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[Blazers46]

You read for shit as exemplified by your responses lol. That’s ok. My question was to highlight that moving between categories doesn’t indicate an increase in hate and there are many possible reasons why a group might move. They are still patriotic. As the survey indicates. I don’t know what you mean by “you guys”, I’m just an extremely America loving American.

Your narrative building is dumb. Full stop, no nonsense simile necessary.

Fact: democrats have went from 90% to 29%.

My question: why?

Your response: but republicans… who are still at around 90% and you don’t care because… republicans.

It’s a glaring stat… you don’t care, just say so.

 

[Armyirish47]

Fact: democrats have went from 90% to 29%.

My question: why?

Your response: but republicans… who are still at around 90% and you don’t care because… republicans.

It’s a glaring stat… you don’t care, just say so.

I have given you multiple possible reasons, you just don’t like them because….reasons?

Fact: 91% of Americans identify as patriotic.

My reaction as a fellow America loving American: Great!

Your response: Republicans love it harder and not loving it that hard means you hate it!

It’s a dumb narrative…that means more to you, just say it.

 

[Blazers46]

I have given you multiple possible reasons, you just don’t like them because….reasons?

Fact: 91% of Americans identify as patriotic.

My reaction as a fellow America loving American: Great!

Your response: Republicans love it harder and not loving it that hard means you hate it!

It’s a dumb narrative…that means more to you, just say it.

Again, it’s a glaring stat that democrats love it less. Going from 90% to 29% should be a big deal to you but isn’t. Your boat is leaking but it’s floating but sinking… but it’s floating so you don’t care to fix the leak… because reasons and good enough is good enough because it’s good enough. When do you start caring? When does this downward spiral bother you? At 0%?

 

[Blazers46]

Fact: 91% of Americans identify as patriotic.

My reaction as a fellow America loving American: Great!

Of that 91%… 51% is moderate to low…

You: Great

 

[Armyirish47]

Again, it’s a glaring stat that democrats love it less. Going from 90% to 29% should be a big deal to you but isn’t. Your boat is leaking but it’s floating but sinking… but it’s floating so you don’t care to fix the leak… because reasons and good enough is good enough because it’s good enough. When do you start caring? When does this downward spiral bother you? At 0%?

Why does anyone have to meet your arbitrary patriotism measuring test? Why isn't simply being patriotic enough? Is there a merit badge I'm unaware of and where do I apply? What does it mean to declare one group more patriotic whether they behave that way or not? How do we know this is a "downward spiral" when we only have 25 years of polling from a possibly unique time period as our baseline? Can I interest you in a tie covered with American flags?

 

[Armyirish47]

Of that 91%… 51% is moderate to low…

You: Great

Uh oh, is that a cherry picked sub stat?

You: AMERICA!!!!!!!!

 

[TorontoGold]

Why does anyone have to meet your arbitrary patriotism measuring test? Why isn't simply being patriotic enough? Is there a merit badge I'm unaware of and where do I apply? What does it mean to declare one group more patriotic whether they behave that way or not? How do we know this is a "downward spiral" when we only have 25 years of polling from a possibly unique time period as our baseline? Can I interest you in a tie covered with American flags?

It would be like saying true ND fans just full throat the results no matter what.

Always interesting that those who shriek about forced pronouns or whatever have thinly defined boxes that everyone must fit in.

No doubt IE MAGA would be marching against things like women being allowed to vote or segregation. “SHUT THE FUCK UP OK, YOU HATE THIS COUNTRY AND IT COULD BE SO MUCH WORSE”

 

[Blazers46]

Why does anyone have to meet your arbitrary patriotism measuring test? Why isn't simply being patriotic enough? Is there a merit badge I'm unaware of and where do I apply? What does it mean to declare one group more patriotic whether they behave that way or not? How do we know this is a "downward spiral" when we only have 25 years of polling from a possibly unique time period as our baseline? Can I interest you in a tie covered with American flags?

