Crist vs Rees

[GBdomer]

Will someone blow this thread sky high.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Will someone blow this thread sky high.

hahaha....come on GB. it's all in good fun.

 

[Buster Bluth]

Roger that.


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EDIT: why won't this show up in an image?

 

[pkt77242]

If HCTI says 6-1 one more time, my new life goal will be to become a moderator on this board just so that I can ban him. Then, I'll be able to ride of into the sunset knowing I made the world a better place.

It is about as annoying as you guys pointing out the turnovers over and over. Both are just a statistic that can be twisted. You say Tommy doesn't deserve all the wins and I would say he doesn't deserve all the turnovers ( int off TJ's helmet, wr running wrong route and maybe one of the fumbles). The fact of the matter is that the turnovers and the 6-1 record are just part of the story that each side is using to try and prove their point when the picture is much larger than either fact.

 

[GBdomer]

Buster fix your picture bro. It will prob. make me laugh so want to see it.

 

[BobD]

This stat don't lie....6-1

For some reason, you saying "6-1" is starting to remind me of that saying "Shake-N-Bake" from Talladega nights.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

For some reason, you saying "6-1" is starting to remind me of that saying "Shake-N-Bake" from Talladega nights.

These colors don't run son.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

On a more serious note, Matt at Her Loyal Sons breaks down Rees' Interceptions per Attempt here. It demonstrates that Rees is clearly improving with each game he plays, which corroborates with Kelly's claim that Rees learns quickly and only has to make a mistake once.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

On a more serious note, Matt at Her Loyal Sons breaks down Rees' Interceptions per Attempt here. It demonstrates that Rees is clearly improving with each game he plays, which corroborates with Kelly's claim that Rees learns quickly and only has to make a mistake once.

Shhhhh..... Don't say that too loudly. Crist Nation has finally laid down for a nap and we shouldn't wake them....

 

[Buster Bluth]

Buster fix your picture bro. It will prob. make me laugh so want to see it.

Well it was a nuclear explosion but it didn't work.

I guess I sorta feel like this guy instead...

 

[bigedefense]

6-1 Baby!!!! Stats don't lie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Say it one more time HCTI. I missed what his record is. LMAO

 

[bigedefense]

For some reason, you saying "6-1" is starting to remind me of that saying "Shake-N-Bake" from Talladega nights.

That just happened! I could hear that like a million times and it would still be awesome

 

[OlympiaIrishFan]

All Irish Fans love the 6-1, but it really masking the truth. He is 6-3 when he plays the most QB snaps in a game. got to keep those Tulsa and South Florida games out of the mix????

 

[Aerosmith777]

All Irish Fans love the 6-1, but it really masking the truth. He is 6-3 when he plays the most QB snaps in a game. got to keep those Tulsa and South Florida games out of the mix????

Not really fair to hold games against him when he came into the game playing from behind. That's almost like arguing a pitcher should take the loss, even if he came in w/ his team down. (I know it's not exactly the same same thing, but it's similar)

 

[OlympiaIrishFan]

Really? He took almost every snap of the Tulsa game. And the USF game he came in after half. What is the difference when a team goes down on the opening kickoff and takes a 7-0 lead, then the starter is playing from behind. Or 7-0 and then the other team fumbles and they score again and it is 10-0 or 14-0. Are they credited from playing from behind under that logic? Tommy took the most snaps in the Tulsa and USF game (threw a horrible pass that really cost them the game in Tulsa when the pressure was on, and how many turnovers in the USF game in 1 half??) and both of those games are conveniently left off because he didn't start. Still played more than anybody, but that 6-1 is what so many want to throw out. To me it is 6-3. He threw an absolut horrible pass in the endzone that cost us the game versus Tulsa, young or old still a horrible pass. And USF he was a turnover machine in one half! Sorry, I just can't buy it. I hope he gets better because he is our QB the rest of the way. I will support him, as I did at the Sun Bowl. But, seeing everyone put up the 6-1 is just not genuine IMO.

 

[kmoose]

All Irish Fans love the 6-1, but it really masking the truth. He is 6-3 when he plays the most QB snaps in a game. got to keep those Tulsa and South Florida games out of the mix????

I'd be happy to include them, if you will stipulate that the TJ Jones INT, and the INT at the end of the Tulsa game, should not count against him?

Even with those two INTs, his stats for those two games?

57/88 630 yards, 6 TDs, 5 INTs.

 

[ND4EVA]

All Irish Fans love the 6-1, but it really masking the truth. He is 6-3 when he plays the most QB snaps in a game. got to keep those Tulsa and South Florida games out of the mix????

Even at 6-3 he wins games 2x more often then he loses games....can we say that about Dayne?

