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[BuaConstrictor]

I guess extermination and eradication are different words so you're technically correct, but they're synonymous

One would have to ask...how does one go about the eradication of something without the extermination of it.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

One would have to ask...how does one go about the eradication of something without the extermination of it.

For some reason I don't think that how that works. But I'm sure someone on the right will enlighten me

 

[Bishop2b5]

Here's where you lose credibility by intentionally misrepresenting someone's point. There's a vast difference between getting rid of a false idea or ideology, and getting rid of the people promoting or following it. You know that, I know that, we all know that. To equate the two is intellectually dishonest and a blatant attempt to misrepresent the other side's position.

The Right is not calling for eradicating trans people. They're calling for eradicating the demonstrably false idea that you can change your gender, promoting this nonsense to little children, using taxpayer money to fund gender reassignment surgery, and so on. That is NOT an attempt to put trans people to death, send them to concentration camps, or anything remotely related to eradicating them. I realize this is a personal issue for you, but being dishonest and misrepresenting others' stance is unacceptable and hurts your cause in the long run.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

There's a vast difference between getting rid of a false idea or ideology, and getting rid of the people promoting or following it.

A false ideology?

The Right is not calling for eradicating trans people.

The guy in the video is.

"“For the good of society … transgenderism must be eradicated from public life entirely — the whole preposterous ideology, at every level.”"

Here is the quote at issue. Explain then how you eradicate transgenderism entirely from public life without eradicating the people that practice it in public life.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Here's where you lose credibility by intentionally misrepresenting someone's point. There's a vast difference between getting rid of a false idea or ideology, and getting rid of the people promoting or following it. You know that, I know that, we all know that. To equate the two is intellectually dishonest and a blatant attempt to misrepresent the other side's position.

The Right is not calling for eradicating trans people. They're calling for eradicating the demonstrably false idea that you can change your gender, promoting this nonsense to little children, using taxpayer money to fund gender reassignment surgery, and so on. That is NOT an attempt to put trans people to death, send them to concentration camps, or anything remotely related to eradicating them. I realize this is a personal issue for you, but being dishonest and misrepresenting others' stance is unacceptable and hurts your cause in the long run.

I not being dishonest in the slightest. Passing laws to cut off healthcare, making it harder and harder for us to exist in public is what is happening. I know you either like this idea or don't want to admit is happening. But it is one hundred percent happening

 

[NDVirginia19]

Again, he is not calling for PEOPLE to be killed. He is calling for the ideology of transgenderism to be eliminated.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

Again, he is not calling for PEOPLE to be killed. He is calling for the ideology of transgenderism to be eliminated.

"“For the good of society … transgenderism must be eradicated from public life entirely — the whole preposterous ideology, at every level.”"

Here is the quote at issue. Explain then how you eradicate transgenderism entirely from public life without eradicating the people that practice it in public life.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Again, he is not calling for PEOPLE to be killed. He is calling for the ideology of transgenderism to be eliminated.

So what's the plan for transgender people then?

 

[NDVirginia19]

So what's the plan for transgender people then?

I think adults would be free to do whatever they wish with their bodies, but the cultural affirmation and celebration would no longer exist.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

I think

You think? Seems very reassuring.

but the cultural affirmation and celebration would no longer exist.

So free expression is now not allowed?

It's interesting that you are trying to carve out niches when the quotes explicitly says:

"“For the good of society … transgenderism must be eradicated from public life entirely — the whole preposterous ideology, at every level.”"
So..if it's wiped out entirely...at every level...how would people be allowed to do with their bodies what they want? They'd eventually have to exist in public.
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"“For the good of society … transgenderism must be eradicated from public life entirely — the whole preposterous ideology, at every level.”"

Here is the quote at issue. Explain then how you eradicate transgenderism entirely from public life without eradicating the people that practice it in public life.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

So what's the plan for transgender people then?

Hey. Don't stress or worry. He "thinks" you should be able to exist with no issue despite calls for your lifestyle to be eradicated entirely from public from all levels of society.

 

[NDVirginia19]

You think? Seems very reassuring.


So free expression is now not allowed?

It's interesting that you are trying to carve out niches when the quotes explicitly says:

"“For the good of society … transgenderism must be eradicated from public life entirely — the whole preposterous ideology, at every level.”"
So..if it's wiped out entirely...at every level...how would people be allowed to do with their bodies what they want? They'd eventually have to exist in public.
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"“For the good of society … transgenderism must be eradicated from public life entirely — the whole preposterous ideology, at every level.”"

Here is the quote at issue. Explain then how you eradicate transgenderism entirely from public life without eradicating the people that practice it in public life.

Is Knowles proposing legislation to do this? He's discussing a cultural movement, not a legal one in that instance, with legal action to protect children from the social contagion.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

I think adults would be free to do whatever they wish with their bodies, but the cultural affirmation and celebration would no longer exist.