I’m not Gallup, it’s not my arbitrary test, it’s Gallup’s longstanding arbitrary metric tracking “extremely/very proud.” The big, sustained drop on one side isn’t imaginary, and waving it away as “just 25 years” or a unique period dodges the trend/problem.

For me, simply being “a little patriotic” isn’t good enough when we’re making major decisions about the country’s direction. If pride is dwindling for tens of millions, that affects how (or whether) they invest in its future.

I think it’s also worthy to note that being proud of your country is different than being proud in your government. But I don’t think one side is able to make that distinction.

I exist therefore I serve, not I exist therefore I deserve… a part of me wishes the United States would incorporate some sort of mandatory two year service. Get people invested into their own country and be an and be an active part in its history, but that’s another conversation for another day.

 

[Fbolt]

Like Male or Female? Are those your thinly defined boxes?

Always interesting that those who shriek about forced pronouns or whatever have thinly defined boxes that everyone must fit in.

 

[TorontoGold]

Like Male or Female? Are those your thinly defined boxes?

Are you capable of following? Can you demonstrate that?

 

[Fbolt]

Very. Say stupid things, win stupid prizes.

Ironic, a Canadian is commenting on posts discussing American patriotism.

 

[TorontoGold]

Oh ok, so you can't follow. I'm sure "fails to listen" or "can't understand what others are saying" came up in a few times in the family court.

Patriotism exists everywhere, I would say I should get a say in a country I pay taxes in. It's not like I'm doing some sort of stolen valor where I'm built like a beer fridge in my 70's trying to tell everyone I'm a doctor but I can't figure out how to use Google in the year 2026.

 

[Blazers46]

Very. Say stupid things, win stupid prizes.

Ironic, a Canadian is commenting on posts discussing American patriotism.

It’s more ironic his only comment on the matter before today was his Charlie Kirk victory lap a few days ago… nothing says I’m patriotic like taking a Charlie is dead victory lap. He’s not worth the time. He’s now admitting he only gets a say because he pays taxes in the US. Could be dumbest thing ever. He deserves representation because he pays taxes? No… he pays taxes because he engages in commerce in the US which is a benefit to him, therefore you pay the toll for engaging in self serving commerce. But he’s a stupid democrat and thinks he’s entitled because of reasons lol. Classic Toronto. I went to Canada last year and paid sales tax, I deserve representation? Idiot. I’m a Tim Hortons Coffee tax paying Canadian. I also deserve Mexican and European representation for all my tax dollars spent.

 

[Armyirish47]

I’m not Gallup, it’s not my arbitrary test, it’s Gallup’s longstanding arbitrary metric tracking “extremely/very proud.” The big, sustained drop on one side isn’t imaginary, and waving it away as “just 25 years” or a unique period dodges the trend/problem.

For me, simply being “a little patriotic” isn’t good enough when we’re making major decisions about the country’s direction. If pride is dwindling for tens of millions, that affects how (or whether) they invest in its future.

I think it’s also worthy to note that being proud of your country is different than being proud in your government. But I don’t think one side is able to make that distinction.

I exist therefore I serve, not I exist therefore I deserve… a part of me wishes the United States would incorporate some sort of mandatory two year service. Get people invested into their own country and be an and be an active part in its history, but that’s another conversation for another day.

It is arbitrary if you decide that anyone below Extreme/Very are not patriotic. Gallup gave more options that ultimately 91% of people still use to point to being patriotic. It wasn't just Democrats who had a drop, it was also Independents, and for extended stretches it was Republicans losing some of that patriotic fervor. I think the why does matter and that's why I mentioned a host of possible reasons beyond the other side(s) just started hating America more. And the "just 25 years" matters as well because we have had some incredibly significant changes since 2001 (the rise of Guy Fieri for instance). And further we can't compare it to say 1979, 1933, 1860 etc. when you would have to think those numbers would also be far, far different in many ways than this 10% snapshot of America's history no?