 

[Aerosmith777]

Really? He took almost every snap of the Tulsa game. And the USF game he came in after half. What is the difference when a team goes down on the opening kickoff and takes a 7-0 lead, then the starter is playing from behind. Or 7-0 and then the other team fumbles and they score again and it is 10-0 or 14-0. Are they credited from playing from behind under that logic? Tommy took the most snaps in the Tulsa and USF game (threw a horrible pass that really cost them the game in Tulsa when the pressure was on, and how many turnovers in the USF game in 1 half??) and both of those games are conveniently left off because he didn't start. Still played more than anybody, but that 6-1 is what so many want to throw out. To me it is 6-3. He threw an absolut horrible pass in the endzone that cost us the game versus Tulsa, young or old still a horrible pass. And USF he was a turnover machine in one half! Sorry, I just can't buy it. I hope he gets better because he is our QB the rest of the way. I will support him, as I did at the Sun Bowl. But, seeing everyone put up the 6-1 is just not genuine IMO.

Yeah, but saying 6-3 isn't genuine either, b/c then you're disavowing Crist of responsibility for putting them in the hole to begin with.

And there is a big difference between coming into a game behind, and being the starter of a game when the opposing team returned a kickoff for a score. In the latter scenario, you're still the guy that got most of the first-team snaps all week and the guy your coach formed his gameplan around. In the former, you aren't. Rees came into those games playing from behind, after not getting the majority of the first team snaps, playing with a gameplan that was A. designed for Crist and B. probably had to be scaled back once he was in the game precisely b/c he hadn't been the first team QB all week.

I'm not saying his play in those 2 games are meaningless, but there're very good reasons that the QB who started the game is the one who gets credited with the final result. I can't look at him as 6-3. He's 6-1 as a starter, with play in two other games where he had some touble, but was STILL the reason they came back in at least one of them to make it interesting at all.

 

[OlympiaIrishFan]

I can see the TJ pass he hit him in the ear hole, but he under threw and horrible pass in the Tulsa game. That was 100% his fault.

Do we need to go back and look at all the passes that were dropped by defenders too? Tommy has been off this year, for some reason he looks to miss a lot of receivers. Looking at the breakdown of his passes this year on another post here on this forum it has been pretty clear. But, we need him to get better. YOu and others want to defend him on everything 6-1 etc. I am more of a realist, he doesn't see the whole field and that is totally eveident, he fumbles and throws more ints than most QB's in all of football-fact, he can run-fact, but he maybe our best chance right now and he has a quick release which are good things. We have to support him, he is our QB. But the turnover and this 6-1 mirage (6-3 when he takes the most snaps!) I still think our best overall QB is on the bench. One that can run, actually throw a deep ball, but has no game time in Andrew H. Oh well, I am going to lose this battle here. Too many will excuse the ints and no running ability of Rees. He has lead us to 3 game over .500 when he palys the most.

Remember that great Matt LoVecchio 7-1 as a freshman Similarities? The deal with Matt he played better as a freshman than he did as a soph, and he lost his job. I guess no similarities here, Rees won't lose his job.

Enough for me, I am losing this battle here. We all have to support Rees, we have to get to a bowl game and we need Rees to be the best he can be.

Go Irish! Take care of Purdue!!!!

 

[Aerosmith777]

He has lead us to 3 game over .500 when he palys the most.

...& 6-1 when he plays the whole game

 

[maybenextyear]

think we can all agree that there is no "right" decision. no matter what, there are going to be growing pains - whether it be rees, crist, or even hendrix or golson.

here's hoping the irish can run the ball so well they don't even need to go to the air!

 

[bigedefense]

Really? He took almost every snap of the Tulsa game. And the USF game he came in after half. What is the difference when a team goes down on the opening kickoff and takes a 7-0 lead, then the starter is playing from behind. Or 7-0 and then the other team fumbles and they score again and it is 10-0 or 14-0. Are they credited from playing from behind under that logic? Tommy took the most snaps in the Tulsa and USF game (threw a horrible pass that really cost them the game in Tulsa when the pressure was on, and how many turnovers in the USF game in 1 half??) and both of those games are conveniently left off because he didn't start. Still played more than anybody, but that 6-1 is what so many want to throw out. To me it is 6-3. He threw an absolut horrible pass in the endzone that cost us the game versus Tulsa, young or old still a horrible pass. And USF he was a turnover machine in one half! Sorry, I just can't buy it. I hope he gets better because he is our QB the rest of the way. I will support him, as I did at the Sun Bowl. But, seeing everyone put up the 6-1 is just not genuine IMO.

I thought Tommy played half of the game. Crist played half. that would be equal, not most of the snaps. When Tommy entered the game we had scored ZERO, and if I am not mistaken, we put some points on the board the second half. No points first half, points in the second half. Only difference--------Tommy. SO, shouldn't we say 6.5 and 2 by your logic?

 

[bigedefense]

I can see the TJ pass he hit him in the ear hole, but he under threw and horrible pass in the Tulsa game. That was 100% his fault.

