Chansi Stuckey - WR Coach

[Grahambo]

I mean, he's got a month to prepare, should be plenty of time. But...

Are we sure we want Parker working overtime on anything? Seems like he's the kind of guy who's in the less is more category for now.

Well, if Gino is pass game coordinator and presumably DMC or Rudolph helping with the run game, he could take it on.

Curious if this is a foreshadowing.

 

[irishff1014]

And just yesterday MF was telling us how he loved continuity. Some folks need to quit taking everything literally and read between the lines or listen to what he didn't say.

We should. Just like he says the team will be prepared…..

 

[irishff1014]

Never a good situation to be in where players are forcing your hand on anything. Warped power dynamics, etc.

That’s what’s happens when you got hired that way.

 

[irishff1014]

Freeman had attended a seminar about the future of sports S&C using more science & less of the current methods. It involved more healing, less max exertion, “smarter, not harder” methods.
The problem is, current S&C is science-based, tested, & proven to be very effective.
They have already removed the old barbaric methods of destruction & geared it more towards leaner, better conditioned, properly recovered muscles, focusing on the full mechanics of ligaments, tendons, all tissue, etc…working together.

So all the things Freeman wanted to move forward have already been done, but the rigors & tough-ass workouts were still part of the program. You HAVE to have that. Like in MMA we moved away from daily sparring because it was too much, but we had to keep some sparring, with at least one 100% full go session a week. It’s a must to keep some of the element.

Balis was running an excellent modern S&C program.
Freeman wanted him to adjust to the S&C program he saw at the seminar & Balis was honest & said he couldn’t do that.

So your saying Freeman wanted to make the S&C program softer.

 

[FDNYIrish1]

Freeman had attended a seminar about the future of sports S&C using more science & less of the current methods. It involved more healing, less max exertion, “smarter, not harder” methods.
The problem is, current S&C is science-based, tested, & proven to be very effective.
They have already removed the old barbaric methods of destruction & geared it more towards leaner, better conditioned, properly recovered muscles, focusing on the full mechanics of ligaments, tendons, all tissue, etc…working together.

So all the things Freeman wanted to move forward have already been done, but the rigors & tough-ass workouts were still part of the program. You HAVE to have that. Like in MMA we moved away from daily sparring because it was too much, but we had to keep some sparring, with at least one 100% full go session a week. It’s a must to keep some of the element.

Balis was running an excellent modern S&C program.
Freeman wanted him to adjust to the S&C program he saw at the seminar & Balis was honest & said he couldn’t do that.

See, this is the shit that drives me nuts about the field. In S&C, the field has always been ahead of the science. Recently there’s been an influx of PTs coming in and trying to reinvent the wheel. Football strength and conditioning is actually pretty straight forward. You know the time-motion analysis, and structure your program accordingly based on position group. The recovery and nutrition spaces have come a long way but you still have to train to overload. Be guided by the metrics but not blinded by them. I’m sure you’re familiar with Joel Jamiesons work being in the fight game. The guy is brilliant on energy systems development. Old school guys like Balis with the intelligence to incorporate the science part are invaluable to a program. Damn I’m disappointed to read this was the case.

 

[Reaper97]

I always thought Balis' program was quite modernized. The players definitely maintained some juice throughout the season, and wouldn't wear down by the fourth quarter like we saw his his predecessor, Paul Longo.

There also had been some excellent combine numbers posted by many ND athletes.

Thanks for the information.

It seems Freeman wanted to stay ahead on what is modern when it comes to S&C.

I personally thought Balis was doing an excellent job.
He combined both facets.

 

[Reaper97]

See, this is the shit that drives me nuts about the field. In S&C, the field has always been ahead of the science. Recently there’s been an influx of PTs coming in and trying to reinvent the wheel. Football strength and conditioning is actually pretty straight forward. You know the time-motion analysis, and structure your program accordingly based on position group. The recovery and nutrition spaces have come a long way but you still have to train to overload. Be guided by the metrics but not blinded by them. I’m sure your familiar with Joel Jamiesons work being in the fight game. The guy is brilliant on energy systems development. Old school guys like Balis with the intelligence to incorporate the science part are invaluable to a program. Damn I’m disappointed to read this was the case.