Maybe? People are self interested right, and deciding to invest in a future feels like a much more local issue than a national pride issue. To tie that back to the first response, I also don't know what it means to go from "very" patriotic to "moderately" patriotic. Drinking Guinness instead of Yuengling at a 4th of July cookout? Drawing a line in the sand there is...well you know.

I also think it's worthy to note that equating a political party to some higher level of patriotism is a dangerous path to go down, it gives the party all manner of cover because of their self proclaimed high ground. Look how much more we love <insert country here>, we will do what we must to protect it. Call it "patriotism signaling"? We can workshop that.

Knee deep in my 17th year of voluntary service I can say mandatory service of some sort for everyone sounds great. Not sure how to make it National without coming off a weird kind of way, but count me in.

And let me just add, what sparked my curiosity about this whole conversation is this idea of perceiving and/or building a narrative right. Like you may have seen the one graph and thought oh look at Democrats bailing on America they must hate it, but I looked at it and thought I'd like to dig in to these numbers and hell yeah 91% of people are patriotic in these divisive times? Like 9% of people in America think the Earth is flat and that is a MUCH bigger concern to me. But it also coincides with all these foreigners (yuck) coming here for the World Cup expecting America to be some gun riddled hellscape but instead finding it filled with nice people of all ages, stripes etc., in cities big and small that are pretty fantastic, coast to coast, great food, amazing stadiums and traditions and instead of fighting their pre-conceptions they said fuck it, there is more to this story. I think the same is true in this conversation and I hope we find some common ground, either way cheers and Go Irish.

(Apologies for the NDWarrior length post, I am shamed)

 

[TorontoGold]

It’s more ironic his only comment on the matter before today was his Charlie Kirk victory lap a few days ago… nothing says I’m patriotic like taking a Charlie is dead victory lap. He’s not worth the time. He’s now admitting he only gets a say because he pays taxes in the US. Could be dumbest thing ever. He deserves representation because he pays taxes? No… he pays taxes because he engages in commerce in the US which is a benefit to him, therefore you pay the toll for engaging in self serving commerce. But he’s a stupid democrat and thinks he’s entitled because of reasons lol. Classic Toronto. I went to Canada last year and paid sales tax, I deserve representation? Idiot. I’m a Tim Hortons Coffee tax paying Canadian. I also deserve Mexican and European representation for all my tax dollars spent.

Yeah, was/were was a truly horrible person. If it’s “not patriotic” to join you on all fours for him, then I guess that makes me “unpatriotic”. I agree that he shouldn’t have been killed, I don’t believe in making martyrs. Luckily his wife and the internet have sought to ensure that he’s remembered as a meme for his uneducated and dumbass takes and looks.

Income taxes are not sales taxes. Surely ToiletPaperUSA could hold a session to help you out on the basic fundamentals?

Or, you could always just ask AI to figure it out for you like you did when you wrote that gargly goop AI slop post a few months back, remember that? You never owned up to that. Some patriot, can’t even write his own messages.

 

[Blazers46]

Yeah, was/were was a truly horrible person. If it’s “not patriotic” to join you on all fours for him, then I guess that makes me “unpatriotic”. I agree that he shouldn’t have been killed, I don’t believe in making martyrs. Luckily his wife and the internet have sought to ensure that he’s remembered as a meme for his uneducated and dumbass takes and looks.

Income taxes are not sales taxes. Surely ToiletPaperUSA could hold a session to help you out on the basic fundamentals?

Or, you could always just ask AI to figure it out for you like you did when you wrote that gargly goop AI slop post a few months back, remember that? You never owned up to that. Some patriot, can’t even write his own messages.

Excuse me sir, the Americans were talking…

 

[Blazers46]

It is arbitrary if you decide that anyone below Extreme/Very are not patriotic.

