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[TorontoGold]

So it’s not natural to be trans. Hater

Sure it is. Here's a good article as to how it is naturally occurring Are There Transgender Proclivities in Animals? | JSTOR Daily

 

[Blazers46]

Sure it is. Here's a good article as to how it is naturally occurring Are There Transgender Proclivities in Animals? | JSTOR Daily

The article is actually pretty hilarious. If you are using this for your argument I apologize to everyone on this board for taking you seriously.

Male birds pretending to females so they don’t get killed or to sneak up on other male birds and attack them. This might actually make a good argument that trans naturally hide their gender to attack people. Great read 😂

 

[TorontoGold]

The article is actually pretty hilarious. If you are using this for your argument I apologize to everyone on this board for taking you seriously.

Male birds pretending to females so they don’t get killed or to sneak up on other male birds and attack them. This might actually make a good argument that trans naturally hide their gender to attack people. Great read 😂

It's from a literal biologist, I'm sorry it's not a shock jock alt right grifter that lines up with your narrow view lmao.

It's purpose to show that their are other species out there that have gender non-conformity.

 

[Blazers46]

It's from a literal biologist, I'm sorry it's not a shock jock alt right grifter that lines up with your narrow view lmao.

It's purpose to show that there are other species out there that have gender non-conformity.

😂

The article is saying males act like females so they don’t get attacked and killed by more mature males. And then also to disguise themselves so get the upper hand on other males. “It’s a literal biologist” or someone identifying as one? I mean… wtf is the difference? Bam… I’m a biologist now.

 

[TorontoGold]

😂

The article is saying males act like females so they don’t get attacked and killed by more mature males. And then also to disguise themselves so get the upper hand on other males. “It’s a literal biologist” or someone identifying as one? I mean… wtf is the difference? Bam… I’m a biologist now.

I shouldn't be taken seriously lol.

 

[Irish#1]

You're allowed to have that, just doesn't give carte blanche for criticism as why one would hold that belief. I'm not sure I'll get an answer, by how would one justify that position

I am the one, that's correct. It's a completely different funding structure as you know. The immediate cash cost doesn't hit the individual families, and there is a tangible benefit to the American economy for debt forgiveness vs a trans test. You're helping exponentially more families with debt forgiveness.

To you question of a trans category, I don't think I answered it. I don't think it makes sense from a financial side as setting up a whole category for 0.5% of the total (math shown above) participants. As well, politically I have a really time foreseeing laws passing in red states that would allow for these kinds categories to be setup. Additionally, I think following the IOC guidelines to be pretty straightforward and take the emotion from both sides out of it - what are your thoughts on that?

1 year on blockers with testosterone at levels below that guideline. This way it weeds out any people trans'ing to just dominate and will remove the advantage that they may have had. Thoughts?

Not sure what you mean by the first sentence.

Sure it's a completely different funding structure, and while it may not hit a family immediately it will. I'm not going to start discussing whether loan forgiveness helps everyone or just a group of loan holders. We've had that discussion.

To add a trans category for track, swimming, wrestling and gymnastics, the cost is almost nil. They can train with the boys or girls, then have their match, heat, round, etc. at the beginning or end of that specific event. For instance run the 100M dash for trans, then run it for ladies.

I wouldn't agree on the blockers because there is still an inherent advantage to a biological male. Maybe in college after they reached the age of 18, but I don't think there is enough evidence yet to say it levels the playing field.

 

[TorontoGold]

Not sure what you mean by the first sentence.

Sure it's a completely different funding structure, and while it may not hit a family immediately it will. I'm not going to start discussing whether loan forgiveness helps everyone or just a group of loan holders. We've had that discussion.

To add a trans category for track, swimming, wrestling and gymnastics, the cost is almost nil. They can train with the boys or girls, then have their match, heat, round, etc. at the beginning or end of that specific event. For instance run the 100M dash for trans, then run it for ladies.

I wouldn't agree on the blockers because there is still an inherent advantage to a biological male. Maybe in college after they reached the age of 18, but I don't think there is enough evidence yet to say it levels the playing field.

I mean - how can one justify taking such a hardline stance on the logistics of trans athletes competing but take a much more laissez-faire approach to shootings.

