Breaking down ND/OU

[woolybug25]

Honestly i feel like i have been very polite, respectful, and all around a nice guy on this board. I know I am a guest here, but Wooly you seems to jump on the defensive about everything i post. I don't think i have said your were wrong about anything that you posted, yet everything I have posted, you have set out to prove wrong or tell me i'm twisting the facts. BTW you were wrong, I did not post pass defense stats. So if your gonna come at me come at me with your FACTS straight.

Don't give me that crap. You clearly tried to say that our defenses are comparable. So I proved you wrong with stats and now you are all butt-hurt about it. I'm not jumping on everything you write, i'm jumping on anything that is posted that is completely wrong... it's completely coincidental that all of your posts fall into this category.

 

[IrishSpartan]

When we blitz it should always be from the opposite side of russel since everyone will try to pick on him

 

[PraetorianND]

More of that legendary ND hospitality and class.

They were talking about offensive players both sides didn't know about. So I posted football videos of Millard. Because, you know, football is fun to watch and we're all trying to learn something here.

This is going to be a LOT easier if we don't have to explain things to you. Keep up.

You should expect some push back when you come onto someone else's board and tell them why they are going to lose.

Statements like these make OU fans look bad as well. Should I pass judgment on your whole fanbase now? No I won't, I'm sure there are good OU fans out there but you're trying to push everyones' buttons and people generally don't like that.

 

[HoosierSooner]

I don't think that is entirely correct either. Most people feel that K State won by applying pressure to Jones and forcing turnovers. We, as ND fans, feel that ND should also be able to apply pressure and force turnovers since our front seven is just as good and probably better than K State's (you also just agreed with as much in your post above). This then gives us a better opportunity to win. I don't see anyone discounting K State's D.

Yes, I stated that your front 7 is a little better than K State's. A little. Not ANYWHERE near the degree that has been stated on this thread though. In addition, in my opinion, you're overlooking an important part of "getting pressure on Jones". It's not JUST about the front 7. The better the db's cover the receivers, the more time the line has to plant the QB. Your line is a little stronger than theirs, and definately concerns me! But they are stronger in the backfield than you guys, and more explosive on offense. Just sayin'.

 

[IrishSpartan]

Yes, I stated that your front 7 is a little better than K State's. A little. Not ANYWHERE near the degree that has been stated on this thread though. In addition, in my opinion, you're overlooking an important part of "getting pressure on Jones". It's not JUST about the front 7. The better the db's cover the receivers, the more time the line has to plant the QB. Your line is a little stronger than theirs, and definately concerns me! But they are stronger in the backfield than you guys, and more explosive on offense. Just sayin'.

You can't compare the kstate front seven and nd's kstate is just brown then everyone else mediocre

 

[Patulski]

More of that legendary ND hospitality and class.

You're on our board. If you don't know about ND's players, ask. Don't follow up a legitimate matchup situation regarding our TE and your cornerbacks with a video of a fullback running play as if there's any equivalency there. It just makes you look stupid. And then, you pull out the "hospitality and class" card like some backwoods southern politician. That's not going to work here. ND alumni have never suffered fools gladly. Never have, particularly when you come to our territory and argue. Stick to the facts and lay off the political jiujitsu. You'll last longer here.

 

[HoosierSooner]

You can't compare the kstate front seven and nd's kstate is just brown then everyone else mediocre

My apologies. I was trying to interject some objectivity and intelligent analysis to this thread. Please...carry on.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

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[Irish#1]

Haven't read this thread the last couple days. I unsubscribed as it appeared to be going nowhere. Turns out I was right.

Let me try and get the facts from what I've missed.

- OU's best offensive player is a FB with a combined 300 yards of offense

- we are going to give up over 5 times our average in points and over twice the most we have allowed all season

- Time of Possession is a pointless stat that should not be kept

- a 3.6 yards per carry can't win a game (3.6x3=10.8=First down)

- Oklahoma has great Antiquing, someone should let these guys know:

- TE's and FB's are somehow comparable

Did I miss anything?

Domer,
Thanks, I can always count on someone to crack me up.

Wolly,
Every time I read Olevet's replies I'm ready to answer with an almost identical response, but see you have already posted. Thanks for saving me the key strokes.