You’re conflating me pointing out a decline in Democrat patriotism with them not being patriotic at all… where I have clearly and many times stated the opposite. That there is a decline that should be noticed as a problem as opposed to “well a little is fine” attitude.

Gallup gave more options that ultimately 91% of people still use to point to being patriotic.

Most “just a little”. But good enough for some apparently.

It wasn't just Democrats who had a drop, it was also Independents, and for extended stretches it was Republicans losing some of that patriotic fervor.

Republicans have consistently been 85% or higher in this particular group. I’ve conceded some have been flakey going from very to extremely.

I think the why does matter and that's why I mentioned a host of possible reasons beyond the other side(s) just started hating America more. And the "just 25 years" matters as well because we have had some incredibly significant changes since 2001 (the rise of Guy Fieri for instance). And further we can't compare it to say 1979, 1933, 1860 etc. when you would have to think those numbers would also be far, far different in many ways than this 10% snapshot of America's history no?

Still a good snapshot. 25 years is the majority of people on this boards lifetime.

Maybe? People are self interested right, and deciding to invest in a future feels like a much more local issue than a national pride issue. To tie that back to the first response, I also don't know what it means to go from "very" patriotic to "moderately" patriotic. Drinking Guinness instead of Yuengling at a 4th of July cookout? Drawing a line in the sand there is...well you know.

Less is less. But less is more because 91%… even though most of that is the less.

I also think it's worthy to note that equating a political party to some higher level of patriotism is a dangerous path to go down, it gives the party all manner of cover because of their self proclaimed high ground.

High ground? One is more patriotic than the other other. Facts be facts sometimes. Polls are dangerous, for this dangerous path asking people how Patriotic they are.

Look how much more we love <insert country here>, we will do what we must to protect it. Call it "patriotism signaling"? We can workshop that.

It’s a grand republican conspiracy. You nailed it.

Knee deep in my 17th year of voluntary service I can say mandatory service of some sort for everyone sounds great. Not sure how to make it National without coming off a weird kind of way, but count me in.

That’s great thank you for your service. Probably 30% of my team is responsible for vetting people for national security positions. Our fellow Americans probably don’t want these self proclaimed very little patriotic people running around in national security positions.

And let me just add, what sparked my curiosity about this whole conversation is this idea of perceiving and/or building a narrative right. Like you may have seen the one graph and thought oh look at Democrats bailing on America they must hate it,

“Patriotism declining”, I’ve only said that in about every post.

but I looked at it and thought I'd like to dig in to these numbers and hell yeah 91% of people are patriotic in these divisive times?

Great thought, people disagree on things and like the country less for it. Makes zero sense.

Like 9% of people in America think the Earth is flat and that is a MUCH bigger concern to me.

Imagine if that number were 2% yesterday but it rose to 9%… then backing up further 51% thought that maybe it could be flat… and only 29% thought the earth was absolutely round. Not the demo I want to be in.

But it also coincides with all these foreigners (yuck) coming here for the World Cup expecting America to be some gun riddled hellscape but instead finding it filled with nice people of all ages, stripes etc., in cities big and small that are pretty fantastic, coast to coast, great food, amazing stadiums and traditions and instead of fighting their pre-conceptions they said fuck it, there is more to this story.

Probably curious why the decline in patriotism from the folks that live here.

I think the same is true in this conversation and I hope we find some common ground, either way cheers and Go Irish.

☘️

(Apologies for the NDWarrior length post, I am shamed)

He’s still typing something, be patient.

 

[Armyirish47]

You’re conflating me pointing out a decline in Democrat patriotism with them not being patriotic at all… where I have clearly and many times stated the opposite. That there is a decline that should be noticed as a problem as opposed to “well a little is fine” attitude

No, I'm going off of what you said previously, but I do believe our conversation has moved you away from this. I don't think you can simultaneously be any sort of patriotic and hate your country.