Ok, but I'm using the IOC's policy that has been done in consultation with people who know this kind of stuff. I'm not going to pretend that I know the answer, I'll defer to the IOC on this. If we're going to take an evidence based approach to this, then the evidence would show that trans athletes aren't smashing records or dominating sports.

 

[ulukinatme]

School shootings are literally killing kids, and your solution has been turning schools into prisons where it becomes Call of Duty School Edition. Why not take the hardline approach to guns? Why is it that "1 is too many" only applied to sports? What about advocating for having universal background checks? You want every child to submit their blood test results, what about gun owners? Surely you'd want this to happen to assist in reducing shootings, no?

I don't want to turn this into a guns discussion, just wanted to have a good chuckle at the fact that trans kids are catching much more heat than guns which are killing actual kids.

Sure you don't, Mr. Vortex. You do realize that we have multiple problems in this country. Just because we're discussing a particular topic this week doesn't mean the other isn't important. My solution to school shootings wasn't to "turn them into prisons." My solution was to lock down all exterior doors and provide protection for the children. That first item is already implemented in many places, but not across the board. There are many ways to go about protecting the kids that don't involve prison bars, wardens, and 12 foot walls

You've completely glossed over the fact that there are nearly 400 million guns in this country. You couldn't control them all if you tried, guns laws only apply to law abiding citizens. Last I checked people with mental illness don't care about laws or others' lives. The best way to protect the kids is by not making them easy targets. Case in point, the Nashville Christian shooter wanted to hit another school but could not because the 2nd school had more safety measures in place. From NYP: "He added that Hale was “prepared to do more harm than was actually done,” and that she had drawn up plans to attack another school in the area, but backed out of them because the school was too secure."

You can't control all the guns, so the best way to protect the kids is to put procedures and safeguards in place at the schools so they're no longer easy targets. That's the whole reason these psychos target schools, they know they can rack up a ton of destruction before they get ended. When schools are no longer easy targets the threat goes away. Many schools here have already implemented simple screening processes for entry, but more needs to be done. For the record I'm not against universal background checks, waiting periods, or better restrictions, but you're seriously a fool if you think those are going to do a damn thing to permanently end school shootings.

I don't have kids in sports. I don't know what you do for a living, but I measure financial risk exposure so I'll walk you through how enacting these kind of policies would harm the kids you're trying to "protect".

Your goal is to eliminate having trans kids in sports.

LOL, no. Take your straw man argument elsewhere. I've never suggested such a thing. Multiple times I've said they can play sports against the gender they were assigned at birth.

1) Total estimated trans kids in sports is estimated to be 300,000
2) The error rate on the $65 blood tests we've talked about is 0.5%
3) Total kids in organized sports in the US is estimated to be 60M
4) Total "incorrect" tests would be 60M x 0.5% = 300,000.
5) So, by testing each kid you are accepting a risk of ~300,000 kids getting the wrong tests back. This is as high as the total amount of trans kids in sports. You have essentially not done anything to make sports better by having these kids removed. In doing so you have ruined cisgendered kids childhoods as they will always known as "Jake who failed the blood test" no matter what sort of corrective action is taken. Kids are nasty.
6) Let's circle back to the cost - $65 x 60M = $3.9B which would be roughly ~3% of SNAP costs for 2021 (U.S. SNAP: total costs 1969-2021 | Statista) to put it in perspective. A 3% increase to funding to directly help the poorest American families would be overall better for society, no?

So to summarize - we know that there would 300,000 incorrect test results disallowing cisgendered kids from playing or have trans kids sneak through the cracks, and a $3.9B cost for American families. Is that worth it, are you willing to push blood tests knowing that you won't reduce the "errors" from playing in sports and costing American families such a high cost?

I'm curious where you get your numbers from. Are you pulling that from the Williams' Institute at UCLA? If that's the case, it said that there were 300,000 youth that identified as transgender in the US. No where did it say they all played sports. So that number is in no way accurate. That breaks your entire formula right from the start.

New estimates show 300,000 youth ages 13-17 identify as transgender in the US

williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu

Bullshit numbers aside, you're looking at this at a macro level. We've already established that the $3.9 billion figure is outrageously exaggerated, but if a family is paying out of pocket it's still just a one time fee of $65 each. Again, you don't have kids in sports so you have no frame of reference how insignificant of a cost this is in the grand scheme of kids sports today. This is only one possible solution though. There's plenty of cheaper ways to establish an athlete's gender that don't involve tests. Hell, you could have a sports governing body that will accept a gender submission from a licensed physician at birth, should the child decide to play in sports in the future. That seems like an awful lot of work when a blood test even during a pregnancy is accurate up to 99%.

