this is a legitmate concern, but not a major coaching issue IMO. Not as big as the defense question. If the defense is improved, all of this 3rd qtr stuff is moot.

This is the 3rd straight team ND was poised to knock out with 1 more TD and it didnt happen, momentum swung, and the game became a nail biter. Im not comfortable at all with this.

Who told you they were supposed to be blow outs? Is that what you thought? Is your expectation that Mr. Clausen throws for 300+ every game? AA runs for over 150 every game? tate catches 10+ a game?

Michigan - a loss with some questionable officiating that got nationwide attention
Mich. St. - beat them at ND for the first time since 1993
Purdue - beat them without their top 3 offensive options.

MY expectation is that they win 10 or more games, and get a sugar bowl, or higher bid. They are still on track for that.

are you the type of fan that expects 30point blowouts every week, and NC's every year?

 

[Praytorian]

Not positive, I could probably look it up, but I do think I remember CW saying that he was confident with DC coming in and running the offense. Thats what he did. DC came in and let the offense run.
I agree with alot of the fellow IE posters in saying that CW doesnt change it up at halftime. Still, we won, and I'm happy for that. GO IRISH.

 

[BGIF]

The 3rd Q is ND's lowest scoring Q for the season on average. ND is only averaging 4.25 points/game in the 3rd Q.

Thats 2.25 points/game less than ND's next least point productive Q, the 1st Q where ND scores 6.5 ppg. ND averages 7/game in 4th Q and 13.75 ppg in the 2nd Q.

ND Points/Quarter/Game
1Q 6.5
2Q 13.75
3Q 4.25
4Q 7.0

Opponents Points/Quarter/Game
1Q 6.0
2Q 4.25
3Q 3.25
4Q 5.0

Despite all the hand wringing and coaching incriminations about the "lack of adjustments" in the 3rd Q:

• ND is outscoring Opponents in the 3rd Q.
• The 3rd Q is ND Opponents LEAST PRODUCTIVE scoring period.

 

[WeisWeisBaby]

I thougth Dayne did a great job from what was expected from him. There is going to be a drop off in talent from JC to DC, but this experience is exactly what Dayne needs.

 

[GO IRISH!!!]

I really liked Dayne's key block on Tate's TD run. Everyone talked about the block Riddick threw, but Dayne's was pretty darn good. Put all of his 230 pounds into the defender and sprung Tate. That was more body contact than I have seen some of our defensive starters have this year.

 

[kmoose]

The 3rd Q is ND's lowest scoring Q for the season on average. ND is only averaging 4.25 points/game in the 3rd Q.

Thats 2.25 points/game less than ND's next least point productive Q, the 1st Q where ND scores 6.5 ppg. ND averages 7/game in 4th Q and 13.75 ppg in the 2nd Q.

ND Points/Quarter/Game
1Q 6.5
2Q 13.75
3Q 4.25
4Q 7.0

Opponents Points/Quarter/Game
1Q 6.0
2Q 4.25
3Q 3.25
4Q 5.0

Despite all the hand wringing and coaching incriminations about the "lack of adjustments" in the 3rd Q:

• ND is outscoring Opponents in the 3rd Q.
• The 3rd Q is ND Opponents LEAST PRODUCTIVE scoring period.

Good info, BGIF, but I still have concerns about the halftime adjustments. Maybe other teams are not scoring more, and ND is not scoring less. But it just seems to me that we have been on the verge of beating a team down, morale-wise, in a couple of games this year, only to give them life again, in the 3rd quarter. I readily admit that this might just be my having expectations that are too high, but I just can't shake the feeling. Maybe this is just one of those areas of growth that Weis talks about. Perhaps this team is still learning how to demoralize another team. Whatever it is, I hope it swings in ND's favor soon.

 

[weisbank4]

NDinLA you seem to me to be looking at this years ND team with rose colored glasses. If you want to say Im a Weis hater, thats off base, my posting name is from the day ND hired Weis, Ive been around for a while just not here. I was a huge Weis supporter and it has dwindled each year.

