Carroll cries foul

[devolg]

Pete Carroll watched the game films today and was adamant that Taylor Mays' two late-hit penalties were not legitimate calls.
``Taylor's were legit football plays and never should have been called,'' Carroll said.
Carroll also said tailback Joe McKnight got hit ``five steps'' out of bounds on a first quarter play but no flag was thrown.
He was also upset about Notre Dame's fake field goal, saying the Pac-10 agreed to ban such plays and require players within 15 yards of a huddle. He said game films showed a Notre Dame pretending to come out of the game and hanging around the sideline.
He conceded that Notre Dame was a nonconference game, so different rules could apply to the Pac-10 crew. And Cal ran a similar play against USC two weeks ago, so apparently the officials are allowing it in conference games too.
Carroll is hoping to speak to Pac-10 supervisor of officials Dave Cutaia tonight.
All of the personal-foul penalties were good calls, Carroll said.

source: Inside USC

 

[JefMaj]

PC always has his nose out of joint!!!!!!

 

[Junkhead]

They won, why is he such a baby?

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

This is just Pete's way of getting his mug in the paper and servicing himself....he gets off on this stuff.

 

[Morris614]

He is complaining because he is tired of losing top recruits to ND, and wants to convince the players it was only close because of bad calls.

 

[DirtySecret]

Pete Carroll watched the game films today and was adamant that Taylor Mays' two late-hit penalties were not legitimate calls.
``Taylor's were legit football plays and never should have been called,'' Carroll said.
Carroll also said tailback Joe McKnight got hit ``five steps'' out of bounds on a first quarter play but no flag was thrown.
He was also upset about Notre Dame's fake field goal, saying the Pac-10 agreed to ban such plays and require players within 15 yards of a huddle. He said game films showed a Notre Dame pretending to come out of the game and hanging around the sideline.
He conceded that Notre Dame was a nonconference game, so different rules could apply to the Pac-10 crew. And Cal ran a similar play against USC two weeks ago, so apparently the officials are allowing it in conference games too.
Carroll is hoping to speak to Pac-10 supervisor of officials Dave Cutaia tonight.
All of the personal-foul penalties were good calls, Carroll said.

source: Inside USC

Pot kettle theroy..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXr1LjtsAIw

It's okay if they do it but when it's ran on them, it's illegal? What a little biznitch..

 

[phork]

The OOB hit was a pretty cheesy call imo.

 

[kmoose]

Pot kettle theroy..

YouTube - USC's Fake Field Goal

It's okay if they do it but when it's ran on them, it's illegal? What a little biznitch..

Not to defend Carroll, or USC, at all, but............ This clip is from 3 years ago (2006). It's quite possible that the PAC-10 agreed to ban this kind of play, since then?

 

[TDHeysus]

 

[BeatSC]

Not to defend Carroll, or USC, at all, but............ This clip is from 3 years ago (2006). It's quite possible that the PAC-10 agreed to ban this kind of play, since then?

Maybe but shows no classs. He and his coaches were 10 feet on the field ever since the score was 34-20. They need to be flagged for this shit. CW could havr cried a river about the UM game but let it go. I look forward to a great recruiting class as a result of that game.

 

[kmoose]

Not to defend Carroll, or USC, at all, but............ This clip is from 3 years ago (2006). It's quite possible that the PAC-10 agreed to ban this kind of play, since then?

Upon further review..........."The PAC-10 agreed to ban such plays?" Who gives a rat's ass? I didn't know that there were two rule books in College Football.........the Official NCAA rules, and (apparently) The Official PAC-10 Rules? I think it shows a bit of a lack of character, for a Head Coach to whine about the officiating, in a game that his team won. It's not like he is complaining about a call that injured one of his players, or anything.

 

[BeatSC]

Upon further review..........."The PAC-10 agreed to ban such plays?" Who gives a rat's ass? I didn't know that there were two rule books in College Football.........the Official NCAA rules, and (apparently) The Official PAC-10 Rules? I think it shows a bit of a lack of character, for a Head Coach to whine about the officiating, in a game that his team won. It's not like he is complaining about a call that injured one of his players, or anything.

He's starting to crack. Look at his reaction to MArk Sanchez leaving last year. I'm surprised he didn't come out this week after the 5 int's and say "He told him so". You know he enjoyed it.

 

[bert2834]

I can't believe the there was no call on the McKnight play either. Other than that, I thought the game was officiated pretty well.

 

[phork]

Upon further review..........."The PAC-10 agreed to ban such plays?" Who gives a rat's ass? I didn't know that there were two rule books in College Football.........the Official NCAA rules, and (apparently) The Official PAC-10 Rules? I think it shows a bit of a lack of character, for a Head Coach to whine about the officiating, in a game that his team won. It's not like he is complaining about a call that injured one of his players, or anything.

