COVID-19

[arahop]

Forwarded a number of times:

Half of us are going to come out of this quarantine as amazing cooks. The other half will come out with a drinking problem.

I used to spin that toilet paper like I was on Wheel of Fortune. Now I turn it like I'm cracking a safe

I need to practice social-distancing from the refrigerator.

Still haven't decided where to go for Easter ----- The Living Room or The Bedroom

PS: every few days try your jeans on just to make sure they fit. Pajamas will have you believe all is well in the kingdom.

Homeschooling is going well. 2 students suspended for fighting and 1 teacher fired for drinking on the job.

I don't think anyone expected that when we changed the clocks we'd go from Standard Time to the Twilight Zone

So, after this quarantine.....will the producers of My 600 Pound Life just find me or do I find them?

Quarantine Day 5: Went to this restaurant called THE KITCHEN. You have to gather all the ingredients and make your own meal. I have no clue how this place is still in busines

Day 5 of Homeschooling: One of these little monsters called in a bomb threat

I'm so excited --- it's time to take out the garbage. What should I wear?

I hope the weather is good tomorrow for my trip to Puerto Backyarda. I'm getting tired of Los Livingroom.

Classified Ad: Single man with toilet paper seeks woman with hand sanitizer for good clean fun.

Day 6 of Homeschooling: My child just said "I hope I don't have the same teacher next year".... I'm offended.

Better 6 feet apart than 6 feet under .

And:

The best way to show the end to mitigation and return to normal is for the Prez have a MAGA rally and mingle.

We're all in this together.

Best Post I've read in a long time. LMAO.

 

[Irish2155]

Just canceled my MLB TV monthly subscription yesterday. Didn't see a reason to pay when no games are being played.

Damn I'd love nothing more right now than a spring day at the ballpark enjoying a lukewarm draft...

 

[Circa]

Hows it go? I imagine something like this:

Reporter: Now that we know we overestimated this thing what do you say to people who think you over stepped your bounds and shut down the country for nothing?

Trump: Given the information we had at the time the decision was made in the best interest of keeping the American people safe.

Maybe... But It would be Epic if he just pointed to his head and said metrics... and then walked out of the briefing.

 

[BobbyMac]

You guys act like Trump just winged this on his own.

I may not agree with how he handles things but his timeline is more related to what computer models from the NSA/DOD provide after they plug in CDC data.

The CDC is worried about ramifications of the virus spreading in a medical context. The NSA is worried about the ramification on how the virus and the actions taken against the virus affect the general population's behavior.

 

[TorontoGold]

1.) They had a meeting where they:



This was BEFORE they learned of asymptomatic transmission, which the article actually points out (but tries to point out after the fact). And as I've posted in another post of yours, hindsight is 20/20, but on February 21st, there was no such consensus. He couldn't have learned of asymptomatic transmission. The possibility? Yes. But it was not settled then.

2.) Dr. Nancy Messioneer

On March 9th:



And



Maybe she did warn of day to day disruption, but they seem to forget about these quotes as well.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/09...ut-impact-could-be-blunted-cdc-official-says/

3.)

The same meeting before they were aware of asymptomatic transmission? Ok.

If it was that day - Number of US Coronavirus cases: 26.

Not knowing of asymptomatic transmission and only 26 confirmed cases. Damn clairvoyant.

By comparison - Italiy: 20. Guess Italy was just negligent as well.

Italy did handle it poorly though. South Korea went into full lock down around the same time that Italy/US were at the early stages. Incubation periods were known at this time, which is why it was standard practice to self isolate for 14 days upon travelling.

Simply not testing to keep the case count down is not something to hang your hat on. We know the testing capabilities were extremely poor in the early stages and there was no wide spread testing. Easy to say there's no issue if you don't test for the issue.

4.) Jesus, I was going to point out some of the timeline stuff in this, but it's the same hindsight 20/20 as usual. They start with a paragraph about Trump was warned about asymptomatic transmission or something as severe in early January, then later they talk about an email string in late February from a scientist about the possibility in late February, as that was the "gotcha" when it happened a month later.

