That is a shocking statistic. Really drives home how poorly this team is being coached and is playing. But the Irish have 2 games to turn it around and save a little face for the season.
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That is a shocking statistic. Really drives home how poorly this team is being coached and is playing. But the Irish have 2 games to turn it around and save a little face for the season.
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They couldn't manage against NW WITH Day. I'm sure they'll fair well against Louisville and SC without him...
Agree. Team looks soft with NO passion. Its like their scared to have fun.
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Soft isn't what I'd call it or scared. It's simply thinking too much and not reacting. That's the problem with young and inexperienced players.
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The majority of the team looks that way. And has for some time. I don't think it's just youth tho. I think it comes from the coaching.
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I won't disagree. The elder statesmen are learning a new defense and the young guys are learning a complex defense while adjusting to college ball. It's no excuse as they should have held NW to much better numbers. You could make a defense about every other game except yesterday.
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Fire BVG a hire the newly single muschamp
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So I rewatched the game this morning, and then went and rewatched Florida State. Here are my thoughts:
-Our corners (Riggs/Luke) are good. Both are clearly hurt right now. Luke has a hammy or some sort of leg injury, Rigs has his foot.
-Our linebackers are so much worse its mind boggling. Joe Schmidt not only always* got to the right place at the right time, but you can actually see him organizing shit. More blitzes got home and were time right, and Jaylon seems to be playing much faster. In the two games without Schmidt Jaylon has been crazy levels of ineffective. The SAM linebacker is completely irrelevant it seems... never makes a play. Against Northwestern, Morgan was not only late a bunch but in the wrong spots or otherwise making huge blunders. Greer Martini... none of those mistakes. Sometimes a bit slow, but he's much further ahead mentally.
-Safety play is hilariously bad. It's bad against FSU, it's even worse against Northwestern. I don't care how bad/slow/late Redfield is, he's not blowing plays like Tranquil. And Shumate always seems to be fucking up something himself. Where is the help coming from at this position? There is no talent/youth on the roster that can be counted on or groomed or given a shot. Just pure terribleness across the board. No playmakers or reliable players either.
-The DL/pass rush... look, Day is hurt (and out now?) and Jones is hurt. Neither one of them has played since Navy how they were playing pre-Navy. Pre-Navy, they were manhandling people, post-Navy Jones is getting blown off the ball sometimes. He clearly has a lower leg injury. The DEs are terrible at everything but run defending. They exhibit no pass rushing moves or explosion. It's basically Trumbetti and Rochelle and they don't get it done. Okwara, Blankenship, and others who rotate in likewise don't get it done. Of all the problems, the biggest one is that our pressure in early games (Stanford, Michigan, etc.) masked our issues at safety because when they got home it created negative plays or at minimum forced the QB to get the ball out early enough that the DBs didn't have to cover for an extended period of time.
-In summary, giving up 40 points to Northwestern is the worst defensive performance in the Kelly era and I don't think it's really close. And it doesn't look to get any better, because that side of the ball appears to be bereft of talent. And the positional coaching has to be questioned as well.
-Our corners (Riggs/Luke) are good. Both are clearly hurt right now. Luke has a hammy or some sort of leg injury, Rigs has his foot.
-Our linebackers are so much worse its mind boggling. Joe Schmidt not only always* got to the right place at the right time, but you can actually see him organizing shit. More blitzes got home and were time right, and Jaylon seems to be playing much faster. In the two games without Schmidt Jaylon has been crazy levels of ineffective. The SAM linebacker is completely irrelevant it seems... never makes a play. Against Northwestern, Morgan was not only late a bunch but in the wrong spots or otherwise making huge blunders. Greer Martini... none of those mistakes. Sometimes a bit slow, but he's much further ahead mentally.
-Safety play is hilariously bad. It's bad against FSU, it's even worse against Northwestern. I don't care how bad/slow/late Redfield is, he's not blowing plays like Tranquil. And Shumate always seems to be fucking up something himself. Where is the help coming from at this position? There is no talent/youth on the roster that can be counted on or groomed or given a shot. Just pure terribleness across the board. No playmakers or reliable players either.