Which accomplishments? We've already gone over this. There aren't records being smashed like you had previously stated, that's just not true.

I've gone into plenty of detail on this, try to keep up. I've linked trans girls beating biological girls, but I've also stated that it's not limited to records. Anytime a trans athlete takes a podium spot that could have gone to a biological girl, they're stealing an achievement. Anytime they qualify for an event spot that could have gone to a biological girl, they're stealing an achievement. Anytime they take a scholarship that could have gone to a biological girl, they're stealing an achievement and quite possibly a chance for a free education.

Here's yet another example for you of a trans girl competing against biological women and destroying them in competition. This guy just won an all girl's race by 5 minutes and took a $5,000 prize. I guess money doesn't matter just like achievements, right?

Trans cyclist Austin Killips wins North Carolina race by 5 minutes

Austin Killips, a controversial transgender cyclist, won a North Carolina race by a huge margin of five minutes, prompting the runner-up to claim that her ability was "not comparable" and call for a special category for trans athletes.

www.breezyscroll.com

Which states? I showed what you can do in Texas and Georgia to change your birth certificate and get one reissued without any indication that it is a new one. It would help if you cited your sources so we don't get into another "smashed records" situation where a falsehood is pushed and we find out it's entirely incorrect.

Do I have to do everything for you? It's easy to find, you really need to learn how to use Google.

What States Will Change Gender On Birth Certificate

For those who think it's easier to annoy you than to Google 'What states will change gender on birth certificate' themselves.

letmegooglethat.com

It's really not a big deal though. As mentioned there are plenty of other ways an athlete's gender can be established.

There was no falsehood pushed, I linked at least a few. Aside from Lia Thomas there's Mary Gregory, Tiffany Newell, and probably others. Again, you're hung up on records. Biological men competing against women is more than just records. Here's a list of many men taking women's spots and achievements in sports: Transgender Athletes Breaking Records in Women's Sports

It's these kinds of posts that leads to you getting clowned and laughed at. The lack of any sort of self reflection or awareness is incredible. Please continue these posts, it gives us all a great laugh and everyone enjoys a good bagel bishop freakout.

Really? Because I've had DM's from posters that have had quite a laugh about you on this one. I'm not sure you can see the forest for the trees here. It's quite easy to debunk a lot of your points. You continue beating dead horses that were shot down multiple replies prior. You're throwing out bogus numbers and passing them off as fact. I mean...you're advocating for biological men to compete against women in sports and you want to pretend they don't have distinct advantages. Where's the logic in that? Men have often dominated women in similar sports when they go head to head, this isn't new information. What you're advocating for isn't much different than an athlete juicing to achieve an advantage over their competitors and pretending that it's fair when it's against the rules.

 

[TorontoGold]

Sure you don't, Mr. Vortex. You do realize that we have multiple problems in this country. Just because we're discussing a particular topic this week doesn't mean the other isn't important. My solution to school shootings wasn't to "turn them into prisons." My solution was to lock down all exterior doors and provide protection for the children. That first item is already implemented in many places, but not across the board. There are many ways to go about protecting the kids that don't involve prison bars, wardens, and 12 foot walls

You've completely glossed over the fact that there are nearly 400 million guns in this country. You couldn't control them all if you tried, guns laws only apply to law abiding citizens. Last I checked people with mental illness don't care about laws or others' lives. The best way to protect the kids is by not making them easy targets. Case in point, the Nashville Christian shooter wanted to hit another school but could not because the 2nd school had more safety measures in place. From NYP: "He added that Hale was “prepared to do more harm than was actually done,” and that she had drawn up plans to attack another school in the area, but backed out of them because the school was too secure."

You can't control all the guns, so the best way to protect the kids is to put procedures and safeguards in place at the schools so they're no longer easy targets. That's the whole reason these psychos target schools, they know they can rack up a ton of destruction before they get ended. When schools are no longer easy targets the threat goes away. Many schools here have already implemented simple screening processes for entry, but more needs to be done. For the record I'm not against universal background checks, waiting periods, or better restrictions, but you're seriously a fool if you think those are going to do a damn thing to permanently end school shootings.

