College Football: End of an Era

[NorthDakota]

Hearing the next thing to fall is the three year rule before going pro. Not that I am necessarily opposed to a player having the right to decide, but much like NIL, it has the potential to see a lot of players wash out.

Very okay with them declaring whenever or doing the hockey route and let them stay in school after drafting them

 

[jprue24]

I guess the SCOTUS could take up a case on the NFL's 3 year draft rule. 20 years ago, the NFL beat Clarett on appeal to the 2nd court of appeals and the SCOTUS did not take the appeal. Sotomayor wrote the majority opinion, so that's one vote for the NFL or a recusal.

It's going to be tough to get past that it's collectively bargined.

https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/us-2nd-circuit/1111241.html

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

That's funny because I felt like there was a rebirth of excitement!

That lasted about three seasons...

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

Very okay with them declaring whenever or doing the hockey route and let them stay in school after drafting them

That would be a very interesting twist although I cannot see the NFL going for it.
If a player declares, they'd likely have to guarantee the team they're leaving school or drop a few rounds in the draft because the team is taking all the risk. Why would a top player do that? Slot themselves into round three money two years from now when NIL is paying them more.

 

[INLaw]

I guess the SCOTUS could take up a case on the NFL's 3 year draft rule. 20 years ago, the NFL beat Clarett on appeal to the 2nd court of appeals and the SCOTUS did not take the appeal. Sotomayor wrote the majority opinion, so that's one vote for the NFL or a recusal.

It's going to be tough to get past that it's collectively bargined.

https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/us-2nd-circuit/1111241.html

I remember going through that in some class in law school and the professor coming down on the side of it being pretty dubious

 

[NDRock]

I’ve enjoyed living in SEC country and hearing all the fans lament the “destruction” of college football. They pine for the good old days where kids had no options and were happy to do their bidding for a McDonald’s bag full of cash. Feels like a rebirth to me. Go Irish!

 

[NorthDakota]

That would be a very interesting twist although I cannot see the NFL going for it.
If a player declares, they'd likely have to guarantee the team they're leaving school or drop a few rounds in the draft because the team is taking all the risk. Why would a top player do that? Slot themselves into round three money two years from now when NIL is paying them more.

Yeah I don't think it would really be great unless you have the top pick and a prospect like Trevor Lawrence is a sophomore and you are dealing with a shitty QB class like the Kenny Pickett year or something.

 

[forkbeard3777]

I’ve enjoyed living in SEC country and hearing all the fans lament the “destruction” of college football. They pine for the good old days where kids had no options and were happy to do their bidding for a McDonald’s bag full of cash. Feels like a rebirth to me. Go Irish!

Yeah, because only SEC programs clandestinely paid players …

If you enjoy a two-conference system, the death of other conferences (Pac 12 and the ACC, which is currently on hospice), programs “without a home” (See Oregon St, Washington St), teams in conferences that make no sense whatsoever (Cal and Stanford in the Atlantic Coast Conference), free reign, unrestricted transfers, “pay-for-play” players, the death of bowl season, player opt outs, and so forth…then more power to you. The sport is a shell of its former self.

 

[NDRock]

Yeah, because only SEC programs clandestinely paid players …

Sure, Everyone Cheats

 

[forkbeard3777]

Hearing the next thing to fall is the three year rule before going pro. Not that I am necessarily opposed to a player having the right to decide, but much like NIL, it has the potential to see a lot of players wash out.

You can go to the NBA when you’re 19. You can go straight to the MLB from high school. Why not football? Everyone said Jeremiah Smith would be the top pick … seems pointless to force him to stick around and play Double A / Triple A football.

 

[jprue24]

I remember going through that in some class in law school and the professor coming down on the side of it being pretty dubious

I'm definitely not saying if it is or isn't a good opinion because I haven't read too much about it and I only have some, not a lot, of knowledge about antitrust law. I was pointing out that there is an appellate court opinion and a SCOTUS rejection specifically on the 3 year wait. One could easily point at spencer hayward's win from the 70s as a reason the SCOTUS would take it up this time.

I'm not sure how precedent works for a SCOTUS rejecting an appeal, but later taking up a different case/appeal on the exact same issue. Even without knowing that, precedent has been a fluid idea, so I think it's very possible someone takes another crack at it and the SCOTUS takes it up. It's why I mentioned Sotomayor writing the opinion in the carett case. Would the court take a case on which one of its members, in court of appeals, has already wrote an opinion on? If yes, does Sotomayor recuse herself? If she doesn't has anything really changed since clarett that could cause he to change her mind?

 

[ND87]

You can go to the NBA when you’re 19. You can go straight to the MLB from high school. Why not football? Everyone said Jeremiah Smith would be the top pick … seems pointless to force him to stick around and play Double A / Triple A football.

Cuz maybe you'd be squashed like a bug ?

 

[jprue24]

You can go to the NBA when you’re 19. You can go straight to the MLB from high school. Why not football? Everyone said Jeremiah Smith would be the top pick … seems pointless to force him to stick around and play Double A / Triple A football.

You have to be one year out of hs or 19 for the NBA draft. That rule is just as legally exposed. I think it's much easier to prove that fresh out of hs players can compete in professional basketball w/examples like, Moses, LeBron, Kobe, and Luka. You could also point to guys like Jermaine O'Neal, Jonathan Bender, and Darius Miles as players that initially struggled, but ended up with good basketball careers. It's just the NBA got sick of the bad press because more players weren't ready, than were. Korleone Young immediately comes to mind.

MLB is not a contact sport. I think that matters.

 

[Dale]

You can go to the NBA when you’re 19. You can go straight to the MLB from high school. Why not football? Everyone said Jeremiah Smith would be the top pick … seems pointless to force him to stick around and play Double A / Triple A football.

NBA is a contact sport. MLB is not even a contact sport.

Football is a violent collision sport

Yes Jeremiah Smith and other 0.001% of CFB players could make the jump, most others could not

 

[ColoradoIrish]

Everyone forgot about hockey apparently 😂

 

[NDRock]

You can go to the NBA when you’re 19. You can go straight to the MLB from high school. Why not football? Everyone said Jeremiah Smith would be the top pick … seems pointless to force him to stick around and play Double A / Triple A football.

NBA makes you go one year of college and MLB has minor leagues. I think the NFL prefers to use college football as their minor leagues to develop and get a good idea what kind of player they are.

 

[Armyirish47]

NBA makes you go one year of college and MLB has minor leagues. I think the NFL prefers to use college football as their minor leagues to develop and get a good idea what kind of player they are.

Absolutely, why buy the cow when you can get the sex for free.

 

[jprue24]

Absolutely, why buy the cow when you can get the sex for free.

My grandma used to always said that.

 

[Irishokie]

NBA makes you go one year of college and MLB has minor leagues. I think the NFL prefers to use college football as their minor leagues to develop and get a good idea what kind of player they are.

Unless it’s changed recently, NBA requires one year out of high school. Darius Bazley didn’t go to college and instead signed some contract with New Balance out of high school and then entered the draft the following year.

 

[stlnd01]

NBA makes you go one year of college and MLB has minor leagues. I think the NFL prefers to use college football as their minor leagues to develop and get a good idea what kind of player they are.

Yep. The three years rule is an NFL rule, correct? They like the system as it is.

I’m not a lawyer but lots of industries/companies/jobs set their own rules about training or experience or whatnot before they’ll hire someone. Why can’t the NFL? You do not have a constitutional right to play pro football.