The new standard from Notre Dame fans is shocking to me. Are we really to the point of defending last second wins on 4th down against Purdue? This isnt Drew Brees Purdue, this is 1-3 lost to Northern Purdue.

Purdue used to be a game where we polished our bayonets for the real team to come.The last second MSU win that was a 20 yard wide open receiver overthrown by 2 feet from losing win was also a warning sign. They lost to Central Mich.

These are world class recruits all around. WTF is the deal with this? Why cant we manage timeouts? Why all the penalties?

I get that Floyd was out and they chose to sit Armando Allen. What you are forgetting is these are 2 areas where ND is about 5 deep with 4 and 5 star talent. Look at the depth chart, these guys couldve went to school anywhere. The injury thing is maybe an excuse versus USC but NOT Purdue. Are you kidding me?

I dont need stats to tell me what my eyes see. I see teams come out in the second half and adjust to ND. Thats the bottom line. Then ND falls on the number 1 QB recruit in 10 years to bail them out and thank God it has worked twice or Weis is already gone.

 

[kmoose]

Purdue used to be a game where we polished our bayonets for the real team to come.

Not sure where you have been for the last dozen or so years, or if you actually watched any teams other than ND in that time period. But Purdue hasn't been a doormat since they hired a guy named Joe Tiller, in 1997, who brought the spread offense to the Big Ten. What's happened to ND fans' expectations? The more football savvy fans have adjusted their expectations to the changes in the game. The ones who just want to follow "#1" are still stuck in the 60s.

 

[weisbank4]

"are you the type of fan that expects 30point blowouts every week, and NC's every year? "


Let me ask YOU......is this what Florida fans expect? USC? Texas?

This is the sad reality of Notre Dame these days. Im 34 fricken years old and when I was a kid the answer to the above question didnt need an answer nor did it even need to be asked because it was unequivacly, undoubtedly, YES.

This bullshit of trying to piece meal 9 or 10 wins from the pile of shit schedule we have is really laughable. Just toss out USC and Michigan, maybe we trip up at Stanford and boom we are 9-3 and the magical 9 wins will get us in the Sugar Bowl to get our doors blown off by LSU.

What a bunch of bullshit.

 

[weisbank4]

"What's happened to ND fans' expectations? The more football savvy fans have adjusted their expectations to the changes in the game. The ones who just want to follow "#1" are still stuck in the 60s. "


Oh really? So ND fans who expected NC's every year back in the 90's were stuck in the 60's? Because I can vouch as a fan who's dad went to every home game of the 90's that we were pretty certain that we would be in a NC hunt every single year.

But I could see "adjusting" expectations. After all they only have their own football network, a national following, national recruiting base, more myth and legend than the story of "300", and a 20 million dollar coach. Yes, forgive me for not "adjusting"

 

[Junkhead]

I agree that losing has lowered expectations for a lot of people. They forget what it's like to be a powerhouse. Back to Dayne, he did fine, but why go for it on 4th and 10 when he hasn't been allowed to throw really at all? That's what I didn't get.

 

[BGIF]

Dayne Crist

.............is no Jimmy Clausen.....even a 1 legged Jimmy Clausen. In all seriousness, why dis Weis not let him throw the ball? Why did he use him like he was Demetrius Jones? The first series was effective but after that it was stuffed.

...

You obviously did not watch the ND v PU game nor the ND v GT game or your just trolling. A comparison of Dayne's Crist's play in the PU game to Demetrius Jones' play in the GT game is inane at the least.

In all seriousness, why dis (sic) Weis not let him throw the ball

Crist threw 40% of the ND passes in his first serious PT.

Why did he use him like he was Demetrius Jones

What did Demetrius do against GT except lay the ball on the carpet?

Did Jones rush successfully?
NO, he carried 12 times for 28 yds or 2.3 ypc. Crist rushed only 4 times for 16 yds for a a drive perserving 4.0 ypc.

