But CFB needs a playoff right??

[ACamp1900]

If you don't think the San Diego Chargers were the best team in the NFL this year I question your IQ of the sport... but for yet another year an inferior team will be crowned "champion" of the NFL... and to me it ruins the league and I am close to done with it...

but let's go cry until CFB is equally ruined by a crock system where the best team almost NEVER wins... BAH!

 

[ACamp1900]

And don't even bother... you're talking to deaf ears on this one boys...

 

[dudexcore]

usually the best team would win.

 

[ACamp1900]

usually the best team would win.

just like the NFL right???? I for one say let a team like Auburn be left out every year if it stops average teams from getting hot and or lucky at the right time and becoming Champions by default...the NFL playoff system sickens me...

 

[ShivaIrish]

Bottom line: without a playoff, things are decided on paper, not on the field. The Chargers had their chance to win, and to do it at home too. Who thinks the Pats are an average team anyway? Playoffs exclude average teams from the chance to win the championship. The current CFB system excludes even some great teams from having a chance to win it all.

 

[Zephyr]

Obviously SD was not the best team against the Pat's...lol... I am not sure how I feel with a play off system in CFB??? There has to be somthing better than the current system??? Am I right???

 

[ACamp1900]

Bottom line: without a playoff, things are decided on paper, not on the field. The Chargers had their chance to win, and to do it at home too. Who thinks the Pats are an average team anyway? Playoffs exclude average teams from the chance to win the championship. The current CFB system excludes even some great teams from having a chance to win it all.

No things are decided on the field either way... You don't get to the title game without proving yourself... Pleanty of teams have backed into a playoff that has way too many teams involved and gotten lucky... so don't give me the decided on paper crap... MYTH bottom line...

 

[ACamp1900]

Obviously SD was not the best team against the Pat's...lol... I am not sure how I feel with a play off system in CFB??? There has to be somthing better than the current system??? Am I right???

There has to be something better than the NFL's current system... Am I right???

 

[Zephyr]

There has to be something better than the NFL's current system... Am I right???

There might be, but the fact is that the NFL system is accepted more widely than the current college system... Am I right???

 

[ACamp1900]

There might be, but the fact is that the NFL system is accepted more widely than the current college system... Am I right???

Yes you are... that doesn't make it better... just more accepted... I have found that while plenty of people agree with me on this point I find most people never think in these terms and I am a huge minority... SO WHAT! Here’s my feelings, basically, playoff systems suck! Lol… grin: The Seattle Supersonics had three bad games after a WHOLE SEASON of dominating the NBA in what 94? And they lost the whole year on that?... The 1980 Raiders and last year's Steelers are looked at as such great underdog stories... BAH!! Those stories ruin sports IMO... I want a truly GREAT team to representing that sport, teams that truely earn it ALL YEAR... one bad game or string of bad luck should not take that away after a whole season imo... and don't say "if they were great they would bla bla bla"... sick of it! Period! Villanova shouldn't have had a shot at Georgetown... Georgetown was one of the most dominate teams ever!! One hot night... some say that's the beauty of it... I say I respect your opinion and TOTALLY disagree... Ciderella stories are watered down due to playoffs... it should be a whole year thing... not a team that just gets hot and or lucky... Now, IF those bad days were to happen when it's between only those teams that have proven ALL YEAR they belong in such standing I would have less of a problem with it I guess but that’s not the case in most sports… At least drop the wildcard… to me CFB is the only sport that guarantees a true "champion" for that season and not just “Well we know what teams are the best by now but we’re gonna settle this by whatever team get hot wins it”

and I hate the “Bowl games are all about the money, it’s just wrong!!” talk too… what are playoffs for? Sports used to be two leagues and the best records from either league played each other straight up and the winner is the True Champion… well why’d that end? Wasn’t for competitive fairness boys… it was for DOLLARS! Why’d the NFL implement a wildcard round? Money, NO other reason… Oh whatever, I’m done with this for now… hopefully I’ve at least opened some minds to the counter side of popular thinking…

 

[goldenechoes]

If you don't think the San Diego Chargers were the best team in the NFL this year I question your IQ of the sport... but for yet another year an inferior team will be crowned "champion" of the NFL... and to me it ruins the league and I am close to done with it...

but let's go cry until CFB is equally ruined by a crock system where the best team almost NEVER wins... BAH!

Only a league like the NFL would glorify the "any given sunday" approach and then say that their world champion is the best.

