Crist vs Rees

[koonja]

Reading comprehension is NOT over rated. He didn't mention anything about INTs, at all. I thought the same thing, when I saw the Cousins play. He's pointing out that people here have over reacted, at times, to mistakes that Rees has made, that happen to experienced college football QBs every week. But now Tommy has cemented his reputation as Turnover Tommy, and people on here want to jump on ANY T/O he makes, whether it's a dumb decision, or just a genuine fluke.

I think the phantom fumble is the last reason people want him pulled. It's the >2 TOs per game that he is responsible for.

 

[DCirishfan]

I think the phantom fumble is the last reason people want him pulled. It's the >2 TOs per game that he is responsible for.

this and beating purdue won't change my mind.

 

[DCirishfan]

10000 lb gorilla

10000 lb gorilla

I know I will get **** for starting this thread but I think it is that important. Great game all around, fun to not be on pins and needles. We will win easily over AF.


OK, Tommy Rees. Apparently anything resembling a fade route is entirely out of his repertoire. Additionally passes requiring touch seem to be insanely inaccurate. He is very good on short outs and slants and even screens of all types. The amount of fairly easy TD's that he missed today specifically to MF was just too much to stomach. It is entirely unacceptable. We can get away with it against what I consider to be a bad Purdue team or Air Force but mark my words missing those opportunities against Stanford and USC will **** all of us off.

So, the question is what does BK do? We are playing overall pretty well as a team and we are starting to score. I can't, lie I don't have a perfect answer. This is what I think right now though, watching his touch passes in the red zone is so frustrating I would prefer just running the ball or putting another QB in. It is that bad and it will bite us in the *** if something does not change. Does this deserve it's own thread, to some of you no. My contention to all who just saw what I saw is that TR is wasting some really good opportunities. When the athletes on upper tear teams see this they will play man cover often which will compromise our running game and have break off zones that will marginalize our underneath routes. Essentially forcing us to do what we should easily do well, throwing jump balls accurately to the biggest beast of a WR in the entire nation.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Aside from Floyd's TD, his long ball was very inaccurate all night. This game would have been a total blow out by halftime if he had connected on even 1-2 of those throws.

He's thrown good Fade passes before. TJ's 3rd quarter TD against MSU comes to mind. But you're correct that he blew several of those throws tonight.

 

[kmoose]

Some stats on Rees:

Going into tonight:

He's 7/11 for 45 yards and 4 TDs, inside the opponents' 20. QB Rating: 181.6

He's 5/6 for 29 yards and 3 TDs, inside the opponents' 10. QB Rating: 255.6

He struggled down there tonight, but he's passed well above average in the red zone, for the season.

 

[pkt77242]

Really we go out and kill a team and people are still bitching?

Of course he has things he needs to work on but really? Can the haters just give it a rest for a week.

 

[phork]

The fact that he is making plays is what keeps Rees in. Rees reads a better defense than Crist does. Frankly I don't see how Crist sees any more significant play time in his career. The question is moot. I would rather have Rees, with correctable mistakes, than Crist who just doesn't seem to get it.

 

[DCirishfan]

He is not good enough and it is painful to watch some of the inaccurate throws he makes. Plain and simple. Dayne C must just not get this offense at all or something I don't know. Stats shmats, MF could have such an insane night if TR just was OK with those throws that were so open. It's kind of a joke at this point. I mean do we think we will play USC and run them all over the field like a MAC team? The answer is no chance. But I suppose if our Defense and our run game is good enough we can get by, as long as he doesn't keep trying to force stupid passes in the red zone cause the secondary on Stanford and USC will eat his breakfast, lunch , and dinner.

 

[pkt77242]

He is not good enough and it is painful to watch some of the inaccurate throws he makes. Plain and simple. Dayne C must just not get this offense at all or something I don't know. Stats shmats, MF could have such an insane night if TR just was OK with those throws that were so open. It's kind of a joke at this point. I mean do we think we will play USC and run them all over the field like a MAC team? The answer is no chance. But I suppose if our Defense and our run game is good enough we can get by, as long as he doesn't keep trying to force stupid passes in the red zone cause the secondary on Stanford and USC will eat his breakfast, lunch , and dinner.