Did Jones pass successfully?
NO, he was 1/3 for 4 yds or 1.3 yds/attempt. Crist was 5/10 for 45 yds for a drive perserving 4.5 yds/attempt

Did Jones have ball security problems?
Yes, he fumbled twice. The first was on ND's opening drive giving the ball to GT on ND's 32 which resulted in a GT FG. Jones second fumble was on the opening drive of the 2nd Q on ND's 44. It lead to another GT FG. Crist didn't have a turnover at PU.

Did Jones move the team?
NO!

Jones started and "led" 4 drives averaging less than 4 plays/drive, 4.3 yds/drive, and 0.5 TURNOVERS/Drive!

1) 5 plays for 2 yards ended in a FUMBLE
2) 3 plays for 6 yards ended in a PUNT
3) 3 plays for 7 yards ended in a PUNT
4) 8 plays for 29 yards ended in a FUMBLE


Crist came off the bench in the 2nd Q with ND trailing 7-3. He drove the field downfield twice in time consuming drives to put ND up 17-7. He started the 3rd Q and keep the ball on 2 drives for 11:40, almost 12 minutes of ball control keeping the injured Clausen OFF THE FIELD.

1) 9 plays 73 yds ended in TD
2) 7 plays 62 yds ended in TD
3) 8 plays 28 yd ended in PUNT
4) 13 plays 42 yds ended in LOSS ON DOWNS
5) 3 plays -2 yds ended in PUNT

 

[NDinL.A.]

NDinLA you seem to me to be looking at this years ND team with rose colored glasses. If you want to say Im a Weis hater, thats off base, my posting name is from the day ND hired Weis, Ive been around for a while just not here. I was a huge Weis supporter and it has dwindled each year.

The new standard from Notre Dame fans is shocking to me. Are we really to the point of defending last second wins on 4th down against Purdue? This isnt Drew Brees Purdue, this is 1-3 lost to Northern Purdue.

Purdue used to be a game where we polished our bayonets for the real team to come.The last second MSU win that was a 20 yard wide open receiver overthrown by 2 feet from losing win was also a warning sign. They lost to Central Mich.

These are world class recruits all around. WTF is the deal with this? Why cant we manage timeouts? Why all the penalties?

I get that Floyd was out and they chose to sit Armando Allen. What you are forgetting is these are 2 areas where ND is about 5 deep with 4 and 5 star talent. Look at the depth chart, these guys couldve went to school anywhere. The injury thing is maybe an excuse versus USC but NOT Purdue. Are you kidding me?

I dont need stats to tell me what my eyes see. I see teams come out in the second half and adjust to ND. Thats the bottom line. Then ND falls on the number 1 QB recruit in 10 years to bail them out and thank God it has worked twice or Weis is already gone.

Dude, what did I say that wasn't true? Go look at your first post. You straight-out lied or just don't watch enough football. You said the 1st series with Crist was effective but that was it. You are completely wrong there. Go watch the game again, or look at the drive chart. Unless a TD isn't effective for you, I don't know what to tell you. If me telling you that a TD is effective means that I'm looking through rose-colored glasses, then consider me a rose b/c I think that's damn effective. Just not effective enough for you.

And same thing for your "I want a variety of offensive firepower out of the gate in the 3rd quarter!!!" You sound like a petulant kid with that crap. Dude, do you NOT understand how hard it is to do that when 80% of the offense is sitting on the bench? Stop being a spoiled brat and look at it objectively. It's not that easy to do. Just because a kid was a 5 star QB in h.s. doesn't mean he walks into college a 5 star college QB in his first true playing time. It just doesn't work that way, even if you demand it. Our offense was dominating the first 3 games, with everyone healthy. We lost almost all of our firepower, and still put up 24 points on the road. But still, not good enough for the spoiled brats out there.