As an aside - On March 10th there were 750 confirmed cases of Coronavirus.

160 in NY.

This thing blew up. Should we have done stuff quicker? Yes. Should we have tested faster? Yes. Should we have done X? Sure.

But it's much easier to say that on 4/12 than it is 2/12.

I mean, there are reports of the lines at food banks. The increase in suicides, suicide prevention calls, child abuse, ect.

Let's say he makes the call in, let's call in February and he's wrong. No asymptomatic transmission, mortality rate is much lower, etc. How's that conversation go? And remember, at this point, the poster child for this virus is (in my opinion) Italy who had 26 confirmed cases on the 02/21/2020.

I think if you make the call "too early" in February, you look like a model country. See how everyone is lauding South Korea as the model country for this? It's obviously easy to say these kinds things now, but simple actions that could have been taken that were missed.

1. Not eliminating the pandemic response team
2. Consistently downplaying or calling the virus a democrat hoax
3. Using February to get mass production for tests

Those are steps that could have been taken before locking down the country.

 

[Woneone]

Hows it go? I imagine something like this:

Reporter: Now that we know we overestimated this thing what do you say to people who think you over stepped your bounds and shut down the country for nothing?

Trump: Given the information we had at the time the decision was made in the best interest of keeping the American people safe.

You can't honestly believe that's how it would go, can you?

For goodness sake, we just had a faux outrage over the use of the word "Big Mama" where "Uncle Tom" was trending on twitter because of the African American Surgeon General who works for Trump. In a briefing about the coronavirus.

The demise of the economy by the fascist, authoritarian hand of Trump would have run from now until Election day. Causing mass hysteria and panic for no reason, Trump showed that he's more enamored with the powers bestowed to him as the President of the United States than the well-being of it's citizens.

 

[Circa]

Bill laying out some facts.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">China is a dictatorship that, for decades, ( Watch Video )<br>Bill Maher Says Coronavirus Should Be Called the ‘ <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChineseVirus?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChineseVirus</a> ': ‘We Should Blame China’ <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/COVID__19?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#COVID__19</a><a href="https://t.co/g2yJgt0oRe">pic.twitter.com/g2yJgt0oRe</a></p>— World Updates (@Rntk____) <a href="https://twitter.com/Rntk____/status/1249270826639097857?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 12, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


I dated a Chinese woman about a year ago and she had 1 child, a boy. He was 17. She was sterilized and she couldn't conceive any more children. This whole Idea Is more crazy today than yester year.

 

[Circa]

You guys act like Trump just winged this on his own.

I may not agree with how he handles things but his timeline is more related to what computer models from the NSA/DOD provide after they plug in CDC data.

The CDC is worried about ramifications of the virus spreading in a medical context. The NSA is worried about the ramification on how the virus and the actions taken against the virus affect the general population's behavior.

I'm more afraid of acronyms then this virus itself.

 

[Woneone]

Italy did handle it poorly though. South Korea went into full lock down around the same time that Italy/US were at the early stages. Incubation periods were known at this time, which is why it was standard practice to self isolate for 14 days upon travelling.

Simply not testing to keep the case count down is not something to hang your hat on. We know the testing capabilities were extremely poor in the early stages and there was no wide spread testing. Easy to say there's no issue if you don't test for the issue.



I think if you make the call "too early" in February, you look like a model country. See how everyone is lauding South Korea as the model country for this? It's obviously easy to say these kinds things now, but simple actions that could have been taken that were missed.

1. Not eliminating the pandemic response team
2. Consistently downplaying or calling the virus a democrat hoax
3. Using February to get mass production for tests

Those are steps that could have been taken before locking down the country.

Don't disagree with most of what you said.

In reference to South Korea, a few things to keep in mind:

1.) It was a bit easier to trace, and their numbers may be a bit "inflated" as to success due to the epicenter of their outbreak at the Shincheonji Church of Jesus.