-The DL/pass rush... look, Day is hurt (and out now?) and Jones is hurt. Neither one of them has played since Navy how they were playing pre-Navy. Pre-Navy, they were manhandling people, post-Navy Jones is getting blown off the ball sometimes. He clearly has a lower leg injury. The DEs are terrible at everything but run defending. They exhibit no pass rushing moves or explosion. It's basically Trumbetti and Rochelle and they don't get it done. Okwara, Blankenship, and others who rotate in likewise don't get it done. Of all the problems, the biggest one is that our pressure in early games (Stanford, Michigan, etc.) masked our issues at safety because when they got home it created negative plays or at minimum forced the QB to get the ball out early enough that the DBs didn't have to cover for an extended period of time.
-In summary, giving up 40 points to Northwestern is the worst defensive performance in the Kelly era and I don't think it's really close. And it doesn't look to get any better, because that side of the ball appears to be bereft of talent. And the positional coaching has to be questioned as well.
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Part of the problem is ND is not physical up front. Day is good, not elite though. Jones can be really good when he wants to be, but seems to only play well in big games.
Romeo is a 2nd stringer at best, Blankership isn't big enough to make an impact as a freshman, the Trumbetti train seems to have slowed, but he's young so that's understandable.
It's really bad that we can't get to the passer with 5 guys against NW. IDK if it's on the DL coach, physical development, or simply youth and bad luck with Ishaq being out/Tuitt going pro, but if I were playing ND, I wouldn't be worried at all about the front 7. Identify Jaylon and you're set.
Romeo is a 2nd stringer at best, Blankership isn't big enough to make an impact as a freshman, the Trumbetti train seems to have slowed, but he's young so that's understandable.
It's really bad that we can't get to the passer with 5 guys against NW. IDK if it's on the DL coach, physical development, or simply youth and bad luck with Ishaq being out/Tuitt going pro, but if I were playing ND, I wouldn't be worried at all about the front 7. Identify Jaylon and you're set.
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Hire Will M. Immediately!!! Proven track record, good recruiter with ties to sec country. Wishful thinking I know but BVG hasn't lived up to his billing. I understand the defense is young and going to make mistakes but to show no signs of improvement and to give up a monster day to northwestern is simply inexcusable
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I honestly don't see the difference. Didn't we say the same thing about BVG when he arrived. Proving track record, good recruiter and ties to SEC country?
A big piece of this defensive meltdown is the lack of d line recruits in 2012 and 2013. I believe there were only four d lineman total for both classes. Also a bunch of the depth that was at safety (Onwalllu, Turner, Procise) is now at other positions.
Best comparison I've heard yet.
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VTech is not the SEC, nor is Texas...neither have ties to the SEC except Muschamp coaches FL.
If we, some how some way, could get Muschamp as D Coordinator...yes please.
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What does VTech have to do with anything? Muschamp went to Georgia, GA'ed at Auburn, coached at LSU, coordinated at Auburn, coordinated at Texas, and was head coach at Florida. I'd say the dude has sec ties.
Van Vorder was coordinator at Georgia and Auburn.
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Yeah...the disappointment is way more palpable because he started out on fire and then the D has just fallen apart. Reminds me of one of my ex's. Smoking hot and great at the start but turned out to be batshit crazy and as soon as I moved in she quit her job and decided to become a stripper. Lol.
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Being that the defense has so many young players, I knew this wouldn't be our strong point. Giving up this many points is crazy though!
I think they'll be much better next season with this experience they are gaining. Obviously, if we see this again next year, BVG wont be here for year 3.
I think they'll be much better next season with this experience they are gaining. Obviously, if we see this again next year, BVG wont be here for year 3.
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The thing that is so crazy is that NW didn't even play well. They could've scored 60+ if they played mistake free football. They had drops, redzone turnovers, etc.
Giving up 500 yards and 40 points to NW is crazy in and of itself, but it's even crazier when you realize it could've been worse if they could execute basic football plays.
Giving up 500 yards and 40 points to NW is crazy in and of itself, but it's even crazier when you realize it could've been worse if they could execute basic football plays.
That's for sure. It seems like BVG and Kelly are not on the same page either. Kelly's game plans for the offense seem to be opperating without any consideration as to how bad and or vulnerable his defense is to scoring and or big plays on every down at this point. The fact that he seems to be calling this last game in a kind of a vacuum is the biggest concern for me. On top of that BVG needs to back off the high stakes man coverage. It has been a complete failure with the players available at this time. He needs to focus on simply slowing other teams down at this point as opposed to hitting a home run on every play. More Pete Rose and less Reggie Jackson I guess.
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Bvg is unacceptable as is Kelly. Time for change.
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Calling for change is unacceptable (unless you mean in scheme)
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Are you surprised considering who posted that?