You want to talk about USC? Look at the handcuffs the USC program has put on their QB's. It's called having a clue.

You want to talk about schedules? Get a clue before you come in with that crap. Go look at Phil Steele's strength of schedule list BEFORE the season. We were 34th. Waaaaaaayyyyy ahead of teams like Bama and Penn St, and barely behind FL and TX. And the schedule keeps improving as the weeks go by.

You talk about teams we've played who barely beat other weak teams. Why don't you also include how Purdue barely lost to Oregon, a top 15 team? Well, because that would defeat the purpose of your rant.

You started this thread about Crist. That's why I responded. It's clear that you don't get how difficult the QB position is. So now because you lost that argument you're going off on a tangent about Weis. That's fine, but there are a million fire Weis threads out there. Just post it there...

 

[notredomer23]

not to take away from the discussion but weisbank were you banned here 2 years ago or are you a different weis bank

 

[kmoose]

"What's happened to ND fans' expectations? The more football savvy fans have adjusted their expectations to the changes in the game. The ones who just want to follow "#1" are still stuck in the 60s. "


Oh really? So ND fans who expected NC's every year back in the 90's were stuck in the 60's? Because I can vouch as a fan who's dad went to every home game of the 90's that we were pretty certain that we would be in a NC hunt every single year.

But I could see "adjusting" expectations. After all they only have their own football network, a national following, national recruiting base, more myth and legend than the story of "300", and a 20 million dollar coach. Yes, forgive me for not "adjusting"

I stand corrected. Those who just want to follow #1 are still stuck in the 90s, apparently. My bad

 

[Riddickulous]

Dayne Crist came out and performed admirably, especially considering he did his job. Dayne wasn't allowed to throw. He didn't need to. When Golden Tate is getting seven yards a carry and Robert Hughes is plowing his way through the defense like a man possessed, Crist doesn't need to throw.

How can you say the wildcat stopped working in the third quarter? We were still getting some big gains and we crossed midfield twice.

Unfortunately, I get too frustrated during (and, as you've obviously seen, after) games to see things the way they are.

 

[GO IRISH!!!]

Dude, what did I say that wasn't true? Go look at your first post. You straight-out lied or just don't watch enough football. You said the 1st series with Crist was effective but that was it. You are completely wrong there. Go watch the game again, or look at the drive chart. Unless a TD isn't effective for you, I don't know what to tell you. If me telling you that a TD is effective means that I'm looking through rose-colored glasses, then consider me a rose b/c I think that's damn effective. Just not effective enough for you.

And same thing for your "I want a variety of offensive firepower out of the gate in the 3rd quarter!!!" You sound like a petulant kid with that crap. Dude, do you NOT understand how hard it is to do that when 80% of the offense is sitting on the bench? Stop being a spoiled brat and look at it objectively. It's not that easy to do. Just because a kid was a 5 star QB in h.s. doesn't mean he walks into college a 5 star college QB in his first true playing time. It just doesn't work that way, even if you demand it. Our offense was dominating the first 3 games, with everyone healthy. We lost almost all of our firepower, and still put up 24 points on the road. But still, not good enough for the spoiled brats out there.

You want to talk about USC? Look at the handcuffs the USC program has put on their QB's. It's called having a clue.

You want to talk about schedules? Get a clue before you come in with that crap. Go look at Phil Steele's strength of schedule list BEFORE the season. We were 34th. Waaaaaaayyyyy ahead of teams like Bama and Penn St, and barely behind FL and TX. And the schedule keeps improving as the weeks go by.

You talk about teams we've played who barely beat other weak teams. Why don't you also include how Purdue barely lost to Oregon, a top 15 team? Well, because that would defeat the purpose of your rant.

You started this thread about Crist. That's why I responded. It's clear that you don't get how difficult the QB position is. So now because you lost that argument you're going off on a tangent about Weis. That's fine, but there are a million fire Weis threads out there. Just post it there...

Ahhhhhh...I needed that today! Reps!!!

