COVID-19

[Irish#1]

I'm glad you posted this. This is a recurring issue.
Most,.... want to say I'm a conspiracy theorist. This has been happening everywhere, every day.
It's absolutely criminal and I'm sorry I have to throw facts out to the masses around here.

If you read the article, you see they reviewed and removed it from the COVID list. Isn’t that what they’re supposed to do when they find an error?

 

[TorontoGold]

It's not just that one motorcycle accident. It's proof of just how far they will stretch to make a death a covid death. You think this is the only incident of someone dying from something clearly not covid but lumped in just because they had it?

Did you know that thousands of people have signed up for a covid test, saw how long the wait was and just left, only to be called and told their test was positive?

I'm not sure anyone knows what to believe anymore.

So, the crash was corrected and removed from the total death count. Who is "they", is this supposed to mean that any error in reporting to be done by strictly the Left?

Please show me the article/study that can support that claim about "thousands of people". Also, would that not be corrected as soon as it gets reported?

Does the responsibility of no tests being provided fall on the person who makes these claims "anyone who wants a test can get a test" "we have the best tests" or someone else?

 

[JurDocDuLac]

Did you know that thousands of people have signed up for a covid test, saw how long the wait was and just left, only to be called and told their test was positive?

Seaturtle, can you please tell me the source for this?

I have googled, but don´t find anything. Was it from an article?
Hopefully not a youtube video!

Seriously, this is worrisome and would like to know if it is real or not.

Thanks!

 

[Sea Turtle]

Seaturtle, can you please tell me the source for this?

I have googled, but don´t find anything. Was it from an article?
Hopefully not a youtube video!

Seriously, this is worrisome and would like to know if it is real or not.

Thanks!

There are many stories like this, verified Twitter accounts, Facebook and yes YouTube videos on this.
Clerical errors I'm sure but with this and the liberal CDC covid death guidelines (the 'they' Toronto was wanting to know) and the false and double positive results, Dr. Fauci looking worse and worse by the day......who knows what to believe anymore?

https://www.wsmv.com/news/mt-juliet...cle_f8cf60e6-c886-11ea-8ae0-4ffb48dc9a46.html

 

[TorontoGold]

There are many stories like this, verified Twitter accounts, Facebook and yes YouTube videos on this.
Clerical errors I'm sure but with this and the liberal CDC covid death guidelines (the 'they' Toronto was wanting to know) and the false and double positive results, Dr. Fauci looking worse and worse by the day......who knows what to believe anymore?

https://www.wsmv.com/news/mt-juliet...cle_f8cf60e6-c886-11ea-8ae0-4ffb48dc9a46.html

Curious on overall stats though, sure anecdotal evidence is there for miscounts but does it have statistical impact?

 

[Circa]

There are many stories like this, verified Twitter accounts, Facebook and yes YouTube videos on this.
Clerical errors I'm sure but with this and the liberal CDC covid death guidelines (the 'they' Toronto was wanting to know) and the false and double positive results, Dr. Fauci looking worse and worse by the day......who knows what to believe anymore?

https://www.wsmv.com/news/mt-juliet...cle_f8cf60e6-c886-11ea-8ae0-4ffb48dc9a46.html

Thanks for posting this.
Some of us already know the reality of the situation. Maybe?... this will start to make others look at the real numbers that aren't affected by politics.

 

[Circa]

If you read the article, you see they reviewed and removed it from the COVID list. Isn’t that what they’re supposed to do when they find an error?

They got caught. Of course they took it down. and?

Either we will see more stories like this or the stories will be on page 29 and only a few that really have time to research will post on it. The mainstream won't touch these facts.

 

[JurDocDuLac]

There are many stories like this, verified Twitter accounts, Facebook and yes YouTube videos on this.
Clerical errors I'm sure but with this and the liberal CDC covid death guidelines (the 'they' Toronto was wanting to know) and the false and double positive results, Dr. Fauci looking worse and worse by the day......who knows what to believe anymore?

https://www.wsmv.com/news/mt-juliet...cle_f8cf60e6-c886-11ea-8ae0-4ffb48dc9a46.html

Thanks Sea Turtle, for giving some sources.