Yeah, Balis did a great job modernizing his old school approach with the right amount of science, but keeping the core of what has been proven to work.
When I was in medical research, a thing called EBM (Evidence Based Medicine) was being taught. Basically, after years and years of research, we realized that we needed to stop overthinking stuff & just look at what was working. The science might suggest one thing, but what actually was happening suggested another. So we should probably look at what was actually happening (thus Evidence Based Medicine).
That’s how I feel about all the mumbo-jumbo out there with people trying to push some “new science” in S&C. What Balis was doing was working.

 

[Irish#1]

Never a good situation to be in where players are forcing your hand on anything. Warped power dynamics, etc.

I agree, but on the other hand, it puts the onus on the players to step up.

 

[PutuporShutup]

I think it’s pretty funny how Driskell loved Stuckey before, & talked about how awesome he was all the time.
Freeman lets him go, now Parker sucks.
Freeman keeps Parker, Driskell defends Parker all day.
Blames Stuckey for which WRs played, yet doesn’t acknowledge that the OC (Parker) can overrule Stuckey, & the HC (Freeman) can overrule everyone.
If it was that big of a problem, why didn’t Parker (thus Freeman’s responsibility) or Freeman himself handle it?
Driskell doing Driskell things.
Waiting for him to blame Jeff Quinn for all of this.

The constant is driskell loves freeman and everything freeman does

I’m good with blaming Stuckey for the lack of development but not on who plays. like you said, there’s an established snap plan and role developed collectively during the week that Parker and freeman agree to.

 

[PutuporShutup]

Freeman did state “until replacement is in place” but obviously can’t take anything freeman says seriously right now.

 

[IAIrish]

Freeman had attended a seminar about the future of sports S&C using more science & less of the current methods. It involved more healing, less max exertion, “smarter, not harder” methods.
The problem is, current S&C is science-based, tested, & proven to be very effective.
They have already removed the old barbaric methods of destruction & geared it more towards leaner, better conditioned, properly recovered muscles, focusing on the full mechanics of ligaments, tendons, all tissue, etc…working together.

So all the things Freeman wanted to move forward have already been done, but the rigors & tough-ass workouts were still part of the program. You HAVE to have that. Like in MMA we moved away from daily sparring because it was too much, but we had to keep some sparring, with at least one 100% full go session a week. It’s a must to keep some of the element.

Balis was running an excellent modern S&C program.
Freeman wanted him to adjust to the S&C program he saw at the seminar & Balis was honest & said he couldn’t do that.

Without knowing the specifics of their disagreement and resulting in Balis' untimely departure, I'm skeptical.

Reports from fall camp were that practices were easily the most physical the entire beat (save prister) had seen. What the beat witnessed and the insinuation that Freeman wanted a toned down s&c program don't align. Unless Freeman believed that actually playing football would develop kids better than a s&c element.

 

[dublinirish]

 

[anarin]

He was born in West Virginia and went to school in Kentucky. That might say it all.

Sounds like someone doesn't know the history of wv born coaches

 

[irishff1014]

I don't know enough about Mike Brown but i do that Freeman needs to branch out some or we are going to be back in the Kelly era of hiring friends. Parker 2.0

 

[DillonHall]

Good decision by Marcus. The WRs simply have not been good enough. Chansi entered into a bad situation, but you have to get results quickly in this business

 

[ThePiombino]

Who was better at their job this year? Chansi or Porker?

Chansi was handed the keys to a Pinto. Parker was given the keys to a Porsche. Which one would you expect more from on the track?

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[Te'o4Heisman]

Chansi was handed the keys to a Pinto. Parker was given the keys to a Porsche. Which one would you expect more from on the track?