 

[weisbank4]

Lol - NDs schedule is ranked 34th blah blah.

Seriously? I always see people resort to these schedule rankings as a crutch, lets face the actual reality of it. Notre Dame basically plays USC and I think Stanford has a solid team this year. Michigan is a little surprising but after all is said and done I think they lose to the decent teams from the big 10 upcoming.

Crist threw 10 passes in the game, about 3 of them were past the line of scrimmage. Lets not play the "he threw 40% blah blah" we all saw the game, he played almost 3/4ths of the game and threw 16 less passes than Clausen did. If you want to fool your own eyes then go for it, he basically wasnt allowed to throw the ball. Thats all I was asking - why?

Then you go into into the Demetrius Jones vs Crist thing pull out numbers etc etc etc. All im saying is that Crist ran a "spread" or "wildcat" which was what Jones did in that 30 minutes of a ND career. Simple analogy, dont read too much into it.

Lastly, if you think the way ND has played thus far meets or exceeds expectations had for this year - all the power to you. Thats fine. All I know is that im seeing the same team from last year. They were 7-6. I dont see us beating USC, dont see winning at Pitt, dont see winning at Stanford. I think Jake Locker poses a massive problem for ND Saturday and he is basically a "big boy" Tate Forcier.

You can shred me and gang up on me for not drinking it all down but I see what I see.

 

[WabashFalcon]

Lol - NDs schedule is ranked 34th blah blah.

Seriously? I always see people resort to these schedule rankings as a crutch, lets face the actual reality of it. Notre Dame basically plays USC and I think Stanford has a solid team this year. Michigan is a little surprising but after all is said and done I think they lose to the decent teams from the big 10 upcoming.

Crist threw 10 passes in the game, about 3 of them were past the line of scrimmage. Lets not play the "he threw 40% blah blah" we all saw the game, he played almost 3/4ths of the game and threw 16 less passes than Clausen did. If you want to fool your own eyes then go for it, he basically wasnt allowed to throw the ball. Thats all I was asking - why?

Then you go into into the Demetrius Jones vs Crist thing pull out numbers etc etc etc. All im saying is that Crist ran a "spread" or "wildcat" which was what Jones did in that 30 minutes of a ND career. Simple analogy, dont read too much into it.

Lastly, if you think the way ND has played thus far meets or exceeds expectations had for this year - all the power to you. Thats fine. All I know is that im seeing the same team from last year. They were 7-6. I dont see us beating USC, dont see winning at Pitt, dont see winning at Stanford. I think Jake Locker poses a massive problem for ND Saturday and he is basically a "big boy" Tate Forcier.

You can shred me and gang up on me for not drinking it all down but I see what I see.

Banhammer?

 

[GO IRISH!!!]

Banhammer?

Use your troll-smashing club Wabash!

 

[GDomer09]

Lol - NDs schedule is ranked 34th blah blah.

Seriously? I always see people resort to these schedule rankings as a crutch, lets face the actual reality of it. Notre Dame basically plays USC and I think Stanford has a solid team this year. Michigan is a little surprising but after all is said and done I think they lose to the decent teams from the big 10 upcoming.

Crist threw 10 passes in the game, about 3 of them were past the line of scrimmage. Lets not play the "he threw 40% blah blah" we all saw the game, he played almost 3/4ths of the game and threw 16 less passes than Clausen did. If you want to fool your own eyes then go for it, he basically wasnt allowed to throw the ball. Thats all I was asking - why?

Then you go into into the Demetrius Jones vs Crist thing pull out numbers etc etc etc. All im saying is that Crist ran a "spread" or "wildcat" which was what Jones did in that 30 minutes of a ND career. Simple analogy, dont read too much into it.

Lastly, if you think the way ND has played thus far meets or exceeds expectations had for this year - all the power to you. Thats fine. All I know is that im seeing the same team from last year. They were 7-6. I dont see us beating USC, dont see winning at Pitt, dont see winning at Stanford. I think Jake Locker poses a massive problem for ND Saturday and he is basically a "big boy" Tate Forcier.