 

[njweinza]

why would anybody ever go against the Pats in the playoffs.....brady is clutch and their defense always seems to come up with the big play....i am a colts fan and was cheerin for the chargers because i have nothin but respect for the patriots.....it doesnt matter who the best team is for the 16 regular season games but who can win the big one when the hardware is on the line....the patriots have done it time after time and iwont begin to doubt them now

 

[Zephyr]

Yes you are... that doesn't make it better... just more accepted... I have found that while plenty of people agree with me on this point I find most people never think in these terms and I am a huge minority... SO WHAT! Here’s my feelings, basically, playoff systems suck! Lol… grin: The Seattle Supersonics had three bad games after a WHOLE SEASON of dominating the NBA in what 94? And they lost the whole year on that?... The 1980 Raiders and last year's Steelers are looked at as such great underdog stories... BAH!! Those stories ruin sports IMO... I want a truly GREAT team to representing that sport, teams that truely earn it ALL YEAR... one bad game or string of bad luck should not take that away after a whole season imo... and don't say "if they were great they would bla bla bla"... sick of it! Period! Villanova shouldn't have had a shot at Georgetown... Georgetown was one of the most dominate teams ever!! One hot night... some say that's the beauty of it... I say I respect your opinion and TOTALLY disagree... Ciderella stories are watered down due to playoffs... it should be a whole year thing... not a team that just gets hot and or lucky... Now, IF those bad days were to happen when it's between only those teams that have proven ALL YEAR they belong in such standing I would have less of a problem with it I guess but that’s not the case in most sports… At least drop the wildcard… to me CFB is the only sport that guarantees a true "champion" for that season and not just “Well we know what teams are the best by now but we’re gonna settle this by whatever team get hot wins it”

and I hate the “Bowl games are all about the money, it’s just wrong!!” talk too… what are playoffs for? Sports used to be two leagues and the best records from either league played each other straight up and the winner is the True Champion… well why’d that end? Wasn’t for competitive fairness boys… it was for DOLLARS! Why’d the NFL implement a wildcard round? Money, NO other reason… Oh whatever, I’m done with this for now… hopefully I’ve at least opened some minds to the counter side of popular thinking…

I agree with what you say... I guess my question would be would it better CFB if they had a play off system, or would it be more of the same????

 

[ACamp1900]

Only a league like the NFL would glorify the "any given sunday" approach and then say that their world champion is the best.

"any given sunday" but yeah pretty much... easy to see my issues with it... at WORST it should have been a four team playoff... we know who the four best teams in the NFL were this year... oh well... me bitching isn't changing anything in my lifetime, I just hope those playoff pushers realize that CFB is all that people like me have and there are pleanty of us... leave us our ONE SPORT that we have left....



please

 

[ACamp1900]

I agree with what you say... I guess my question would be would it better CFB if they had a play off system, or would it be more of the same????

Who knows, I think it would, why would it be any different? I think CFB would be ruined forever... at least I my mind... I don't watch basketball at all anymore for a number of reasons, the game itself is too flawed, but also because the playoffs in both NBA and College leave the reg. season useless and the best team throughout usually doesn't win because there are too many damn teams allowed in... If I had to pick one sport where it doesn't work against it I guess it would be the NHL... but that sport was MADE for do or die situations... MLB, drop the wildcard... NFL drop the wildcard (Today should never have happened)... NBA... ??? College Bball... cut WAY back on the number of teams... hell if it where up to me MLB and NFL would be just like it was in the 60's... just one championship round with the two teams that separated themselves through the SEASON facing off with a playoff only happening when needed for a tiebreaker... that would make a playoff meaningful... anyway... as for CFB?... leave it be, it's perfect... It IS settled on the field and only the best teams have even a CHANCE of winning...

That my friends is beautiful...
...

 

[Indydomer]

The Seattle Supersonics had three bad games after a WHOLE SEASON of dominating the NBA in what 94?

They ran into a legend that year. 23 they had a hell of a year though I do agree.

 

[ACamp1900]

They ran into a legend that year. 23 they had a hell of a year though I do agree.

Legend??? Mutombo??? I think you have the year wrong... not 96 when they made the finals... 94 when they got bounced in the first round by Denver

 

[ShivaIrish]

Yes you are... that doesn't make it better... just more accepted... I have found that while plenty of people agree with me on this point I find most people never think in these terms and I am a huge minority... SO WHAT! Here’s my feelings, basically, playoff systems suck! Lol… grin: The Seattle Supersonics had three bad games after a WHOLE SEASON of dominating the NBA in what 94? And they lost the whole year on that?... The 1980 Raiders and last year's Steelers are looked at as such great underdog stories... BAH!! Those stories ruin sports IMO... I want a truly GREAT team to representing that sport, teams that truely earn it ALL YEAR... one bad game or string of bad luck should not take that away after a whole season imo... and don't say "if they were great they would bla bla bla"... sick of it! Period! Villanova shouldn't have had a shot at Georgetown... Georgetown was one of the most dominate teams ever!! One hot night... some say that's the beauty of it... I say I respect your opinion and TOTALLY disagree... Ciderella stories are watered down due to playoffs... it should be a whole year thing... not a team that just gets hot and or lucky... Now, IF those bad days were to happen when it's between only those teams that have proven ALL YEAR they belong in such standing I would have less of a problem with it I guess but that’s not the case in most sports… At least drop the wildcard… to me CFB is the only sport that guarantees a true "champion" for that season and not just “Well we know what teams are the best by now but we’re gonna settle this by whatever team get hot wins it”