Australia did a pretty neat gun buyback to get these guns off the streets. Not to continue this further but there is multiple countries that have taken robust measures to keep their citizens safe that doesn't include militarizing their schools. Not to mention the idea that "laws only apply to law abiding citizens" stance only being used here but not other ideas further confirms the bias.

LOL, no. Take your straw man argument elsewhere. I've never suggested such a thing. Multiple times I've said they can play sports against the gender they were assigned at birth.

I worded it incorrectly - your goal is to have trans kids not compete in the gender they would like to.

I'm curious where you get your numbers from. Are you pulling that from the Williams' Institute at UCLA? If that's the case, it said that there were 300,000 youth that identified as transgender in the US. No where did it say they all played sports. So that number is in no way accurate. That breaks your entire formula right from the start.

New estimates show 300,000 youth ages 13-17 identify as transgender in the US

williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu

Bullshit numbers aside, you're looking at this at a macro level. We've already established that the $3.9 billion figure is outrageously exaggerated, but if a family is paying out of pocket it's still just a one time fee of $65 each. Again, you don't have kids in sports so you have no frame of reference how insignificant of a cost this is in the grand scheme of kids sports today. This is only one possible solution though. There's plenty of cheaper ways to establish an athlete's gender that don't involve tests.

Alright let's go back to my post (4,097) were I cited my sources, a novel concept in these parts. I think my typo my 2nd post on this topic said it was 300,000 (should have said 100,000) which actually makes my point even clearer.

1. 300,000 trans kids in the US - How Many Adults and Youth Identify as Transgender in the United States?
2. 1/3 participating in sports - LGBTQ Youth Sports Participation | The Trevor Project
3. Simple math 1/3 x 300,000 = 100,000 (simple calculator)

So, to reiterate for the 3rd? 4th? time - An error rate of 0.5% on 60M kids leads to 300,000 incorrect results which as we know is higher than the estimated 100,000 trans kids competing.

How did you establish that $3.9B is exaggerated? I was charitable to you and used the cheapest available blood test so that I wouldn't exaggerate the cost. I'll walk you through the calculation 60M (estimated children playing sports) x $65 (cost from the below) = $3.9B.

Blood Test for Gender: Accuracy and How Early You Can Find Out

The interesting thing about "not having kids" so therefore my points don't matter is hilarious to me. I competed at a high level in hockey/soccer/tennis/running from 4-18, I think I have a good feeling on what "sports are about". Does your opinion on taxation become invalid because you don't have a CPA? I don't think so. Do I really need to have little Janey go out and play U5 soccer so that I can truly understand the competitive integrity of womens sports lmaoooo what a stance.

I've gone into plenty of detail on this, try to keep up. I've linked trans girls beating biological girls, but I've also stated that it's not limited to records. Anytime a trans athlete takes a podium spot that could have gone to a biological girl, they're stealing an achievement. Anytime they qualify for an event spot that could have gone to a biological girl, they're stealing an achievement. Anytime they take a scholarship that could have gone to a biological girl, they're stealing an achievement and quite possibly a chance for a free education.

Here's yet another example for you of a trans girl competing against biological women and destroying them in competition. This guy just won an all girl's race by 5 minutes and took a $5,000 prize. I guess money doesn't matter just like achievements, right?

Trans cyclist Austin Killips wins North Carolina race by 5 minutes

Austin Killips, a controversial transgender cyclist, won a North Carolina race by a huge margin of five minutes, prompting the runner-up to claim that her ability was "not comparable" and call for a special category for trans athletes.

www.breezyscroll.com

Do I have to do everything for you? It's easy to find, you really need to learn how to use Google.

What States Will Change Gender On Birth Certificate

For those who think it's easier to annoy you than to Google 'What states will change gender on birth certificate' themselves.

letmegooglethat.com

It's really not a big deal though. As mentioned there are plenty of other ways an athlete's gender can be established.

There was no falsehood pushed, I linked at least a few. Aside from Lia Thomas there's Mary Gregory, Tiffany Newell, and probably others. Again, you're hung up on records. Biological men competing against women is more than just records. Here's a list of many men taking women's spots and achievements in sports: Transgender Athletes Breaking Records in Women's Sports

The falsehood is that this is happening all over the place, one off events here and there do not justify charging parents $3.9B and having 300,000 incorrect tests. I do like how the list you proposed was of 29 times this has happened. Which seems a tad lower than the 100,000 estimated trans kids competing. Maybe it's not that big of a deal since we can only drum up 29 examples (that also include Canadian's lmao).