You didn't know that? Have you seen some of those Pac-10 officiating jobs around the country?

 

[irishfan]

You didn't know that? Have you seen some of those Pac-10 officiating jobs around the country?

worst pac-10 reffing job was the oregon-oklahoma one with the onside kick. that was awful.

 

[irishfan]

worst pac-10 reffing job was the oregon-oklahoma one with the onside kick. that was awful.

here for anyone interested

YouTube - Oklahoma Sooners vs. Oregon Ducks Officiating Controversy

 

[mick2]

PC always has his nose out of joint!!!!!!

HAHA classic. REPS

 

[IrishAddiction]

Okay, my thoughts. The one Mays hit was legit, shouldnt have been called. Our guy (AA i think?) was tip toeing, running towards outta bounds, but still inbounds from the look of it.

The McKnight first quarter thing was a good no call, he wasnt HIT, he was accidently tripped by one of our guys. Big difference, no call=good call.

The fake FG, legal college football play. So He can suck a fatty on that one.

Hell JC was hit in the back the one play while sliding, which i personally dont like in QBs but i guess it does protect QBs blah blah blah..... could have been called. Wasnt. Officials are human. This was a fairly called game IMO.

The real problem i see here, is a coach bitching about the officiating after they won!!!! Just one more reason why the poodle is a douche bag. Damn that was a long post.....

 

[irishtrain]

I'm telling you guys he feels the balance of power shifting. They beat us, let me say that again they beat us, but he knows he's on borrowed time as far as talent superiority and from now on he's going have to play us straight up. Thats all we wanted from the git/go and its reality now. Just keep choppin wood with the recruiting and pray for a few more D line studs.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Okay, my thoughts. The one Mays hit was legit, shouldnt have been called. Our guy (AA i think?) was tip toeing, running towards outta bounds, but still inbounds from the look of it.

The McKnight first quarter thing was a good no call, he wasnt HIT, he was accidently tripped by one of our guys. Big difference, no call=good call.

The fake FG, legal college football play. So He can suck a fatty on that one.

Hell JC was hit in the back the one play while sliding, which i personally dont like in QBs but i guess it does protect QBs blah blah blah..... could have been called. Wasnt. Officials are human. This was a fairly called game IMO.

The real problem i see here, is a coach bitching about the officiating after they won!!!! Just one more reason why the poodle is a douche bag. Damn that was a long post.....

Not just Petey complaining, you should hear their entire fan base!!! Anytime you hear someone (esp SC fans) saying ND fans bitch about the refs more than anyone, remind them of this game and their reactions to it. Those babies are STILL pissed and STILL crying about it. To them, the only reason the game was close was because of the refs. ND is nowhere near them in talent, according to them. Just a bunch of football morons. And their coach cries just as much (but CW talks about the refs, watch out...the SC fnas almost explode)...

 

[GoIrish41]

How stupid do you have to be to fall for a fake like that in two consecutive games?

 

[irishfan]

I guess the Pac-10 said that we should have been flagged for it...

Wrong call

After reviewing tape that featured shots from several angles, the Pac-10's coordinator of football officials said the Pac-10 crew that worked last week's game at Notre Dame erred by not calling a penalty against the Fighting Irish on a fake field-goal play.

Notre Dame set up its first touchdown with a 25-yard gain that was achieved when the holder took a snap and then passed to a receiver, who had remained in bounds near the Notre Dame sideline when the field-goal unit came onto the field.

"It appears a foul should have been called for using substitutions to deceive," Dave Cutaia said.

Cutaia said Notre Dame should have been assessed a 15-yard penalty from the previous spot and repeated the down.

Carroll declined to comment about Cutaia's finding.

Trojans are in recovery mode in practice -- latimes.com

 

[devolg]

I guess the Pac-10 said that we should have been flagged for it...

This absolutely baffles me!!! Somebody else said it earlier in the thread, why in gods name would you have separate rules per conference? Whats more why would you have a "oh I'm a dumb$$ & didn't notice the guy" rule? You're the coach of a team competing at the 2nd highest level of football in the world. If you're incapable of keeping track of where every player on the field is lining up prior to the snap, that's your problem.

It was a trick play & you got tricked Petey get over it !

My question is (& I don't know what the ability is of challenging something like this as legal or not) but assuming or imagining that it is, what kind of quagmire do you enter into when the rule is per the conference of the officiating crew (PAC-10) but you have a Big East review crew in the booth, which rule book do you go by if it goes under review? I think this sets a really bad precedent & needs to be nipped in the bud by NCAA immediately before it becomes major issue.