"It’s no secret the left hates this country and it’s no secret why… and it’s not because this administration."

Most “just a little”. But good enough for some apparently.

Yes! Some patriotism is great. What do you call the guy who graduates last from med school? What do you call the guy who just sucks one dick? (I left these wide open for you, have fun)

Republicans have consistently been 85% or higher in this particular group. I’ve conceded some have been flakey going from very to extremely.

See I don't think it's flakey, I think they had legitimate reasons. And that's ok with me.

Still a good snapshot. 25 years is the majority of people on this boards lifetime.

That's horrifying. But it also has to be treated with appropriate context.

Less is less. But less is more because 91%… even though most of that is the less.

Give me something to understand the difference between someone who is "very" patriotic vs. "moderately" patriotic.

High ground? One is more patriotic than the other other. Facts be facts sometimes. Polls are dangerous, for this dangerous path asking people how Patriotic they are.

It’s a grand republican conspiracy. You nailed it.

It costs nothing to SAY you are patriotic. It's also easy to then weaponize that "patriotism". Not unique to any party or country throughout history. You were talking about love of country vs. government, so I went broader as well. I'm not about to post some YouTube video on NDWarriors saved list. (Sorry NDWarrior, I'll try to to stop picking at you)

That’s great thank you for your service. Probably 30% of my team is responsible for vetting people for national security positions. Our fellow Americans probably don’t want these self proclaimed very little patriotic people running around in national security positions.

Thanks to you guys for keeping my clearance vetted! That process is actually way less painful now. Real nice.

Maybe? I assume they want people in the positions who do the job well irregardless of their cowboy hat having an American flag on it.

“Patriotism declining”, I’ve only said that in about every post.

Great thought, people disagree on things and like the country less for it. Makes zero sense.

People disagree on things and the solutions and STILL are patriotic despite the many possible reasons they have not to including being told they hate their own country despite being patriotic professing (again I don't think you believe this still?). Makes tons of sense.

Imagine if that number were 2% yesterday but it rose to 9%… then backing up further 51% thought that maybe it could be flat… and only 29% thought the earth was absolutely round. Not the demo I want to be in.

Is that 51% of the 9% or 29% of the 2%? Do I have to carry any numbers?

Probably curious why the decline in patriotism from the folks that live here

Probably much more curious this is even a conversation somewhere on the line.

He’s still typing something, be patient.

Well shit....

 

[Irish#1]

It’s more ironic his only comment on the matter before today was his Charlie Kirk victory lap a few days ago… nothing says I’m patriotic like taking a Charlie is dead victory lap. He’s not worth the time. He’s now admitting he only gets a say because he pays taxes in the US. Could be dumbest thing ever. He deserves representation because he pays taxes? No… he pays taxes because he engages in commerce in the US which is a benefit to him, therefore you pay the toll for engaging in self serving commerce. But he’s a stupid democrat and thinks he’s entitled because of reasons lol. Classic Toronto. I went to Canada last year and paid sales tax, I deserve representation? Idiot. I’m a Tim Hortons Coffee tax paying Canadian. I also deserve Mexican and European representation for all my tax dollars spent.

"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."

 

[Old Man Mike]

The definition of a true friend (and a true citizen) is that they are willing to see your faults and attempt to help you get better at whatever might need improvement.

 

[Blazers46]

No, I'm going off of what you said previously, but I do believe our conversation has moved you away from this. I don't think you can simultaneously be any sort of patriotic and hate your country.

"It’s no secret the left hates this country and it’s no secret why… and it’s not because this administration."

That’s my opinion based on things outside the poll. Stolen land rhetoric, the country being systemically racist, built on racism, inherently racist, built on white supremacy, separate but equal holidays for minorities, the list can go on and on… but that’s just an opinion I inserted not based on the poll.