Really? Because I've had DM's from posters that have had quite a laugh about you on this one. I'm not sure you can see the forest for the trees here. It's quite easy to debunk a lot of your points. You continue beating dead horses that were shot down multiple replies prior. You're throwing out bogus numbers and passing them off as fact. I mean...you're advocating for biological men to compete against women in sports and you want to pretend they don't have distinct advantages. Where's the logic in that? Men have often dominated women in similar sports when they go head to head, this isn't new information. What you're advocating for isn't much different than an athlete juicing to achieve an advantage over their competitors and pretending that it's fair when it's against the rules.

Debunk? Please point to what has been debunked lol. Bogus numbers? I lead with sources, only when I ask you for sources/stats for your figures do you go search for them . Also I've proposed multiple times, maybe you've missed it, but why not adopt the IOC rules? What's wrong in that? It's based in science and developed so that there isn't an uneven playing field. I have nowhere advocated for men competing against women.

 

[Blazers46]

Australia did a pretty neat gun buyback to get these guns off the streets. Not to continue this further but there is multiple countries that have taken robust measures to keep their citizens safe that doesn't include militarizing their schools. Not to mention the idea that "laws only apply to law abiding citizens" stance only being used here but not other ideas further confirms the bias.



I worded it incorrectly - your goal is to have trans kids not compete in the gender they would like to.



Alright let's go back to my post (4,097) were I cited my sources, a novel concept in these parts. I think my typo my 2nd post on this topic said it was 300,000 (should have said 100,000) which actually makes my point even clearer.

1. 300,000 trans kids in the US - How Many Adults and Youth Identify as Transgender in the United States?
2. 1/3 participating in sports - LGBTQ Youth Sports Participation | The Trevor Project
3. Simple math 1/3 x 300,000 = 100,000 (simple calculator)

So, to reiterate for the 3rd? 4th? time - An error rate of 0.5% on 60M kids leads to 300,000 incorrect results which as we know is higher than the estimated 100,000 trans kids competing.

How did you establish that $3.9B is exaggerated? I was charitable to you and used the cheapest available blood test so that I wouldn't exaggerate the cost. I'll walk you through the calculation 60M (estimated children playing sports) x $65 (cost from the below) = $3.9B.

Blood Test for Gender: Accuracy and How Early You Can Find Out

The interesting thing about "not having kids" so therefore my points don't matter is hilarious to me. I competed at a high level in hockey/soccer/tennis/running from 4-18, I think I have a good feeling on what "sports are about". Does your opinion on taxation become invalid because you don't have a CPA? I don't think so. Do I really need to have little Janey go out and play U5 soccer so that I can truly understand the competitive integrity of womens sports lmaoooo what a stance.



The falsehood is that this is happening all over the place, one off events here and there do not justify charging parents $3.9B and having 300,000 incorrect tests. I do like how the list you proposed was of 29 times this has happened. Which seems a tad lower than the 100,000 estimated trans kids competing. Maybe it's not that big of a deal since we can only drum up 29 examples (that also include Canadian's lmao).



Debunk? Please point to what has been debunked lol. Bogus numbers? I lead with sources, only when I ask you for sources/stats for your figures do you go search for them . Also I've proposed multiple times, maybe you've missed it, but why not adopt the IOC rules? What's wrong in that? It's based in science and developed so that there isn't an uneven playing field. I have nowhere advocated for men competing against women.

Why are we talking about guns, I want to be outraged about tranzies and gayz.

 

[Blazers46]

If you’re offended, you are homophobic. Pretty normal homo behavior… in Toronto. No agenda at all…

 

[Irish#1]

How do you come up with this stuff? Gay penguins? Lol

Author of Kids Book about Gay Penguins Says Library's Removal is Unconstitutional | Headline USA

(Ezekiel Loseke, Headline USA) A homosexual couple that authored a book about gay penguins is suing a Florida school district, claiming that restricting access to their book is unconstitutional. The lawsuit challenges Florida’s anti-grooming law, according to The New York Times. The homosexual...

headlineusa.com

 

[ulukinatme]

Need to spoiler that shit up there!