and I hate the “Bowl games are all about the money, it’s just wrong!!” talk too… what are playoffs for? Sports used to be two leagues and the best records from either league played each other straight up and the winner is the True Champion… well why’d that end? Wasn’t for competitive fairness boys… it was for DOLLARS! Why’d the NFL implement a wildcard round? Money, NO other reason… Oh whatever, I’m done with this for now… hopefully I’ve at least opened some minds to the counter side of popular thinking…

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[ACamp1900]

Wrong!:talktohan :talktohan :talktohan :talktohan :talktohan

BANNED!!

lol

 

[Junkhead]

Who needs playoffs in CFB? Just make the preseason #1 the National Champion and skip all the games.

 

[ACamp1900]

Who needs playoffs in CFB? Just make the preseason #1 the National Champion and skip all the games.

Then Florida wouldn't have won a thing this year...

 

[Irishkid23]

GO BEARS!!!!!!!

 

[irishfan]

Once I saw the title of the thread, I knew it was going to be a Charger's fan whining. You can complain all you want, but I think everyone knew that they only way that any team in the AFC was going to reach the Super Bowl, was by beating the Patriots first. They've been dominating the NFL for 5 years now, and to be the best, you have to beat the best. Just be thankful that the game wasn't played in Foxboro in the snow.

 

[ACamp1900]

Once I saw the title of the thread, I knew it was going to be a Charger's fan whining. You can complain all you want, but I think everyone knew that they only way that any team in the AFC was going to reach the Super Bowl, was by beating the Patriots first. They've been dominating the NFL for 5 years now, and to be the best, you have to beat the best. Just be thankful that the game wasn't played in Foxboro in the snow.

ah, Browns fan.............. That's pretty common knowledge round here... but yeah, call me a Bolts fan today just to throw out the same shit I've been saying on these boards for about a good year now and make it look like I only said it today... In all honesty, and respectfully, it doesn't fit

 

[TexasNDFan]

There has to be something better than the NFL's current system... Am I right???

Well having the underdog teams win, is what makes the playoffs exciting. If the Chargers were that superior they should have won, they had home field and the best player in the NFL. Now if you think the Patriots got lucky, then you haven't paid attention to the league the last five years. Now a truly great team, will always win hands down, makes for a boring Super Bowl, but they win and the closest that the NFL has had to a great team recently have been the Patriots.

Sometimes, who you think is the best is not always best, UM and OSU were lauded as the best two teams in the country, yet they both had it handed to them in the bowl games.

A playoff would reward teams like Boise St, who played their hearts out and pulled out a win from the jaws of defeat. I would atleast love to see a plus one game, because I'd be willing to bet that Florida would want nothing to do with BSU. Sure Florida would be heavily favored, but I'd love to see Boise pull it out.

A playoff can easily be done, just get rid of the 12th game and the conference championships, then start playing once the semester ends. The low tiers bowl games can still be played and the championship game can be played the Saturday before the Super Bowl.

That's my two cents.

 

[ACamp1900]

Well having the underdog teams win, is what makes the playoffs exciting. If the Chargers were that superior they should have won, they had home field and the best player in the NFL. Now if you think the Patriots got lucky, then you haven't paid attention to the league the last five years. Now a truly great team, will always win hands down, makes for a boring Super Bowl, but they win and the closest that the NFL has had to a great team recently have been the Patriots.

Sometimes, who you think is the best is not always best, UM and OSU were lauded as the best two teams in the country, yet they both had it handed to them in the bowl games.

A playoff would reward teams like Boise St, who played their hearts out and pulled out a win from the jaws of defeat. I would atleast love to see a plus one game, because I'd be willing to bet that Florida would want nothing to do with BSU. Sure Florida would be heavily favored, but I'd love to see Boise pull it out.

A playoff can easily be done, just get rid of the 12th game and the conference championships, then start playing once the semester ends. The low tiers bowl games can still be played and the championship game can be played the Saturday before the Super Bowl.

That's my two cents.