It's funny I saw in another post about Carroll's video blog where he was crying about some of the bad calls late in the game & was basically insinuating that this was the reason for the huge momentum swing in 4th. How bout you got completely & utterly outplayed in the 4th? Personally I thought the refs were pretty non existent throughout the course of the game up until towards the end & that's nothing more than a product of both coaches barking in their ear. In essence Petey if you don't want questionable calls made, stop crying about the ones you're not getting in your favor.

 

[03euroSVT]

Who cares. Pete should bring this stuff up to the officials in the Pac-10. If they feel they got the call wrong or right, hopefully they'll learn from it and call it differently next time.

The late hit on AA was a BS call from what I saw. The personal foul on the Parris hit was a good call.

Charlie does the same thing so don't go on a pissing match over this.

 

[devolg]

Charlie does the same thing so don't go on a pissing match over this.

A "Pissing Match" would need to consist of 2 more or people presenting opposing view points on the same subject which is not the case here. I simply shared something I found to be comical at best, but also raises some very important questions concerning individual conference rules.

I also think it sheds some light on the character of Pete Carroll. There is a very big difference between being asked about a bad call in a press conference or interview as opposed to going out of your way & making a video blog in which you complain about them. Charlie could have threw a huge (justifiable) fit over the lack of quality officiating after the Michigan game but you didn't hear anything from him about it outside the post-game press conference or in consequential interviews where he was asked about the issue. The day he shows up in his own personal weekly video blog crying about bad calls from the previous game is the day I jump the fence on where I stand concerning his job.

Who cares.

I care

 

[mick2]

I'm telling you guys he feels the balance of power shifting. They beat us, let me say that again they beat us, but he knows he's on borrowed time as far as talent superiority and from now on he's going have to play us straight up. Thats all we wanted from the git/go and its reality now. Just keep choppin wood with the recruiting and pray for a few more D line studs.

^^^YES^^^^


I thought this same thing After the 05 game but we were all too drunk on kool aide to see that the fallout from willingham was near.

But charlie has built the program back up and depth is everywhere. no more lopsided games anymore, unless we're on the winning end.

God dang I'd like another shot at them tomorrow.

 

[03euroSVT]

devlog, so pissing match was probably not the right words to use. How about not getting bent out of shape over this. I think it's ok for the coaches to point out bad calls or what appears to be bad calls to them.

As for Carroll Making a video blog over this, I wasn't aware of that. Must of missed it when reading this thread. You are correct in that is a big difference between how Weis handled it and what Carroll did. I still think that this is a coaches job to make sure the games are called as close to the rule book as it can be.

 

[kmoose]

I guess the Pac-10 said that we should have been flagged for it...

Wrong call

After reviewing tape that featured shots from several angles, the Pac-10's coordinator of football officials said the Pac-10 crew that worked last week's game at Notre Dame erred by not calling a penalty against the Fighting Irish on a fake field-goal play.

Notre Dame set up its first touchdown with a 25-yard gain that was achieved when the holder took a snap and then passed to a receiver, who had remained in bounds near the Notre Dame sideline when the field-goal unit came onto the field.

"It appears a foul should have been called for using substitutions to deceive," Dave Cutaia said.

Cutaia said Notre Dame should have been assessed a 15-yard penalty from the previous spot and repeated the down.

Carroll declined to comment about Cutaia's finding.

Trojans are in recovery mode in practice -- latimes.com

What's interesting is that Weis, in his postgame presser, mentioned that this play, in order to be legal, required that the player be on the field on 3rd down. He mentioned that, going into the 3rd down play, the coaches had already told the players that they would be running the fake kick, if they didn't pick up the first down.

Here's another opportunity missed by the sports media. ESPN is well known for using "internet chatter"s to create or inflame controversial subjects. So you know that they pay at least some attention to what the various message boards (perhaps even here) are saying. I'm sure that they are well aware of the discussion about this play, here on the net. Why not take the oppportunity to educate people? Research the rules and put the subject to bed, one way or the other. I'm lucky; I have a good friend who is a JUCO official in So Cal. He is trying to get on with a D-I crew, and is constantly going to clinics. He's pretty up on the rulebook, and I often will call him and ask him to explain shit to me. Heaven forbid that we expect "The Worldwide Leader in Sports" to actually lead in a positive, unbiased, intelligent manner?

/rant off

 

[irish4ever]

Carroll is hoping to speak to Pac-10 supervisor of officials Dave Cutaia tonight.

source: Inside USC

Misquoted because what he really said was .... "Carroll is hoping to go to Pac-10 supervisor of officials Dave Cutaia tonight to give him a blow job for a job well done!"

 

[GDomer09]

PC has been taking to much PCP.
Does he mention anything about his player flpping the bird behind our fellow fans in these speech.
He's as dirty as his paid players and then complains about winning.
Did Charlie complain about the officials after the MSU game? No, because we won.