Comes down to extrapolation from the anecdotal.

The devil is in getting to a credible figure from that to the "thousands" (which itself has a lot of jigginess on plus/minus sides).

Just not sure that error margins, whether deliberate, or bureaucratic sloppiness, or overworked under-paid temp work, necessarily lead to an invalidation of a much larger multi-sourced analysis.

And then going from that to a wider and deliberately coordinated effort to mislead is yet another big analytical step.

Thanks for responding!

 

[JurDocDuLac]

They got caught. Of course they took it down. and?

Either we will see more stories like this or the stories will be on page 29 and only a few that really have time to research will post on it. The mainstream won't touch these facts.

So we´re covered...

 

[RDU Irish]

https://twitter.com/ImDarrenDunn2/status/1282063464475828225/photo/1

I mean this has 3177 COVID deaths coded "Intentional and unintentional injury, poisoning and other adverse events" - Also posted that motorcycle reference earlier glad you got others to click on it.

Are people still arguing that all deaths recorded are OF Covid and not WITH?

 

[Circa]

https://twitter.com/ImDarrenDunn2/status/1282063464475828225/photo/1

I mean this has 3177 COVID deaths coded "Intentional and unintentional injury, poisoning and other adverse events" - Also posted that motorcycle reference earlier glad you got others to click on it.

Are people still arguing that all deaths recorded are OF Covid and not WITH?

Now those are very well put together graphs. We all need another V-buck bet.
What are the odds of the MSM posting any of this information?

 

[Circa]

More fake news... Not one thing in this clip was related to Trump's ability to step down if he loses.
https://twitter.com/i/events/1284941537860706304?s=20

 

[JurDocDuLac]

More fake news... Not one thing in this clip was related to Trump's ability to step down if he loses.
https://twitter.com/i/events/1284941537860706304?s=20

Right, that link goes to a discussion of mortality rates, although it has the wrong headline (as you say, about stepping down). They will change that link.

But I watched the whole interview and Trump really did refuse to say he would absolutely step down. Said something to the effect of "...We´ll have to see..." and alleged that mail-in voting is inherently corrupt. You can see where that´s going...

The headline is correct; the link is not.

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Edit - Worth watching anyway - an argument about U.S. mortality rates.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Thanks Sea Turtle, for giving some sources.

Comes down to extrapolation from the anecdotal.

The devil is in getting to a credible figure from that to the "thousands" (which itself has a lot of jigginess on plus/minus sides).

Just not sure that error margins, whether deliberate, or bureaucratic sloppiness, or overworked under-paid temp work, necessarily lead to an invalidation of a much larger multi-sourced analysis.

And then going from that to a wider and deliberately coordinated effort to mislead is yet another big analytical step.

Thanks for responding!

You're welcome.

 

[Circa]

Right, that link goes to a discussion of mortality rates, although it has the wrong headline (as you say, about stepping down). They will change that link.

But I watched the whole interview and Trump really did refuse to say he would absolutely step down. Said something to the effect of "...We´ll have to see..." and alleged that mail-in voting is inherently corrupt. You can see where that´s going...

The headline is correct; the link is not.

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Edit - Actually, Circa´s post is entirely unrelated to this thread, but ironically, the "fake news" link mentioned IS relevant to this thread.
Worth watching - an argument about U.S. mortality rates.

You are right. That was intended for the Trump thread....

 

[Circa]

So we´re covered...

WOW! So,.. you are apart of the we" crowd? Cool! Please extrapolate....

I'm still waiting for the red eye...


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[JurDocDuLac]

WOW! So,.. you are apart of the we" crowd? Cool! Please extrapolate....

If the "we" crowd is the "cool" crowd, and the "cool" crowd has anything to do with your avatar, then yeah...kinda.

 

[Circa]

The JDS has a great point. Reuters reported that "Russian Hackers are trying to find the vaccine information related to Covid 19"
Why are we hiding information related to the cure for the 'disease' that is destroying our country?