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This is conpletely not true. Yes the RB room is stacked, we had a good and experienced QB amd one of the best LT in college football, but you cant say the WR are a pinto but the offense as a whole is a porsche in modern college football. Not to mention the TEs were all inexperienced although talented, the interior OL was suspect and RT underachieved and doesnt seem to have a killer instinct whoop the man across from him every play mentality. At best Porker had somewhere between a Kia Stinger and BMW 5 series.

 

[StPaul_Irish]

I think Chansi had issues with Geraldine Porker and MF got rid of his not friend.

Half serious

 

[ThePiombino]

I think Chansi had issues with Geraldine Porker and MF got rid of his not friend.

Half serious

I was actually just thinking the same thing. I wondered if maybe Chansi confronted MF about Parker's ineptitude and MF was forced to pick a side...

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[PANDFAN]

I’m not super familiar with the in-game dynamics of substitutions, but does the position coach decide which WRs are on the field on a given play?

It's just like deland.... choosing who they want in rotation

 

[ColinKSU]

Well, if Gino is pass game coordinator and presumably DMC or Rudolph helping with the run game, he could take it on.

Curious if this is a foreshadowing.

I had the misfortune to watch Driskell’s show today, and when he wasn’t going after Chansi, he was going extremely out of his way to imply that Gino is a problem.

 

[Kingbish01]

Keep the S&C simple. Whatever UGA and Bama are doing....do that!

 

[ColinKSU]

It’s pretty amusing to see someone on the II board dig this post from Nov. 4 back up to point out how little the beat actually knows.

 

[ulukinatme]

I mean...if ever there was a year to give a coach a pass, given all the injuries the position sustained, I would think this would be the year. Stuckey brought in some good talent and had to coach up some young guys in Greathouse and Rico, as well as Faison. They did pretty well given the circumstances. I can't believe Porker is going to get even more responsibility right now...make it make sense.

 

[EvilleIrish]

Brady Quinn not happy with the move

 

[Reaper97]

Without knowing the specifics of their disagreement and resulting in Balis' untimely departure, I'm skeptical.

Reports from fall camp were that practices were easily the most physical the entire beat (save prister) had seen. What the beat witnessed and the insinuation that Freeman wanted a toned down s&c program don't align. Unless Freeman believed that actually playing football would develop kids better than a s&c element.

You can be skeptical all you want.
That’s what happened.
Freeman even talked about the vision he had working with a doctor at ND and moving in that direction during one of his offseason pressers.
Being physical in practice is not the same as off-season & in-season S&C.
HUGE difference.

But I guess Freeman openly talking about wanting to move in that direction, Balis stepping down because he said he didn’t feel he could provide S&C to ND players under the new program, players discussing it to sites & multiple insiders confirming this, is all just a coincidence.

 

[dublinirish]

Brady Quinn not happy with the move

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[IRISHDODGER]

A lot of people were questioning our WR’s doing drills on one foot too even NFL guys asking what the point was

It wasn’t to strengthen hamstrings. Just a joke to lighten the mood. I AM NOT BLAMING THAT ON THE HAMSTRING ISSUE. You know why…b/c I’m a fan that has zero clue what goes on in coaches meetings, trainer’s room, practice, weight room etc.

 

[Te'o4Heisman]

Something just seems off here. So abrupt, obviously not mutual, and so many different conflicting accounts of him and his relationships with players. Do his guys like him or not like him? good guy or not? If players like him and its about development either you have somebody tee’d up already or why do this now?

 

[IrishBoognish]

Something just seems off here. So abrupt, obviously not mutual, and so many different conflicting accounts of him and his relationships with players. Do his guys like him or not like him? good guy or not? If players like him and its about development either you have somebody tee’d up already or why do this now?

Loy alluded very strongly that Merriweather and James were likely gonna bounce because of him. And now it's a wait and see.

Freeman said very clearly he wasn't happy with development.

I know the guys were freshman and did relatively well considering. But we have been complaing *all season* that there was zero separation nearly all the time.

I'm not sure how much more clear the situation could be.