I must disagree with making it exciting, what is exciting is the best teams all year squaring off one on one... and b/c of "underdogs" that rarely ever happens... Remember S.F. v Dallas in the early 90's? THAT was exciting, we don't get that often these days... to me it's a shame and takes away from the game... I already addressed the "if they were the best" thing... Was Georgetown not the best team in the country in 84? Seattle in 94? and so on? I'm not saying just hand it to the best record but don't allow the team who shined brightest all year to be up ended by a team that may have had a good year but didn't even belong in a Championship playoff sysytem to begin with... and Bosie got 10-15 million and a lifetime of feeling "we could have won it all"... when imo they had NO SHOT at playing with tOSU, LSU, USC, Mich and others... I alos love the debate, you don't have that in any other sport... it all plays out with imperfection while we sit on our fat asses and recoil at the thought of having to think about the matter, discuss it... this also brings up a huge reason I don't want a playoff... the bowl games... I challange anyone to tell me they wouldn't miss the Rose Bowl on New year's Day and so on.... Maybe a plus one is the way to go with the BCS title game happening after the bowls... that's as far as I would support it

Anyway, thanks for your two cents... always welcome even if we disagree... i'll just leave it at,

PLEASE leave cfb alone, it's all I got left...

 

[solo]

And don't even bother... you're talking to deaf ears on this one boys...

If you aren't willing to discuss a topic, then why bring it up?

Had the bowl system been in place in the NFL, we would have San Diego and Chicago meeting int he Suprbowl. And as it turns out, neither of them will probably end up getting there because they simly aren't good enough. So you can go on crowning paper champions with your bowl system, I prefer the way the NFL does it.

One final thought, I SO would love for you to have a son playing on the Boise State 2006 or Auburn 2004 squads. I am curious how you would look your son in the eye and tell him with a clean conscious that his team didn't deserve a title shot and that the bowl system is superior.

 

[weisbankaccount]

Im a BCS supporter. I think the college FB champ has been the best team in CFB since the BCS system was installed. Before the BCS, teams like 2002 OSU and 2006 Florida might play a bowl vs somebody else, win, then get voted #2.

So to me, it has worked. The only gripe Ive ever heard with the BCS is from the 3rd team in line. This year it was Michigan, obviously they were exposed. The only other team that had a legit gripe was '03 Auburn and Im sorry but that '04 Trojan buzzsaw wasnt going to lose to anybody, regardless of who you put in front of them.

 

[weisbankaccount]

If you aren't willing to discuss a topic, then why bring it up?

Had the bowl system been in place in the NFL, we would have San Diego and Chicago meeting int he Suprbowl. And as it turns out, neither of them will probably end up getting there because they simly aren't good enough. So you can go on crowning paper champions with your bowl system, I prefer the way the NFL does it.

One final thought, I SO would love for you to have a son playing on the Boise State 2006 or Auburn 2004 squads. I am curious how you would look your son in the eye and tell him with a clean conscious that his team didn't deserve a title shot and that the bowl system is superior.

Totally disagree with your NFL paragraph - New England won because of a fumbled interception, I watched that game in its entirety - San Diego was a better team but because of yet another New England horseshoe found in their ass (see the Oakland "tuck rule" game) they lost a game they shouldve won.

Also, it isnt a given the Bears are losing this week. New Orleans has to be the most hyped 6 loss team Ive ever seen. They are a dome team, welcome to Chicago with crap weather, real grass, and wind that changes direction every 5 minutes. Chicago is 14-3 and Ive never heard a team get dismissed like them in all my years. A team hosting the NFC title, #1 seed.

 

[solo]

Im a BCS supporter. I think the college FB champ has been the best team in CFB since the BCS system was installed. Before the BCS, teams like 2002 OSU and 2006 Florida might play a bowl vs somebody else, win, then get voted #2.

So to me, it has worked. The only gripe Ive ever heard with the BCS is from the 3rd team in line. This year it was Michigan, obviously they were exposed. The only other team that had a legit gripe was '03 Auburn and Im sorry but that '04 Trojan buzzsaw wasnt going to lose to anybody, regardless of who you put in front of them.

You say that the BCS has consistantly named the right champ, but how do we know? It appears that every other year or so there is a huge contoversy as to which 2 teams should be in the title game. What if Michigan had stayed #2 this year and the gators not had their shot? In 2000 what if Miami had been playing Oklahoma instead of Flroida state? Would the sooners have been beaten them?

If you can't accurately just pick the 2 best teams, which we can't, then how do you really know if they got it right? Why not pick the 8 or 16 best teams and at least know that you have the right teams in that mix and that all teams that could conceivably win the title had an equal shot at it?

No matter how you do the BCS, the bottom line is that it is not fair and never will be. With parity in sports coupled with the incredibly diverse schedules, there is no way to accurately determine who the 2 best teams are. The only fair way to do it is to pick all the possible best and let them play it off.