Same crap is happening in Seattle and other cities I'm sure:

 

[drayer54]

Need to spoiler that shit up there!

Same crap is happening in Seattle and other cities I'm sure:

I love how the LGBTQ mob is so strong that they will literally defend fat old men on bikes in front of kids.

 

[Blazers46]

How do you come up with this stuff? Gay penguins? Lol

Author of Kids Book about Gay Penguins Says Library's Removal is Unconstitutional | Headline USA

(Ezekiel Loseke, Headline USA) A homosexual couple that authored a book about gay penguins is suing a Florida school district, claiming that restricting access to their book is unconstitutional. The lawsuit challenges Florida’s anti-grooming law, according to The New York Times. The homosexual...

headlineusa.com

If you have been following Toronto (the IE poster, not the naked gay parades) he has been posting about gay animals a lot.

 

[ulukinatme]

Australia did a pretty neat gun buyback to get these guns off the streets. Not to continue this further but there is multiple countries that have taken robust measures to keep their citizens safe that doesn't include militarizing their schools. Not to mention the idea that "laws only apply to law abiding citizens" stance only being used here but not other ideas further confirms the bias.

That's great for Australia, but they had a fraction of the guns that the US does. We also have the ability to 3D print guns now, so if someone is desperate there are alternative options. A lack of guns didn't stop murder suicides in China, they've just resorted to knives and other weapons. Again, the means may change, but the venue does not. Safeguard the kids and the guns won't be a problem anymore. It's much easier to get schools to adopt new regulations and security measures than it would be to try and confiscate all 400 million guns. The schools will be forced to comply, the citizens not so much. Can we please stay on topic though?

I worded it incorrectly - your goal is to have trans kids not compete in the gender they would like to.

Okay.
And there's nothing wrong with trans kids not competing in the gender they would like to. I'd like my kids to stop arguing with each other, but that's the reality of many brother/sister relationships growing up. Eventually they grow up, mature, and respond to logic. Trans kids will do the same.

Alright let's go back to my post (4,097) were I cited my sources, a novel concept in these parts. I think my typo my 2nd post on this topic said it was 300,000 (should have said 100,000) which actually makes my point even clearer.

1. 300,000 trans kids in the US - How Many Adults and Youth Identify as Transgender in the United States?
2. 1/3 participating in sports - LGBTQ Youth Sports Participation | The Trevor Project
3. Simple math 1/3 x 300,000 = 100,000 (simple calculator)

So, to reiterate for the 3rd? 4th? time - An error rate of 0.5% on 60M kids leads to 300,000 incorrect results which as we know is higher than the estimated 100,000 trans kids competing.

How did you establish that $3.9B is exaggerated? I was charitable to you and used the cheapest available blood test so that I wouldn't exaggerate the cost. I'll walk you through the calculation 60M (estimated children playing sports) x $65 (cost from the below) = $3.9B.

Blood Test for Gender: Accuracy and How Early You Can Find Out

Okay, so the previous statement was worded incorrectly (Not really, it was an outright lie), and this one was a typo.
You're still hung up on this thing from a macro level and have overlooked the fact there are other options I've listed. If I spend a minimum of $350 a season on my kid's sports (It's probably more, I don't tabulate every purchase) why am I ever going to care about a one time $65 fee? I spend more on football cleats, and those typically get used for one season. I'm not sure why that's so hard to grasp. You're really beating this $3.9 billion figure into the ground and you've missed the fact that the blood test is more accurate post birth while carrying a 99% efficacy during pregnancy.

The interesting thing about "not having kids" so therefore my points don't matter is hilarious to me. I competed at a high level in hockey/soccer/tennis/running from 4-18, I think I have a good feeling on what "sports are about". Does your opinion on taxation become invalid because you don't have a CPA? I don't think so. Do I really need to have little Janey go out and play U5 soccer so that I can truly understand the competitive integrity of womens sports lmaoooo what a stance.

Good for you, and your parents were the ones footing the bill for those sports. No one said your points don't matter, only that you don't have the same frame of reference. You're an adult with no kids lecturing us about the costs of children's sports and how $65 is going to break our backs. Please, tell me more! And no, I wouldn't presume to advise you in matters of taxes. On the other hand, if you had some skin in the game and you saw the tears in your daughter's eyes when she got cut from the team so a trans girl could play instead...perhaps you might feel a bit differently on the topic. Trust me when I say things hit very differently when you're actually a parent. "Fur babies" don't count.