You can shred me and gang up on me for not drinking it all down but I see what I see.

You don't see us winning at Pitt or Stanford???????? I don't see you winning at life!!!!!!

 

[NeuteredDoomer]

My "hope" is that ND wins them all, all the time, and I will not become a dangerous person anymore after a loss.

My "expectation" for this team is based on the last 8 or so years where I saw and predicted a nosedive after Ty arrived. I sat through every game of the 07 season, and what happened is what I expected. I expected what happened last year. I expected an improvement this year, and I see it.

I don't listen to hype. I have said before that this team for the last few years bears an uncanny resemblance to a real life sporting situation I witnessed. Sorry to say, but I think next year is the year.

I "hope" ND goes 11-1 this year. I just don't see it happening. I think what CW did against PU was fantastic.. PU didn't know WTF was next.

 

[adsnorri]

Hate to say it but weis bank is pretty close to 100% accurate.

We held the ball because we were scared, simply. And yes 5 star recruits come out of high school and play and do well in some cases if the o-line is solid which ours is. Hinze Matt Barkley who went into the horseshoe and won the game in the last drive. Our coach did not let him throw some passes, even safe to build his confidence. It is not that hard to throw a drag route or slant to our receivers against a horrible purdue defense. Come on guys. And with the expectations talk, losers adjust their expectations to avoid failure not winners. Notre dame has gotten the same quality of players as some of the top programs in recent years but just haven't produced wins. we held the ball for 12 min. to avoid any mistakes. Don't know about you but I don't play anything not to lose, i play to win. Now i know some are going to say do you coach, have you threw a college pass, have you blah blah? Notre dame did not have 80% of it's offense on the bench. 3 players were missing. The qb is the most important of course but the oline should be able to open holes for any running back on our roster and block for any qb to throw a good pass, especially against horrible purdue.

Charlie is afriad right now for his job which i understand but playing conservatively isn't going to continue to get the job done. Dayne knows enough of the offense now to win games.

Not lookin to make enemies, just stating opinion. The good thing is that were all nd fans and can talk wisely. And sometimes people can agree to disagree.

 

[TDHeysus]

Oh really? So ND fans who expected NC's every year back in the 90's were stuck in the 60's?

its 2009, get with the times and open your eyes. Ronald Reagan isnt the president anymore....are you still expecting reagonomics to bail you out too??? The president has changed, the economy has changed, and Notre Dame has changed; but you havent. are you still wearing OP shorts, Vans slip-ons, playing hacky sack and listening to Lynard Skynard???

...But I could see "adjusting" expectations. After all they only have their own football network....

are you hating on ND for pimping NBC? Does playing on NBC somehow translate to wins on the field?? please explain....by the way, expectations werent adjusted because of ND's contract with NBC, it changed from all the boneheaded coaching hiring/firings that left this program in shambles. But I dont have to tell you that...

...a national following...

its a love/hate relationship, much like the Yankees, it us against the world. not that nationally we are the most popular I would make the argument that there is more ND hate to deal with nationally, then any other program.

.....national recruiting base.....

from 1996 to till 2005 where was this recruiting base??? this is just coming back, it left when Holtz left. Weis is the only coach since Holtz to rebuild our recruiting base, but you knew that already.

....more myth and legend.....

this is exactly what weis is getting rid of, no more chasing ND myths and legends(leave that shit to the Davie's and Willingham's of the world). Weis is cutting out his own legacy, and it has nothing to do with the past. Have you even paid attention in the last 5 years?

Yes, forgive me for not "adjusting"

No reason to ask for forgiveness, if you want to live in the 80's by all means, knock yourself out. But dont bitch, moan, and complain that Holtz isnt the coach, Rice isnt the QB, and Chris Zorich is not the NG.

its the 21st century, get with it or get left behind.