Do we need to go back and look at all the passes that were dropped by defenders too? Tommy has been off this year, for some reason he looks to miss a lot of receivers. Looking at the breakdown of his passes this year on another post here on this forum it has been pretty clear. But, we need him to get better. YOu and others want to defend him on everything 6-1 etc. I am more of a realist, he doesn't see the whole field and that is totally eveident, he fumbles and throws more ints than most QB's in all of football-fact, he can run-fact, but he maybe our best chance right now and he has a quick release which are good things. We have to support him, he is our QB. But the turnover and this 6-1 mirage (6-3 when he takes the most snaps!) I still think our best overall QB is on the bench. One that can run, actually throw a deep ball, but has no game time in Andrew H. Oh well, I am going to lose this battle here. Too many will excuse the ints and no running ability of Rees. He has lead us to 3 game over .500 when he palys the most.

Remember that great Matt LoVecchio 7-1 as a freshman Similarities? The deal with Matt he played better as a freshman than he did as a soph, and he lost his job. I guess no similarities here, Rees won't lose his job.

Enough for me, I am losing this battle here. We all have to support Rees, we have to get to a bowl game and we need Rees to be the best he can be.

Go Irish! Take care of Purdue!!!!

Equal time in the USF game. Crist- ZERO points! TOMMY- 20 points!

 

[OlympiaIrishFan]

Aero, good points. I will stop the complaining about Rees turnover problems and lack of running ability. Hope he gets better, or we will just have to rely on the D to get us to a solid bowl game. We need Rees to play well, he is our QB. I am just not a believer in Rees. Hope he can get the job done. Like I said, I think our best QB is on the Bench right now. Andrew H.

Time for me to move on, we need to beat Purdue.

Go Irish!!!!!

 

[Aerosmith777]

Aero, good points. I will stop the complaining about Rees turnover problems and lack of running ability. Hope he gets better, or we will just have to rely on the D to get us to a solid bowl game. We need Rees to play well, he is our QB. I am just not a believer in Rees. Hope he can get the job done. Like I said, I think our best QB is on the Bench right now. Andrew H.

Time for me to move on, we need to beat Purdue.

Go Irish!!!!!

Yeah, I understand that. I don't know that Rees is the best QB on the team either, but I do think he's better than Crist, and I've never seen Hendrix or Golson play, so I don't know. I have to trust Kelly in that scenario that he's seen them in practice and knows what he's doing.

Rees does have to improve though, I'd be the first to admit that. The turnovers have to be cut down, and he needs to learn to make quicker progressions through his reads imo. Well see what happens down the road.

 

[OlympiaIrishFan]

6-1 when playing the whole game? Didn't we run the Leprecat in 2 of the games, and Rees was on the sidelines?

Enough is enough, Rees is the starter and will be the starter. Whether I like it or not, or how many pics or fumbles he has. 6-1 as a starter and he will take us to a BCS Bowl with a record like that.

Go Irish.

 

[Aerosmith777]

6-1 when playing the whole game? Didn't we run the Leprecat in 2 of the games, and Rees was on the sidelines?

Enough is enough, Rees is the starter and will be the starter. Whether I like it or not, or how many pics or fumbles he has. 6-1 as a starter and he will take us to a BCS Bowl with a record like that.

Go Irish.

lol, you know what I meant...

 

[kmoose]

I can see the TJ pass he hit him in the ear hole, but he under threw and horrible pass in the Tulsa game. That was 100% his fault.

The point of the Tulsa pass is that he should never have been required to throw that ball. He was a true Freshman who had already thrown 53 passes in the game. His arm had to just about be jello. Yet, by Kelly's own admission....... Rees was told to look at the presnap alignment and determine if Floyd was going to be singled or doubled. IF Floyd was singled, then Rees had orders to just chuck it up and let Mike go get it. Kelly should have known better. He should never asked an 18 year old kid to throw his 54th pass of the game into the end zone, when he could have kicked the FG for the win.

 

[OlympiaIrishFan]

Aero, I have to agree with you that Rees needs to improve. And he is probably better throwing right now than Crist. I really figured he would be better this year, not worse. He looks worse than he did last year, and I have been surprised by that. And disappointed. Thank God our D has improved during the time Rees has regressed. Wouldn't it be great if the D and the O are good at the same time? For me, could you imagine (and I think Claussen was a good QB with a bad D) Claussen/Floyd/Golden and our Defense now? Sick thought.

Anyhow, I hope Tommy has a great game to help his TO confidence this weekend. We need him to be good. We really need a QB to scare the opponents.

 

[anarin]

Kelly is gonna ride this out, his comment saying " If he is doing these things next season, it'll be unacceptable and yeah we'll need to get another QB in there"

(not an exact quote, but pretty damn close)