Yes! Some patriotism is great. What do you call the guy who graduates last from med school? What do you call the guy who just sucks one dick? (I left these wide open for you, have fun)

Some is better than none but if a guy graduated from med school and get dumber after graduating we have a problem… if you’re gay and your boy stops sucking your dick I’m sure you would see that a problem that needs to be fixed to smarten up the med doctor and for the gay guy to get sick sucked more… you’re describing things on come up (no pun intended) we have something declining and it’s okay with you.

See I don't think it's flakey, I think they had legitimate reasons. And that's ok with me.

I don’t care either way on this. I was just entertaining you moving the goalposts.

That's horrifying. But it also has to be treated with appropriate context.

We have 25 years of context. That’s a lot.

Give me something to understand the difference between someone who is "very" patriotic vs. "moderately" patriotic.

Moderate is less than very, therefore it’s a decrease in patriotism. Which has been my position. Less = decrease. The decrease has been my position not full on hate or none patriotism. Hence the analogy of the sinking boat… it’s sinking but not sunk. It declining… less than moderate is minimal or very little. You can see a decrease without context of what that decrease means.

It costs nothing to SAY you are patriotic.

Goes both ways.

It's also easy to then weaponize that "patriotism". Not unique to any party or country throughout history. You were talking about love of country vs. government, so I went broader as well. I'm not about to post some YouTube video on NDWarriors saved list. (Sorry NDWarrior, I'll try to to stop picking at you)

You can also weaponize the other side. Patriotism is deteriorating because I’m a victim of something. Victimhood has become very lucrative these days. Less patriotism probably catches more flies than patriotism sadly.

Thanks to you guys for keeping my clearance vetted! That process is actually way less painful now. Real nice.

I think it’s become too easy sadly. Which makes the back end of my job a lot harder when people mess up we have to clean it up.

Maybe? I assume they want people in the positions who do the job well irregardless of their cowboy hat having an American flag on it.

It’s one thing to do the job well… it’s another who you’re doing it for. The US, yourself, or some bad actor.

People disagree on things and the solutions and STILL are patriotic despite the many possible reasons they have not to including being told they hate their own country despite being patriotic professing (again I don't think you believe this still?). Makes tons of sense.

Still patriotic… just less patriotic. In my arena if you’re that easily influenced I have no need for you. I’m sure you have a clean SF86 but those that don’t get asked the tougher questions and are much more heavily scrutinized and vetted.

“Oh you just moved here from Iran 3 years ago, if the US and Iran went to war whose side would you be on?” Keep in mind 44% of Muslim Americans support Hamas and other groups.

“This social media post you made ‘from the river to the see’ what did you mean by that? Israel is a US ally, do you see them as an ally?”

“You came here from Mexico 3 years ago without a green card, you’re parents are currently in the US Improperly, what are your thoughts on national security and laws in general?”

Or with military… “you came to US last week and you are a citizen of Colombia, why are you joining the US military after only being here a week?”
You would be shocked how often this last one comes up.

Is that 51% of the 9% or 29% of the 2%? Do I have to carry any numbers?

Depends, is the earth flat? 😂

 

[Armyirish47]

That’s my opinion based on things outside the poll. Stolen land rhetoric, the country being systemically racist, built on racism, inherently racist, built on white supremacy, separate but equal holidays for minorities, the list can go on and on… but that’s just an opinion I inserted not based on the poll.

So did the poll change your opinion or reinforce it?

Some is better than none but if a guy graduated from med school and get dumber after graduating we have a problem… if you’re gay and your boy stops sucking your dick I’m sure you would see that a problem that needs to be fixed to smarten up the med doctor and for the gay guy to get sick sucked more… you’re describing things on come up (no pun intended) we have something declining and it’s okay with you.

I would imagine most doctors get dumber after they graduate, they still get to be doctors. If a guy sucked a dick he's still gay even if he gives it up for Lent or whatever. I gave many reasons why it could be declining because there are things that could be changed which would turn the levels around for Democrats and Independents, just like it did for Republicans. I'm not working from the assumption that because things decline they must always decline. Maybe that is part of our disconnect here.