The falsehood is that this is happening all over the place, one off events here and there do not justify charging parents $3.9B and having 300,000 incorrect tests. I do like how the list you proposed was of 29 times this has happened. Which seems a tad lower than the 100,000 estimated trans kids competing. Maybe it's not that big of a deal since we can only drum up 29 examples (that also include Canadian's lmao).

Apparently it IS happening all over the place if there are 100,000 trans athletes, they're just not all making news. So "only" 29 examples is not enough How many should I find for you before you would consider this to be a problem? No, don't answer.

Debunk? Please point to what has been debunked lol. Bogus numbers? I lead with sources, only when I ask you for sources/stats for your figures do you go search for them . Also I've proposed multiple times, maybe you've missed it, but why not adopt the IOC rules? What's wrong in that? It's based in science and developed so that there isn't an uneven playing field. I have nowhere advocated for men competing against women.

I've provided plenty of links to records being broken, trans girls competing against biological girls and winning competitions, and other links that you've completely dismissed. The bogus numbers were in reference to your "typo," but whatever. The IOC rules, quite frankly, are a backtrack from stricter rules and they're garbage. After pressure from trans advocates they walked back the 2011 regulations. There are plenty of global athletic organizations like the World Athletic Council that ban biological men from competing in women's sports, or in the case of FINA they disqualify any men that have at least gone through puberty without having hormone blockers. That would at least be better than the testosterone requirement, which is seriously flimsy at best. They've found that even a year after hormone therapy trans people retain a performance edge over there counterparts, up to at least 2 1/2 years: Trans women retain athletic edge after a year of hormone therapy, study finds

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

If you’re offended, you are homophobic. Pretty normal homo behavior… in Toronto. No agenda at all…

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@TorontoGold which one are you here?

 

[Irish#1]

Need to spoiler that shit up there!

Same crap is happening in Seattle and other cities I'm sure:

Doesn't this Brian dude know there are public indecency laws?

I'm gay and want people to treat me like anyone else, so I'm going to march naked in public.

 

[Blazers46]

Doesn't this Brian dude know there are public indecency laws?

I'm gay and want people to treat me like anyone else, so I'm going to march naked in public.

Gays are just normal dudes that have no sexual agenda, pretty obvious being naked at a gay parade proves that.

 

[drayer54]

Gays are just normal dudes that have no sexual agenda, pretty obvious being naked at a gay parade proves that.

If you don’t support dressing kids in the LGBTQIA2SPP flag and shoving them in front of naked old men, drag queens, and passing out hormone blockers like candy, you’re a dinosaur bigot who just doesn’t want the other gender playing sports.

 

[ulukinatme]

Doesn't this Brian dude know there are public indecency laws?

I'm gay and want people to treat me like anyone else, so I'm going to march naked in public.

I can remember when they just wanted to get married like everyone else, and that was fine. We're a far cry from that.

 

[drayer54]

I can remember when they just wanted to get married like everyone else, and that was fine. We're a far cry from that.

The slippery slope folks were mocked, but correct.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

One of my favorite Canadians of all time

 

[Blazers46]

The slippery slope folks were mocked, but correct.

The goal posts will be moved. We will need to be tolerant of naked gays admitting they are coming for your children.

 

[ulukinatme]

One of my favorite Canadians of all time

Norm will forever be a legend. Best comment: "I don’t care what anyone says, I am proud to be Swedish-German." IYKYK

 

[ulukinatme]

Bud Light is trying hard to backtrack. The other day they tried to revive the Bud Light Knight as an appeal. It reeks of someone trying desperately to get their ex-girlfriend back and they want nothing to do with them. This subtweet has exponentially more likes than Bud Light's lol.

 

[Irish#1]

Just heard on the radio that they may be giving it away for the holiday. Production is outpacing the consumption and it's going to become stale if it sits much longer.

 

[drayer54]

If you don’t do this, you’re a bigot.

 

[Irish#1]

Bonus hole? I'm not letting them steal that from all of us PIIHB guys. lol

 

[Blazers46]

My new signature for email will include my pronouns and what I call my hole….