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Chicago Gangland

I have no reference to gangs or the gang life but thought this story from an old Gangster Disciple was interesting. Maybe the natives of Chicago out here could weigh in since it appears that city is still struggling. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Lessons from 'Batman,' a former member of Chicago's Gangster Disciples - CNN.com

Wow. just ... wow.

It almost seems like he is pining for the heyday of organized street gangs in Chicago at times. I get the sense that he thought of himself as a mole with strong community values secretly operating in a corrupt, lawless gang that had started out as a legitimate community organization but became corrupt and violent over time.

You'll forgive me if I'm a little skeptical.

It's true that street gangs helped give some measure of community organization to some poor black folks in Chicago at one time. These were mostly people who, like Harris, moved to Chicago from the South with their families and, as recent migrants, had to find or build their own community. High-rise public housing like Cabrini Green only made that task more difficult, as people who lived there had no public spaces to take advantage of. They were all crowded into one of various tiny areas, without enough to do and nowhere to go, as Harris relates, and that made people ripe for picking by street gangs.

And certainly some members of street gangs did some good for the community. But former gang members frequently exaggerate that aspect of their activities, as if they weren't COLD-BLOODED MURDERERS when they weren't taking an interest in the youth of the community or doing whatever they wanted to portray themselves as doing.

My boss issued the order referenced in this article in a recent case (my friend and co-worker drafted the order):

Judge denies certificate of innocence in historic fixed case - Chicago Tribune

“Listening to Fields testimony, it would be difficult to distinguish the El Rukn organization from the Boy Scouts,” Biebel wrote.

I watched every minute of the testimony in Nathson Fields's post-conviction hearing. He is a COLD-BLOODED KILLER. He likely committed not only the murders he was convicted of committing but at least two others that I know of, and he was actively trying to rise up in the El-Rukn organization by taking on more "muscle" assignments. Listening to him sit up on the stand and portray himself as some kind of Santa Claus-like character who helped and worked with troubled young kids in the community was just stunning ... the nerve this guy had! When there was overwhelming evidence that he was El-Rukn muscle.

Then the prosecutor went after him on cross and ... yikes. Obviously the State's Attorney's office broke out the big guns for this case, because if Fields won his certificate of innocence he would have a great civil case against the city for monetary compensation for the years he spent in prison. The first-chair prosecutor was one of the top lawyers in the office. This guy thundered away at the witness for hours. Fields sat there and answered every question calmly and coolly like the gentle person he was claiming to be ... and then finally he broke. The prosecutor hounded him about previous frivolous lawsuits he'd filed, asking him who he'd named in the suit, and Fields looked at the prosecutor and said with PURE MALICE in his face and voice, "I named you."

No one looks like a killer on the stand. Almost never. It's not like in the movies. These old gangsters typically look and sound like old uncles and grandpas. You very rarely see the evil come out. This prosecutor succeeded in getting Fields to break character though. One of the most chilling moments of my life.

What's the point of this story? It's that I've seen this before, this routine of the old gangbanger who claims he was a pillar of his community even while he was gangbanging. I didn't buy it then. I don't buy it now.
 
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The gang violence is isolated and it doesn't interrupt the day to day lives of most residents. The only time the crime rate/violence even crosses my mind is when I read national news stories, like the one you posted. Don't get me wrong, I'm not in a denial about the crime rates, it's just that the threat of crime doesn't stop me from doing anything in particular. Maybe I'm naive, maybe I'm just used to my environment or maybe it's a combination of both.

The city is struggling but it is far from irreparable. I don't know how to fix the problem but I can tell you where I'd start - public school system reform. The Chicago Public School system is all dicked up - it's a money pit, nobody is learning and the teacher's union is unreasonable. It forces young professionals, who prefer raising families and living in the city, to move to the suburbs where they can take advantage of public schools. Use the tax dollars to provide quality schools and it'll keep the payers within the city limits and attract more people who prefer an urban lifestyle. I'm oversimplifying but increasing the tax base and cutting frivolous spending would be a good start.
 
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I have no reference to gangs or the gang life but thought this story from an old Gangster Disciple was interesting. Maybe the natives of Chicago out here could weigh in since it appears that city is still struggling. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Lessons from 'Batman,' a former member of Chicago's Gangster Disciples - CNN.com

If you are truly that interested in acquiring knowledge of black inner city Chicago, I suggest you start with a sports documentary HOOP DREAMS. Done in 1994, it follows six years in the lives of two black teenagers who are recruited to play basketball for St. Joseph's High School in a suburb of Chicago(Isiah Thomas was an alum of this Christian Brothers school). This film raises many pertinent issues surrounding race and the geography of Chicago neighborhoods like Cabrini Green and west Garfield Park. Having spent much time in both of these communities, I have both anger, fondness, and respect for this film's portrayal of my Chicago.
 

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The gang violence is isolated and it doesn't interrupt the day to day lives of most residents. The only time the crime rate/violence even crosses my mind is when I read national news stories, like the one you posted. Don't get me wrong, I'm not in a denial about the crime rates, it's just that the threat of crime doesn't stop me from doing anything in particular. Maybe I'm naive, maybe I'm just used to my environment or maybe it's a combination of both.

Yeah, I think a lot of people outside Chicago don't realize how socioeconomically segregated the city still is, and the crime is mostly confined to certain areas. In my neighborhood, people don't lock their doors. Parts of Chicago's North Side (NOT the whole North Side -- Uptown and east Rogers Park are a bit rough) are safer than any part of any big city anywhere in North America except Toronto. If it weren't for my job, street gangs in Chicago would have no impact on my life. On the South and West Sides, different story.

Crime in Chicago in general is not as bad as our national reputation. We have more total murders than New York, which is why we have such a bad rep, but our violent crime rate is lower than in many other big cities across the country. Those cities don't get the notoriety because they have fewer people, and, correspondingly, their total number of murders is lower. We have fewer murders per inhabitant than Philadelphia, St. Louis, and numerous other cities. The news media is finally starting to recognize this. (And by the way, I don't mean that crime isn't bad in Chicago ... it is bad. But the national news media has blown it a bit out of proportion over the past year or so, that's all I'm saying.)

The other thing we should emphasize is that street gangs today are NOT like they were in the 80's and early 90's, the period Harris was writing about. They don't have mafia-style, hierarchical organization like they used to. The main gangs are splintered into tons of smaller groups. I had a case where a South Side Black P Stone testified against a North Side Black P Stone, and when one of the attorneys asked him why he would testify against a member of the same gang, he said, "Ain't the same, really." This is not the Sopranos or the Wire. It's more like Boyz n the Hood.
 
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If you guys want a true indication of what goes on in an inner city high school take a listen.
Its a long segment, however it gives great insight to what our kids/teachers/admins deal with:

Harper High School, Part One | This American Life

Harper High School, Part Two | This American Life

These are amazing. I highly recommend them, too. I worked in a small way on the Siretha White murder, mentioned in the show. Heartbreaking to see how something like that that took place years ago is still affecting the kids who were at that party today.
 
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