I don’t care either way on this. I was just entertaining you moving the goalposts.

Fair enough, no flakes no goalposts toted.

We have 25 years of context. That’s a lot.

Out of 250? Have to do the ole agree to disagree.

Moderate is less than very, therefore it’s a decrease in patriotism. Which has been my position. Less = decrease. The decrease has been my position not full on hate or none patriotism. Hence the analogy of the sinking boat… it’s sinking but not sunk. It declining… less than moderate is minimal or very little. You can see a decrease without context of what that decrease means.

Well your position seemingly started as the poll reinforced your outside opinion that the left hated America and now has evolved into this right? I'm curious what it means to go from extreme to very. And again what it means to go from very to moderate. How do I spot one of these moderately patriotic people? And what does it matter if I do, especially knowing they can move between categories yearly?

Goes both ways.

You can also weaponize the other side. Patriotism is deteriorating because I’m a victim of something. Victimhood has become very lucrative these days. Less patriotism probably catches more flies than patriotism sadly.

I agree it goes both ways and really tried hard to point that out. I'm still not sure how the victimhood angle plays for just one side though.

I think it’s become too easy sadly. Which makes the back end of my job a lot harder when people mess up we have to clean it up.

Well shit, sorry about that!

It’s one thing to do the job well… it’s another who you’re doing it for. The US, yourself, or some bad actor.

Doing it for a bad actor would preclude patriotism though right?

Still patriotic… just less patriotic. In my arena if you’re that easily influenced I have no need for you. I’m sure you have a clean SF86 but those that don’t get asked the tougher questions and are much more heavily scrutinized and vetted.

“Oh you just moved here from Iran 3 years ago, if the US and Iran went to war whose side would you be on?” Keep in mind 44% of Muslim Americans support Hamas and other groups.

“This social media post you made ‘from the river to the see’ what did you mean by that? Israel is a US ally, do you see them as an ally?”

“You came here from Mexico 3 years ago without a green card, you’re parents are currently in the US Improperly, what are your thoughts on national security and laws in general?”

Or with military… “you came to US last week and you are a citizen of Colombia, why are you joining the US military after only being here a week?”
You would be shocked how often this last one comes up.

My SF86 is squeeeeeeeky baby. If one isn't as clean and you heavily scrutinize and vet and turns out they have some problematic statements (either right or left) but are ultimately patriotic, even just a little (even if they initially claimed there were extremely patriotic), what happens?

Depends, is the earth flat? 😂

Hell yeah

 

[Blazers46]

So did the poll change your opinion or reinforce it?

I am not sure if I think the left “hates America” or they just hate what it is and is hell bent on changing it or tearing it all down. I think the left is mutually aligned in their disdain for straight white Christian males… not everyone is exclusive to all but they all do their party to hate at least one. The enemy of my is friend, example… gays for Palestine and recent infatuation with Muslims being integrated in politics at the behest of Christianity… foot washing stations and prayer rooms in MN schools another example.

I would imagine most doctors get dumber after they graduate, they still get to be doctors.

Dumber in regard to stats and philosophy and all the other bs classes they had to take to get there but probably more skilled.

If a guy sucked a dick he's still gay even if he gives it up for Lent or whatever.

Sure but if every gay never sucks a dick ever again and decides to be single because they are not wanting to be as gay anymore, a lot dicks don’t get sucked at all… lol.. such a weird conversation.

I gave many reasons why it could be declining because there are things that could be changed which would turn the levels around for Democrats and Independents, just like it did for Republicans. I'm not working from the assumption that because things decline they must always decline. Maybe that is part of our disconnect here.

Since the polls inception it’s not an assumption, as of right now it’s a fact. But probably right that could be the disconnect.

Out of 250? Have to do the ole agree to disagree.