I am going to tell you this nicely. Stop. Stop it. Stop it now. There is not going to be a QB change and right now there is not a better QB on our roster. Yes Tommy has flaws, yes he sometimes makes stupid throws/bad throws. But he is the best option we have, so there is no point in doing this

 

[DCirishfan]

Merged specific topic is weak,

How is it bitching when there is a specific and real issue that speaks to our abbility to beat good teams and have as good a season as possible. OK let's just pretend that none of us saw what we saw and just sit here and have a big circle jerk. Did you see some of those throws ? Maybe we were watching a different game. Great game by BK and the entire team I stoked that we are playing tough and hard and are well coached. I just would hope I would see some development by Rees at this point with regard to the problems we have seen him have. If you don't think the coaching staff is upset about the same thing you are crazy. Why do you think BK kept the peddle to the metal after the game was sealed and delivered? It was not to rub it in it was to work on execution.

 

[DCirishfan]

I am going to tell you this nicely. Stop. Stop it. Stop it now. There is not going to be a QB change and right now there is not a better QB on our roster. Yes Tommy has flaws, yes he sometimes makes stupid throws/bad throws. But he is the best option we have, so there is no point in doing this

With respect as a fellow fan I will tell you this. I am not going to ever stop watching, evaluating, and speaking my mind in a respectable manner. I am not fully advocating a QB change but at the very least I am pointing out what I see as serious problem that will stop us from finishing off what could be a very good season. Incidentally you have absolutely no clue who BK will play. If he keeps seeing the same mistakes and it hurts the team he will make his decisions accordingly.

 

[Riddickulous]

28 point win?

With Hendrix we would've won by 100.

 

[pkt77242]

Merged specific topic is weak,

How is it bitching when there is a specific and real issue that speaks to our abbility to beat good teams and have as good a season as possible. OK let's just pretend that none of us saw what we saw and just sit here and have a big circle jerk. Did you see some of those throws ? Maybe we were watching a different game. Great game by BK and the entire team I stoked that we are playing tough and hard and are well coached. I just would hope I would see some development by Rees at this point with regard to the problems we have seen him have. If you don't think the coaching staff is upset about the same thing you are crazy. Why do you think BK kept the peddle to the metal after the game was sealed and delivered? It was not to rub it in it was to work on execution.

So you don't think he showed any improvement and played better tonight? If so there is no point in even having this conversation as unless Tommy is perfect you are going to rip him. Young QB's make some bad throws, and some bad reads but overall Tommy played a good game. Also you are acting like there is a better option on the bench. There isn't so we will win and lose this year with Tommy, get over it.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

With respect as a fellow fan I will tell you this. I am not going to ever stop watching, evaluating, and speaking my mind in a respectable manner. I am not fully advocating a QB change but at the very least I am pointing out what I see as serious problem that will stop us from finishing off what could be a very good season. Incidentally you have absolutely no clue who BK will play. If he keeps seeing the same mistakes and it hurts the team he will make his decisions accordingly.

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[pkt77242]

With respect as a fellow fan I will tell you this. I am not going to ever stop watching, evaluating, and speaking my mind in a respectable manner. I am not fully advocating a QB change but at the very least I am pointing out what I see as serious problem that will stop us from finishing off what could be a very good season. Incidentally you have absolutely no clue who BK will play. If he keeps seeing the same mistakes and it hurts the team he will make his decisions accordingly.

Actually Kelly has more or less said that Rees is starting for the rest of this year. The only way he is getting pulled is if he completely implodes. Yes critique but that also means post the positive not just the negatives. All you have posted is negative comments.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

He is not good enough and it is painful to watch some of the inaccurate throws he makes. Plain and simple. Dayne C must just not get this offense at all or something I don't know. Stats shmats, MF could have such an insane night if TR just was OK with those throws that were so open. It's kind of a joke at this point. I mean do we think we will play USC and run them all over the field like a MAC team? The answer is no chance. But I suppose if our Defense and our run game is good enough we can get by, as long as he doesn't keep trying to force stupid passes in the red zone cause the secondary on Stanford and USC will eat his breakfast, lunch , and dinner.

USC is extremely suspect this season. Tommy doesn't need to be able to blow the top of their defense for us to win.

USC will be similar to MSU. We'll stuff their run game, switch to a Nickel, and unleash the pass rush. They'll no doubt burn us a few times on long completions to Robert Woods, but they're honestly not that scary this year.

 

[DCirishfan]

To answer your question, not much. He played a bad Purdue team that will get waxed many a time this year. We dominated line of scrimmage and ran the ball at will. I don't think I ripping him but I am just being honest. I also don't think you know that anyone on the bench is better or worse. Maybe you are right maybe you are not. TR manged the game well and did not have a bad game for the record. Maybe read my specific point instead of just acting like I am pointlessly ranting. If he can't throw more accurately there will major issues. You can tell me to get over it till you are blue in the face and it won't change a thing.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

With respect as a fellow fan I will tell you this. I am not going to ever stop watching, evaluating, and speaking my mind in a respectable manner. I am not fully advocating a QB change but at the very least I am pointing out what I see as serious problem that will stop us from finishing off what could be a very good season. Incidentally you have absolutely no clue who BK will play. If he keeps seeing the same mistakes and it hurts the team he will make his decisions accordingly.