I don't know what you mean by celebration. So I would like you to elaborate on that please.

Cultural affirmation should stop how exactly?

I'm just trying to understand your stance.

And I want to reiterate this again so people don't misconstrue my stance.

I don't believe trans kids should have unfettered access to puberty blockers, hormones and definitely not surgeries, but I also don't believe it should be banned. The decision should be left to parents and doctors.

I also don't believe every trans person should be about to compete in sports, but I also don't believe their should be blanket bans.

 

[Bishop2b5]

A false ideology?


The guy in the video is.

"“For the good of society … transgenderism must be eradicated from public life entirely — the whole preposterous ideology, at every level.”"

Here is the quote at issue. Explain then how you eradicate transgenderism entirely from public life without eradicating the people that practice it in public life.

If you oppose some stance or view or ideology, are you advocating for the elimination or killing of the people who support it or believe in it? I'm going to assume that unless you're a psychopath, you don't. I'm sure you're opposed to racism and would like to eradicate it. Does that mean you want to eradicate everyone who is racist, or do you just want to change their behavior and views? Eliminating a bad, harmful, completely false idea from being taught to children and pushed in our culture is not remotely close to wanting to eradicate or kill those who believe in it, promote it, or have fallen prey to it.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Is Knowles proposing legislation to do this? He's discussing a cultural movement, not a legal one in that instance, with legal action to protect children from the social contagion.

It's not a social contagion it's existed for thousands of years. Medicine has finally caught up to it

 

[NDVirginia19]

I don't know what you mean by celebration. So I would like you to elaborate on that please.

Cultural affirmation should stop how exactly?

I'm just trying to understand your stance.

And I want to reiterate this again so people don't misconstrue my stance.

I don't believe trans kids should have unfettered access to puberty blockers, hormones and definitely not surgeries, but I also don't believe it should be banned. The decision should be left to parents and doctors.

I also don't believe every trans person should be about to compete in sports, but I also don't believe their should be blanket bans.

I think celebration would be the idea that Caitlyn Jenner or Dylan Mulvaney winning woman of the year awards would be an example.

There are plenty of things that we take out of the hands of medical professionals and adults when it comes to children. We don't let children smoke cigarettes as an example, even if their parents think they should be able to. The medical evidence that hormonal therapy for gender affirmation is bad is considerably more concrete than the evidence that it is beneficial for children. I don't think we should have legality for life altering hormonal therapy for children when the medical community is divided on its effects.

 

[NDVirginia19]

It's not a social contagion it's existed for thousands of years. Medicine has finally caught up to it

The concept of gender dysphoria itself is not a social contagion, but the insanely rapid uptick in cases in youth over the past decade is evidence of social contagion to a degree. Something like 80+% of kids who came out as transgender had friends who came out as transgender around the same time from some studies

 

[ColoradoIrish]

I think celebration would be the idea that Caitlyn Jenner or Dylan Mulvaney winning woman of the year awards would be an example.

There are plenty of things that we take out of the hands of medical professionals and adults when it comes to children. We don't let children smoke cigarettes as an example, even if their parents think they should be able to. The medical evidence that hormonal therapy for gender affirmation is bad is considerably more concrete than the evidence that it is beneficial for children. I don't think we should have legality for life altering hormonal therapy for children when the medical community is divided on its effects.

Please show me any concrete medical evidence that shows it bad? I haven't seen that. Again I don't think think kids should just be given hormones. And all studies show that it doesn't happen. Sure there are one offs but I'd rather us reign in the bad actors.

If we care about protecting kids, let's ban contact sports as well, as that has shown to be much more dangerous.

And agreed on Caitlyn Jenner, Dylan Mulvaney thing, but really who gives a shit? I didn't even know that was a thing. We all know women of the year, person of the year awards mean jack shit

 

[FDNYIrish1]

I not being dishonest in the slightest. Passing laws to cut off healthcare, making it harder and harder for us to exist in public is what is happening. I know you either like this idea or don't want to admit is happening. But it is one hundred percent happening

Probably means very little as I stay out of these threads for the most part, but know most of us don’t think this and want you to live your life however you choose. God bless.

 

[NDVirginia19]

Please show me any concrete medical evidence that shows it bad? I haven't seen that. Again I don't think think kids should just be given hormones. And all studies show that it doesn't happen. Sure there are one offs but I'd rather us reign in the bad actors.

The Effect of Puberty Blockers on the Accrual of Bone Mass

After two years, up to a third of children have abnormally low bone density

www.segm.org

 

[BuaConstrictor]

Is Knowles proposing legislation to do this?

This is such a chicken shit question. If Knowles is advocating the eradication of it entirely from public life...at all levels How else would he go about achieving this?

Do you think he would oppose legislation to these ends?

from the social contagion.

Welp, you're disgusting.

If you oppose some stance or view or ideology, are you advocating for the elimination or killing of the people who support it or believe in it?