No data either way so it’s hard to just assume.

Well your position seemingly started as the poll reinforced your outside opinion that the left hated America and now has evolved into this right?

I still think a lot of people hate America for what it is. See above. I think it’s hard in a poll for people to accept they have zero patriotism. That’s a hard pill to swallow for even the most radical of radicals… in my opinion.

I'm curious what it means to go from extreme to very. And again what it means to go from very to moderate. How do I spot one of these moderately patriotic people? And what does it matter if I do, especially knowing they can move between categories yearly?

That’s the beauty of polls. I can be black lesbian woman who loves Michigan football in the next poll I takes. It’s just opinions and words on paper no matter what reality is.

I agree it goes both ways and really tried hard to point that out. I'm still not sure how the victimhood angle plays for just one side though.

I’m sure it’s both.

Well shit, sorry about that!



Doing it for a bad actor would preclude patriotism though right?

Obviously but just to say the most skilled aren’t necessary the most employable when it comes to national security positions inside and mostly outside military.

My SF86 is squeeeeeeeky baby. If one isn't as clean and you heavily scrutinize and vet and turns out they have some problematic statements (either right or left) but are ultimately patriotic, even just a little (even if they initially claimed there were extremely patriotic), what happens?

Patriotism is one thing… Flakey people don’t typically get adjudicated favorably especially when it comes to protecting tour country you swear to protect …. also pay your bills… lol.

 

[Fbolt]

Oh ok, so you can't follow. I'm sure "fails to listen" or "can't understand what others are saying" came up in a few times in the family court.

Patriotism exists everywhere, I would say I should get a say in a country I pay taxes in. It's not like I'm doing some sort of stolen valor where I'm built like a beer fridge in my 70's trying to tell everyone I'm a doctor but I can't figure out how to use Google in the year 2026.

But I don't think about him

 

[Armyirish47]

I am not sure if I think the left “hates America” or they just hate what it is and is hell bent on changing it or tearing it all down. I think the left is mutually aligned in their disdain for straight white Christian males… not everyone is exclusive to all but they all do their party to hate at least one. The enemy of my is friend, example… gays for Palestine and recent infatuation with Muslims being integrated in politics at the behest of Christianity… foot washing stations and prayer rooms in MN schools another example.

Dumber in regard to stats and philosophy and all the other bs classes they had to take to get there but probably more skilled.

Sure but if every gay never sucks a dick ever again and decides to be single because they are not wanting to be as gay anymore, a lot dicks don’t get sucked at all… lol.. such a weird conversation.

Since the polls inception it’s not an assumption, as of right now it’s a fact. But probably right that could be the disconnect.

No data either way so it’s hard to just assume.

I still think a lot of people hate America for what it is. See above. I think it’s hard in a poll for people to accept they have zero patriotism. That’s a hard pill to swallow for even the most radical of radicals… in my opinion.

That’s the beauty of polls. I can be black lesbian woman who loves Michigan football in the next poll I takes. It’s just opinions and words on paper no matter what reality is.

I’m sure it’s both.

Obviously but just to say the most skilled aren’t necessary the most employable when it comes to national security positions inside and mostly outside military.

Patriotism is one thing… Flakey people don’t typically get adjudicated favorably especially when it comes to protecting tour country you swear to protect …. also pay your bills… lol.

Feels like the perfect spot to wrap up. Thanks for the conversation brother, look forward to doing it again!

 

[Blazers46]

Feels like the perfect spot to wrap up. Thanks for the conversation brother, look forward to doing it again!

I need to catch up on a few days of work… lol.

 

[TorontoGold]

More anti white racism

 

[Fbolt]

What was the comment, though? Protected Species?

 

[TorontoGold]

Does google exist

 

[Blazers46]

More anti white racism

I thought it was nothing burger. WNBA is a protected species so a suspension isn’t surprising. In other news did the white girl get her ass kicked again?