2.) Their testing was outstanding. The US absolutely flubbed this with CDC screwing up their tests (which has been procedure on these things before the Trump admin), FDA red-tape (again, before Trump). But those aren't things Trump broke, they were flaws in our system that light hadn't shined on yet.

3.) I see this statement about the Pandemic Response team quite often:

Three days later, Tim Morrison, former senior director for counterproliferation and biodefense on the NSC, wrote in another Washington Post Op-Ed, “It is true that the Trump administration has seen fit to shrink the NSC staff. But the bloat that occurred under the previous administration clearly needed a correction. … One such move at the NSC was to create the counterproliferation and biodefense directorate, which was the result of consolidating three directorates into one, given the obvious overlap between arms control and nonproliferation, weapons of mass destruction terrorism, and global health and biodefense. It is this reorganization that critics have misconstrued or intentionally misrepresented. If anything, the combined directorate was stronger because related expertise could be commingled” ( here ).

On March 14, 2020, John Bolton described the changes made to the team as streamlining. He tweeted: “Claims that streamlining NSC structures impaired our nation's bio defense are false. Global health remained a top NSC priority, and its expert team was critical to effectively handling the 2018-19 Africa Ebola crisis. The angry Left just can't stop attacking, even in a crisis.” ( here )

Politico Verdict:

Partly false: The Trump administration disbanded the “pandemic response” team, but some of the team members were reassigned to roles that included pandemic response

 

[Circa]

Italy did handle it poorly though. South Korea went into full lock down around the same time that Italy/US were at the early stages. Incubation periods were known at this time, which is why it was standard practice to self isolate for 14 days upon travelling.

Simply not testing to keep the case count down is not something to hang your hat on. We know the testing capabilities were extremely poor in the early stages and there was no wide spread testing. Easy to say there's no issue if you don't test for the issue.



I think if you make the call "too early" in February, you look like a model country. See how everyone is lauding South Korea as the model country for this? It's obviously easy to say these kinds things now, but simple actions that could have been taken that were missed.

1. Not eliminating the pandemic response team
2. Consistently downplaying or calling the virus a democrat hoax
3. Using February to get mass production for tests

Those are steps that could have been taken before locking down the country.

I'm not trying to be rude. Happy Easter BTW.
My question Is, are you apart of some Deep State operation?
I might be giving you too much credit at that, but you seem to have popped in from nowhere (after being around for 4 years) and have a political agenda that your trying to pass.

I'm just curious.

 

[TorontoGold]

Don't disagree with most of what you said.

In reference to South Korea, a few things to keep in mind:

1.) It was a bit easier to trace, and their numbers may be a bit "inflated" as to success due to the epicenter of their outbreak at the Shincheonji Church of Jesus.

2.) Their testing was outstanding. The US absolutely flubbed this with CDC screwing up their tests (which has been procedure on these things before the Trump admin), FDA red-tape (again, before Trump). But those aren't things Trump broke, they were flaws in our system that light hadn't shined on yet.

3.) I see this statement about the Pandemic Response team quite often:



Politico Verdict:

Yup, agree with you on tracing part. I've read that there's much more active surveillance in South Korea than what would be palatable by either the Left/Right in the US. Another good example is New Zealand, they've been able to manage this very well acting swiftly.

Yeah, the testing part is kind of weird to me. Trump made all these grand statements that anyone who needed a test can get a test. I know its anecdotal evidence, but my friend who runs a couple hospital's in Arizona is saying they're finally getting enough support to kick their testing into gear.

On the whole Pandemic Response team, I've read these two on it - https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-fire-pandemic-team/ & https://www.politifact.com/factchec...nald-trump-fire-pandemic-officials-defund-cd/

From my understanding it seems like the main issue is that the funding was cut, but the staff we reassigned to other parts of the NSC.