Hi. Knowles isn't simply "opposing" a stance or an ideology. He literally is calling for the eradication of it from all public life at all levels. That's a stark contrast with someone disagreeing with or opposing a specific tenet of foreign policy etc.

Nice try.

I highly doubt that is someone was calling for the eradication of all Christian values from the entirety of public life and the eradication of that ideology from society at all levels, you'd feel safe as a human being choosing to practice that faith/life style and would feel more than uneasy about your day to day existence.

I'm sure you're opposed to racism and would like to eradicate it. Does that mean you want to eradicate everyone who is racist,

I mean..don't threaten me with a good time.

Something like 80+% of kids who came out as transgender had friends who came out as transgender around the same time from some studies

Let's see them studies

 

[Bishop2b5]

I not being dishonest in the slightest. Passing laws to cut off healthcare, making it harder and harder for us to exist in public is what is happening. I know you either like this idea or don't want to admit is happening. But it is one hundred percent happening

You are, though. Very much so. Equating ending a policy or the promotion of an idea or agenda, eradicating a false concept, etc., etc., to wanting to kill those who believe in or support those ideas is not honest nor accurate, and you know it. Nobody has taken away any healthcare from trans people that the rest of us don't have. We're just not willing to pay your medical bills for something unnecessary, in the same way that we shouldn't pay for elective cosmetic surgery for anyone. You can still get all the same medical care that I can, so stop with the "They're taking away my healthcare" nonsense. Nobody is threatening to put you in a concentration camp, take away your right to free speech or to vote, nor any other rights the rest of us have. We've just had enough of the demands for special treatment, protected class, teachers transitioning minor kids without notifying the parents, teachers pushing kids and pressuring them to say they're trans, the insistence that biological men be allowed into women's bathrooms, locker rooms, and sports, taxpayer money being used for gender reassignment surgery for inmates, and the rest of the over the top nonsense. The voters have rejected this absurdity and you lost most of middle America and the election with it. You still have all the rights the rest of us have and nobody is trying to eradicate you, so stop misrepresenting others' positions and ideas.

 

[ColoradoIrish]

The Effect of Puberty Blockers on the Accrual of Bone Mass

After two years, up to a third of children have abnormally low bone density

www.segm.org

And those same issues exist for non trans kids that get on puberty blockers as well

 

[BuaConstrictor]

take away your right to free speech or to vote, nor any other rights the rest of us have

Knowles via Virginia19's reading would be stripping their right to free expression and speech. How does one eradicate transgender ideology from public life entirely at all levels without infringing on free speech?

 

[ColoradoIrish]

You are, though. Very much so. Equating ending a policy or the promotion of an idea or agenda, eradicating a false concept, etc., etc., is not honest nor accurate, and you know it. Nobody has taken away any healthcare from trans people that the rest of us don't have. We're just not willing to pay your medical bills for something unnecessary, in the same way that we shouldn't pay for elective cosmetic surgery for anyone. You can still get all the same medical care that I can, so stop with the "They're taking away my healthcare" nonsense. Nobody is threatening to put you in a concentration camp, take away your right to free speech or to vote, nor any other rights the rest of us have. We've just had enough of the demands for special treatment, protected class, teachers transitioning minor kids without notifying the parents, teachers pushing kids and pressuring them to say they're trans, the insistence that biological men be allowed into women's bathrooms, locker rooms, and sports, taxpayer money being used for gender reassignment surgery for inmates, and the rest of the over the top nonsense. The voters have rejected this absurdity and you lost most of middle America and the election with it. You still have all the rights the rest of us have and nobody is trying to eradicate you, so stop misrepresenting others' positions and ideas.

As someone in the healthcare field you're being extremely dishonest because you know healthcare isnt a one size fit all things. Your healthcare needs aren't the same as mine, or the same as anyone else.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

taxpayer money being used for gender reassignment surgery for inmates,

So why'd you vote for Trump? This occurred under his watch.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

And agreed on Caitlyn Jenner, Dylan Mulvaney thing, but really who gives a shit?

So...we want the Federal Gov't involved in how private media functions? I was told this was the free speech president.

 

[Bishop2b5]

As someone in the healthcare field you're being extremely dishonest because you know healthcare isnt a one size fit all things. Your healthcare needs aren't the same as mine, or the same as anyone else.

You have the same rights and access to healthcare that the rest of us have. It's not our responsibility to pay for your special personal needs related to being trans for exactly the same reason that it's not our responsibility to pay for someone's boob job or facelift or hair implants.

 

[Bishop2b5]

So why'd you vote for Trump? This occurred under his watch.

Did Trump OK that, push for it, advocate for it, or even approve of it? He's been very vocal about eliminating such nonsense.

 

[BuaConstrictor]

Did Trump OK that

Well, he didn't stop it and knew it was occurring. So....Yes.

He's been very vocal about eliminating such nonsense.

Because he knows that it stirs up his disgusting base.