This argument is over.... Sorry. Your kind here is no longer needed. Tommy took care of the ball and put up big numbers. Thanks for coming, tip your waitress and don't let the door hit you on the doopaa on the way out.

 

[kmoose]

Merged specific topic is weak,

A.How is it bitching when there is a specific and real issue that speaks to our abbility to beat good teams and have as good a season as possible. OK let's just pretend that none of us saw what we saw and just sit here and have a big circle jerk. Did you see some of those throws ? Maybe we were watching a different game.
B.Great game by BK ....
C.I just would hope I would see some development by Rees at this point with regard to the problems we have seen him have.
D.If you don't think the coaching staff is upset about the same thing you are crazy. Why do you think BK kept the peddle to the metal after the game was sealed and delivered? It was not to rub it in it was to work on execution.

A. We're not a BCS NC contender. If you were under the impression that we were, then that is not a rest of the world problem, that's a you problem. That means it's incumbent on you to get over it.

B. It wasn't a great game by BK. The Red Zone playcalling was horribly predictable; run on first down, throw on 2nd and 3rd down.

C. A zero turnover game by "Tommy Turnover" has you looking for "some development"? Again, that's a you problem...........

D. It's pedal(a lever type device), not peddle (to vend or sell).

 

[DCirishfan]

Actually Kelly has more or less said that Rees is starting for the rest of this year. The only way he is getting pulled is if he completely implodes. Yes critique but that also means post the positive not just the negatives. All you have posted is negative comments.

He has said that, but he also said that about Dayne. What happened there? You think coaches typically come out and say hey your the started until I replace you? Really so the part about him throwing accurate slants, short outs, and screens were negative? Have you taken a few minutes to READ what I am writing? Guess not.

The one thing I love about TR is that he is very tough and stays with his eyes down field. This is what I think BK loves. Hey I hope I am wrong but I feel how I do. You are entitled to your own opinion and I respect that.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

A. We're not a BCS NC contender. If you were under the impression that we were, then that is not a rest of the world problem, that's a you problem. That means it's incumbent on you to get over it.

B. It wasn't a great game by BK. The Red Zone playcalling was horribly predictable; run on first down, throw on 2nd and 3rd down.

C. A zero turnover game by "Tommy Turnover" has you looking for "some development"? Again, that's a you problem...........

D. It's pedal(a lever type device), not peddle (to vend or sell).

4 words....

COULD.....NOT....AGREE....MORE.....

Way to sum it up, Moose.

 

[pkt77242]

He is not good enough and it is painful to watch some of the inaccurate throws he makes. Plain and simple. Dayne C must just not get this offense at all or something I don't know. Stats shmats, MF could have such an insane night if TR just was OK with those throws that were so open. It's kind of a joke at this point. I mean do we think we will play USC and run them all over the field like a MAC team? The answer is no chance. But I suppose if our Defense and our run game is good enough we can get by, as long as he doesn't keep trying to force stupid passes in the red zone cause the secondary on Stanford and USC will eat his breakfast, lunch , and dinner.

he isn't good enough? Did Tommy miss a couple throws, yes, did he make a couple of really nice throws, yes. I am watching the ASU vs Oregon State game right now and I have watched Brock Osweiler (who everyone is talking up) miss some throws and I watched Kirk Cousins earlier make some bad throws. You says "stats Shmats" but they do matter, because overall he played a good game and the stats show that.

 

[DCirishfan]

A. We're not a BCS NC contender. If you were under the impression that we were, then that is not a rest of the world problem, that's a you problem. That means it's incumbent on you to get over it.

B. It wasn't a great game by BK. The Red Zone playcalling was horribly predictable; run on first down, throw on 2nd and 3rd down.

C. A zero turnover game by "Tommy Turnover" has you looking for "some development"? Again, that's a you problem...........

D. It's pedal(a lever type device), not peddle (to vend or sell).

I disagree, on three of your points. I thought BK called a great and varied game and committed to the run. He threw two easy picks that he was lucky on, not seeing that is YOU problem. Purdue has a defense looks like a good high school team. Absolutely terrible not being able to evaluate that again is a YOU problem. Play calling is not one word again a YOU problem. LOL

 

[NDinL.A.]