I love this guy!!!! The Jimmy Dore Show Is what we all need more of i n todays world...
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[Circa]

If the "we" crowd is the "cool" crowd, and the "cool" crowd has anything to do with your avatar, then yeah...kinda.

I have had that Irish mind avatar for a long time. Why are you talking about an avatar?

I really don't feel, or think I'm cool at all... I don't know what I am... Cool ain't it tho... You can probably understand that through some of the vitriol I throw out here to understand myself through at least 1 similarity that I know exists... That's even hard to understand at times

GO IRISH!!!

 

[TorontoGold]

The JDS has a great point. Reuters reported that "Russian Hackers are trying to find the vaccine information related to Covid 19"
Why are we hiding information related to the cure for the 'disease' that is destroying our country?


I love this guy!!!! The Jimmy Dore Show Is what we all need more of i n todays world...
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Circa I've never agreed more with you. I'm probably missing something entirely in terms of vaccine development and ownership, but what's stopping someone from doing what was for insulin and making the patent and usage charges nominal.

 

[DogDaysIrish]

Circa I've never agreed more with you. I'm probably missing something entirely in terms of vaccine development and ownership, but what's stopping someone from doing what was for insulin and making the patent and usage charges nominal.

Yup.

 

[JurDocDuLac]

I have had that Irish mind avatar for a long time....

I really don't feel, or think I'm cool at all... I don't know what I am... Cool ain't it tho... You can probably understand that through some of the vitriol I throw out here ...
GO IRISH!!!

You are your Avatar! (They made a movie about that).

And your avatar, Circa, is the coolest on this forum.

Proven, therefore: You are cool (inside, at least);
and we all can see that, at times.

And some of your posts are also cool.
But the "vitrol" as you call it (others say "fecal residue"), is not cool.

Looks like you´re moving to a balance (cool vs vitrol), though.

WE ARE ND.

 

[JurDocDuLac]

Circa I've never agreed more with you. I'm probably missing something entirely in terms of vaccine development and ownership, but what's stopping someone from doing what was for insulin and making the patent and usage charges nominal.

tldr: IMHO: For Covid, it´s not about the money, it´s about quality control and trust. Gilead is an example; vaccines will be the same.
And there is information sharing - US NIH, domestically and internationally, for example

Money, or not
Gilead has made the Remdesivir process available non-exclusively and royalty-free to several labs for production and distribution to 127 low-income countries, including access to further enhancements and certified ingredients.
Gilead does not make a penny from that.
(Labs and distribution in higher-income countries will pay royalties to Gilead, though low-end - the initial development is really expensive).

Quality control
By controlling which labs can produce, Giliead assures quality control over Remdesivir. Since it is a delicate IV product that requires delicate pure ingredients, it needs sophisticated and pristine production facilities.
Hackers and thieves are not likely to have such a careful production and sourcing approach, nor have access to process improvements.

Theft vs cooperation
A company can open up information to those it trusts, and there are many such agreements, despite a highly competitive environment.
But there are companies and countries you simply cannot trust. For example:
- China steals Intellectual property and then uses it however they want, including debilitating the US company that developed it.. They do so through State hacking efforts and by turning a blind enforcement eye to deliberate private-sector theft via violations of licensing agreements.
- Russia is not a government, it is a mafia. They will steal the info (via State or private), use it for financial gain and to damage to the US creator - and who knows what will come out of their process and production.

 

[Irishize]

You are your Avatar! (They made a movie about that).

And your avatar, Circa, is the coolest on this forum.

Proven, therefore: You are cool (inside, at least);
and we all can see that, at times.

And some of your posts are also cool.
But the "vitrol" as you call it (others say "fecal residue"), is not cool.

Looks like you´re moving to a balance (cool vs vitrol), though.

WE ARE ND.

Steal Your Face....Dead Heads Unite!