 

[Circa]

Yup, agree with you on tracing part. I've read that there's much more active surveillance in South Korea than what would be palatable by either the Left/Right in the US. Another good example is New Zealand, they've been able to manage this very well acting swiftly.

Yeah, the testing part is kind of weird to me. Trump made all these grand statements that anyone who needed a test can get a test. I know its anecdotal evidence, but my friend who runs a couple hospital's in Arizona is saying they're finally getting enough support to kick their testing into gear.

On the whole Pandemic Response team, I've read these two on it - https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-fire-pandemic-team/ & https://www.politifact.com/factchec...nald-trump-fire-pandemic-officials-defund-cd/

From my understanding it seems like the main issue is that the funding was cut, but the staff we reassigned to other parts of the NSC.

You do realize that Snopes Is nothing other than a political agenda right? For some reason that 'blog' has turned into a fact checking site with people that are funded through George Soros....

 

[TorontoGold]

I'm not trying to be rude. Happy Easter BTW.
My question Is, are you apart of some Deep State operation?
I might be giving you too much credit at that, but you seem to have popped in from nowhere (after being around for 4 years) and have a political agenda that your trying to pass.

I'm just curious.

lol Happy Easter man.

Nope, honestly forgot my login for awhile there and found it on an old laptop I have. Initially created an account so that I could navigate the recruiting pages better (the Caleb Kelly and Demetris Robertson threads were a nightmare). Have always had a deep respect for IE and the intelligence of the posters so my initial foray into the political discussion was to see what's going on.

I apologize for any snark that may come across in my posts.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Good grief, this country is headed for a divorce.

 

[yankeehater]

The ACE2 info has been reported since China, and it's the part that should really concern Americans. A large number of us have hypertension and ACE inhibitors upregulate ACE2.

Yup....that is why when this first hit our country they advised those on inhibitors to consult with their physicians about stopping or lowering the dosage on the medications until this is over.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Same people saying he didn’t do enough at the beginning were the same people saying Trump was racist for putting up travel bans. So please let’s not go down that road again.

The man had also just been impeached. No Democrat or media outlet would have supported anything he did. They had to be shamed into the stimulus package. Here we are on Easter weekend trying to get through this together and the But simultaneously does a hit piece on Trump and defends Bidens sexual misconduct. Lovely, and the wonder why they've lost half the country

This country is now permanently split in half. The conduct of everyone during this process that. This isn't going to end well years from now

 

[Circa]

Good grief, this country is headed for a divorce.

Please Interpret.

 

[Circa]

The man had also just been impeached. No Democrat or media outlet would have supported anything he did. They had to be shamed into the stimulus package. Here we are on Easter weekend trying to get through this together and the But simultaneously does a hit piece on Trump and defends Bidens sexual misconduct. Lovely, and the wonder why they've lost half the country

This country is now permanently split in half. The conduct of everyone during this process that. This isn't going to end well years from now

I will agree with Joe Rogan's take on Biden. The man has health issues that are not of his own accord. He Is someone like a grandfather figure that Is going through a health issue. No need to bash him but he doesn't seem capable of remembering what he's talking about while he's talking.
Who knows,.. but, it's odd the party wants him on the frontlines.

 

[Circa]

JPMorgan just upped their down payment protocol from around 10% to 20%. This Is an issue.
Good luck people.

Buy your guns and watch your loved ones.

https://thehill.com/policy/finance/492420-jpmorgan-chase-to-raise-borrowing-standards-for-home-loans#bottom-story-socials

 

[Sea Turtle]

Please Interpret.

The country is going to eventually split apart......like the Republic it was modeled after.

 

[Circa]

On what Issue? Lincoln was the last president that had the country under your understanding. What Is today's issue in your opinion? Minus Covid... It might need a redirect to the political side of the forum. I guess we all should check ourselves before we wreck ourselves...lol

 

[NDRock]

The country is going to eventually split apart......like the Republic it was modeled after.

Rome didn't split apart, it went Imperial.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Rome didn't split apart, it went Imperial.