Merged specific topic is weak,

Starting a new thread about the EXACT same complaint you had, and then complaining about is weak.

I'm not disagreeing that TR had some maddening throws, but how was your post different than anything else we discussed all week??? You already said your stance, which I respect (and disagree with - Rees is as good as we have, like it or not) are you that needy for attention that you couldn't just put it here or in the postgame thread? Do we really need another Rees thread???

 

[tommyIRISH23]

lol I have seen Tommy throw 40-50 yard fades with perfect touch. You can't just nitpick games, and come up with new problems that Tommy can't do, but he has done many times in the past.

We get it. You don't like Tommy Rees. Fine. But, you can't just make things up, and call him out for it. The kid is young, he is growing, I am sorry, but you aren't going to see Joe Montana come out of the tunnel with TR as a true soph. He will make more mistakes, but every game, he will/has gotten better.

Dayne sucks. Sorry to be blunt, hes a great kid, but he just doesn't have what it takes to be a QB for ND. He would, and hasn't ever been, more effective then Tommy is now.

No, we don't have an All-American QB. But we do have a game manager who is getting better. If I were you, I'd be more worried about SC picking our secondary apart, then Tommy Rees blowing the game...that's more serious of a concern

 

[DCirishfan]

Starting a new thread about the EXACT same complaint you had, and then complaining about is weak.

I'm not disagreeing that TR had some maddening throws, but how was your post different than anything else we discussed all week??? You already said your stance, which I respect (and disagree with - Rees is as good as we have, like it or not) are you that needy for attention that you couldn't just put it here or in the postgame thread? Do we really need another Rees thread???

Eh, I guess you are right about that in retrospect.

 

[DCirishfan]

lol I have seen Tommy throw 40-50 yard fades with perfect touch. You can't just nitpick games, and come up with new problems that Tommy can't do, but he has done many times in the past.

We get it. You don't like Tommy Rees. Fine. But, you can't just make things up, and call him out for it. The kid is young, he is growing, I am sorry, but you aren't going to see Joe Montana come out of the tunnel with TR as a true soph. He will make more mistakes, but every game, he will/has gotten better.

Dayne sucks. Sorry to be blunt, hes a great kid, but he just doesn't have what it takes to be a QB for ND. He would, and hasn't ever been, more effective then Tommy is now.

No, we don't have an All-American QB. But we do have a game manager who is getting better. If I were you, I'd be more worried about SC picking our secondary apart, then Tommy Rees blowing the game...that's more serious of a concern

Dayne sucks huh? And you are arriving at that conclusion from what exactly? We shall see, I will gladly apologize for being wrong if I am. Although your point on SC is good. I do think that may be more of an issue ultimately. Barkley IMO is the best QB in the country. Dayne in no way has been given enough time to determine that he sucks. Incidentally I remember saying a similar thing about N Montana and being threatened with a permanent ban. Guess rules are made to be broken round these parts.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

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[pkt77242]

He has said that, but he also said that about Dayne. What happened there? You think coaches typically come out and say hey your the started until I replace you? Really so the part about him throwing accurate slants, short outs, and screens were negative? Have you taken a few minutes to READ what I am writing? Guess not.
The one thing I love about TR is that he is very tough and stays with his eyes down field. This is what I think BK loves. Hey I hope I am wrong but I feel how I do. You are entitled to your own opinion and I respect that.

Yes, I have read what you wrote and until this post you were talking about evaluating but only posting negative comments. Um, that wouldn't qualify as evaluating (well unless you think he played the worst game ever). I would say that he does some other things well. He is very good at pre snap reads and usually seems to get the offense into the right play. He had a couple of times where he went through he progression nicely (in particular on the TJ Jones TD), and he was rather accurate.

Yes he struggled with fades tonight, but throwing fades that close to the endzone is harder then it looks. He also had two really ugly throws that could have been picked. Are there things that he could improve, yes, but I could say that about anyone on our team (well maybe besides Floyd) after a game.

 

[pkt77242]

Dayne sucks huh? And you are arriving at that conclusion from what exactly? We shall see, I will gladly apologize for being wrong if I am. Although your point on SC is good. I do think that may be more of an issue ultimately. Barkley IMO is the best QB in the country. Dayne in no way has been given enough time to determine that he sucks. Incidentally I remember saying a similar thing about N Montana and being threatened with a permanent ban. Guess rules are made to be broken round these parts.

Did you watch him vs ASU, he looked awful but not as bad as his O-line looked. I will say that Barkley is a top 10 QB and that my biggest worry during that game is our pass D not Tommy. Our pass D has looked average at best and Robert Woods could tear us apart if we don't improve.