 

[Irishize]

Early data show AstraZeneca, Oxford vaccine elicits dual immune response against SARS-CoV-2
(Ref: University of Oxford, AstraZeneca, Bloomberg, CNBC, Financial Post, The Lancet, London South East, MarketWatch)
July 20th, 2020
By: Anna Bratulic
Tags: Top Story AZD1222 AstraZeneca CanSino Biologics COVID-19 Immunisation Clinical Research (R&D) Medical Affairs

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Preliminary findings published Monday in The Lancet showed that AZD1222, the COVID-19 vaccine AstraZeneca is co-developing with the University of Oxford, increased levels of both neutralising antibodies and immune T-cells that target the SARS-CoV-2 virus. Oxford researchers said results from the Phase I/II COV001 study, which began in April, signaled no early safety concerns, while the candidate vaccine, provoked a T-cell response within 14 days of vaccination, and an antibody response within 28 days.

More to follow.

 

[Legacy]

It’s official: No fans at Giants, Jets and Rutgers football games because of coronavirus

 

[Irish#1]

It’s official: No fans at Giants, Jets and Rutgers football games because of coronavirus

Unless we have a huge turnaround or a vaccine that is ready for the masses, I think this is how it's going to go for most sports for this year.

Testing of the ND FB players going well.
From NDInsider

One Notre Dame football player tested positive for COVID-19 earlier this month after showing mild symptoms, the program announced Monday.

Because the player, who was not identified, was displaying symptoms between the scheduled rounds of group testing on July 1 and July 15, an additional test was administered. The symptoms were identified through daily health questionnaires.

The player is self-isolating and recovering well, according to the program’s release. Through contract tracing, four asymptomatic teammates are also in self-quarantine.

The latest positive test result was the second to date for the Notre Dame football program since it started testing players and staff members in June. The first positive test, which also came from a player, was identified during the initial June 15-19 testing period. That player, who was asymptomatic, recovered and later returned to voluntary workouts with the program.

Notre Dame tested 103 players on July 15 and all results came back negative. The player with the most recent positive test result was not tested at that time.

To date, Notre Dame has administered 356 COVID-19 tests to members of the football program and athletic department staff, with two positive test results for a 0.6% positive test rate.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

It’s official: No fans at Giants, Jets and Rutgers football games because of coronavirus

Rutgers is used to it.

 

[Irishize]

tldr: IMHO: For Covid, it´s not about the money, it´s about quality control and trust. Gilead is an example; vaccines will be the same.
And there is information sharing - US NIH, domestically and internationally, for example

Money, or not
Gilead has made the Remdesivir process available non-exclusively and royalty-free to several labs for production and distribution to 127 low-income countries, including access to further enhancements and certified ingredients.
Gilead does not make a penny from that.
(Labs and distribution in higher-income countries will pay royalties to Gilead, though low-end - the initial development is really expensive).

Quality control
By controlling which labs can produce, Giliead assures quality control over Remdesivir. Since it is a delicate IV product that requires delicate pure ingredients, it needs sophisticated and pristine production facilities.
Hackers and thieves are not likely to have such a careful production and sourcing approach, nor have access to process improvements.

Theft vs cooperation
A company can open up information to those it trusts, and there are many such agreements, despite a highly competitive environment.
But there are companies and countries you simply cannot trust. For example:
- China steals Intellectual property and then uses it however they want, including debilitating the US company that developed it.. They do so through State hacking efforts and by turning a blind enforcement eye to deliberate private-sector theft via violations of licensing agreements.
- Russia is not a government, it is a mafia. They will steal the info (via State or private), use it for financial gain and to damage to the US creator - and who knows what will come out of their process and production.

You are correct. I believe some of the Pharma companies w/ vaccines in late stage development have announced that they will make them available at cost. What the pharmacies, hospitals & other dispensaries do to the cost from there is on them.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ing-non-profit-low-price-possible/5475329002/

 

[Irish#1]

You are correct. I believe some of the Pharma companies w/ vaccines in late stage development have announced that they will make them available at cost. What the pharmacies, hospitals & other dispensaries do to the cost from there is on them.

It would be a publicity nightmare for the company comes comes up with the vaccine and tries to make the typical profits.