And then it split apart.

 

[NDRock]

And then it split apart.

A few centuries later

 

[Circa]

Rome didn't split apart, it went Imperial.

A policy of extending a country's power and influence through diplomacy or military force.

Sums the whole Idea of us up pretty quigley....

 

[NDRock]

A policy of extending a country's power and influence through diplomacy or military force.

Sums the whole Idea of us up pretty quigley....

Definitely post WWII

 

[Circa]

Definitely post WWII

Not to sound cynical, but when Is the last time the World wasn't falling apart?
I would put a poll in but idk how.

 

[Circa]

Time to keep it real....
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[SonofOahu]

1.) They had a meeting where they:



This was BEFORE they learned of asymptomatic transmission, which the article actually points out (but tries to point out after the fact). And as I've posted in another post of yours, hindsight is 20/20, but on February 21st, there was no such consensus. He couldn't have learned of asymptomatic transmission. The possibility? Yes. But it was not settled then.

2.) Dr. Nancy Messioneer

On March 9th:



And



Maybe she did warn of day to day disruption, but they seem to forget about these quotes as well.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/09...ut-impact-could-be-blunted-cdc-official-says/

3.)

The same meeting before they were aware of asymptomatic transmission? Ok.

If it was that day - Number of US Coronavirus cases: 26.

Not knowing of asymptomatic transmission and only 26 confirmed cases. Damn clairvoyant.

By comparison - Italiy: 20. Guess Italy was just negligent as well.

4.) Jesus, I was going to point out some of the timeline stuff in this, but it's the same hindsight 20/20 as usual. They start with a paragraph about Trump was warned about asymptomatic transmission or something as severe in early January, then later they talk about an email string in late February from a scientist about the possibility in late February, as that was the "gotcha" when it happened a month later.

As an aside - On March 10th there were 750 confirmed cases of Coronavirus.

160 in NY.

This thing blew up. Should we have done stuff quicker? Yes. Should we have tested faster? Yes. Should we have done X? Sure.

But it's much easier to say that on 4/12 than it is 2/12.

I mean, there are reports of the lines at food banks. The increase in suicides, suicide prevention calls, child abuse, ect.

Let's say he makes the call in, let's call in February and he's wrong. No asymptomatic transmission, mortality rate is much lower, etc. How's that conversation go? And remember, at this point, the poster child for this virus is (in my opinion) Italy who had 26 confirmed cases on the 02/21/2020.

Bro, we knew about the potential for asymptomatic transmission since January. When I say "we" I don't mean some rhetorical collective, I mean my hospital's COVID team. Maybe we've paid closer attention since Hawaii has such a large connection to China, but our State apparatus put out its first official memo on 21 January. Our IP specialist has been tracking the research and rumors since word started buzzing in late December.

 

[SonofOahu]

Hows it go? I imagine something like this:

Reporter: Now that we know we overestimated this thing what do you say to people who think you over stepped your bounds and shut down the country for nothing?

Trump: Given the information we had at the time the decision was made in the best interest of keeping the American people safe.

Now you're just talking crazy talk.

Italy did handle it poorly though. South Korea went into full lock down around the same time that Italy/US were at the early stages. Incubation periods were known at this time, which is why it was standard practice to self isolate for 14 days upon travelling.

Simply not testing to keep the case count down is not something to hang your hat on. We know the testing capabilities were extremely poor in the early stages and there was no wide spread testing. Easy to say there's no issue if you don't test for the issue.



I think if you make the call "too early" in February, you look like a model country. See how everyone is lauding South Korea as the model country for this? It's obviously easy to say these kinds things now, but simple actions that could have been taken that were missed.

1. Not eliminating the pandemic response team
2. Consistently downplaying or calling the virus a democrat hoax
3. Using February to get mass production for tests

Those are steps that could have been taken before locking down the country.

We STILL don't have the widely available testing. That whole dog-n-pony show with the private-industry CEOs was complete bullshit; a typical TV production.