Olevet,
Ditto for pretty much everything Wolly has said.

 

[HoosierSooner]

@ Golden,

Thanks for posting the vid. Man, that got my blood going. I just hope the game actually lives up to it!

 

[PraetorianND]

That guy can and should be an a-hole, but no one else should dare. Got it, Coach.

I didn't say anything like that. Come on. Can you just please read what I wrote and take it for face value?

I'm saying it's normal for people to get defensive when you are telling them they are going to lose, especially when you're on their boards. I'm not saying it's ok. I'm also saying that there is no need for you to act like a jerk when someone lashes out at you. If you want this to degrade into childish bickering go for it. Insulting our entire fan base is a good way to start!

 

[koonja]

I've noticed OU runs a lot of sweeps, especially with #8. We're great on the edge, and I love that they'll be trying to run around a combination of Ishaq/Prince/Spond, all LBs that move really well in space. Also, our corners attack sweeps very well.

On a side note, if there was an internet fight and I was allowed to draft my 'team', Woolybug would be my #1 pick.

 

[Patulski]

That guy can and should be an a-hole, but no one else should dare. Got it, Coach.

"That guy"? Who's "That guy"? Is this another non sequiter, or some kind of abstract Okie sentence construction. If you're going to call me an *******, at least have the courage to say it directly to me.

 

[eyeballjr]

If our Defenses are not even close to being comparable, where does that leave our offenses?



NOTRE DAME.......................OKLAHOMA
Points.........25.86 (72).......Points....39.8 (12)
Total..........387.86 (67).......Total......453.4(29)
Rush Yards..193.86 (36).......Rush yds 151 (63)
Pass Yards...194.00 (96).......Pass yds 283.4(28)


By the numbers i will agree ND has an advantage on defense, not by as much as what you are making it out to be, but an advantage none the less. Raw stats can be misleading to say the least. That's why i posted the Yards per Play stats earlier. These offensive stats do not include Florida A&M

 

[PraetorianND]

If our Defenses are not even close to being comparable, where does that leave our offenses?



NOTRE DAME.......................OKLAHOMA
Points.........25.86 (72).......Points....39.8 (12)
Total..........387.86 (67).......Total......453.4(29)
Rush Yards..193.86 (36).......Rush yds 151 (63)
Pass Yards...194.00 (96).......Pass yds 283.4(28)


By the numbers i will agree ND has an advantage on defense, not by as much as what you are making it out to be, but an advantage none the less. Raw stats can be misleading to say the least. That's why i posted the Yards per Play stats earlier. These offensive stats do not include Florida A&M

So you just restated what everyone has been saying for days. ND has a better defense than OU. OU has a better offense than ND. We know that. The question is who comes out on top? I think most people agree that OU is better overall but ND has a chance if they win the turnover battle. Are we in agreement?

 

[eyeballjr]

If this game is as close as everyone thinks it's going to be, special teams may play a huge factor, i feel good about that for the first time in a long time.

 

[irishpat183]

From what i can tell, only 4 teams in the nation average scoring a TD on half of their drives. Kansas State, Baylor, Texas, and La. Tech. Oklahoma is 4th in points allowed per possession, while ND is 2nd. Seems like on the defenses are pretty comparible. Yards per play 4.45 to 4.55 ND has the edge, and both are in the top 15. Numbers wise i would call it a stalemate on defense.

Not against the run. YOu're suspect at best. UTEP went wild on you.

 

[jbaker]

You're on our board. If you don't know about ND's players, ask. Don't follow up a legitimate matchup situation regarding our TE and your cornerbacks with a video of a fullback running play as if there's any equivalency there. It just makes you look stupid. And then, you pull out the "hospitality and class" card like some backwoods southern politician. That's not going to work here. ND alumni have never suffered fools gladly. Never have, particularly when you come to our territory and argue. Stick to the facts and lay off the political jiujitsu. You'll last longer here.

That's not what happened.
Somebody asked how OU's CBs would match up with your TE.
They were told that they wouldn't, and the TE would likely be covered by a combination of Jefferson and Shannon. We were then told "LOL you think a freshman can cover an All-American TE? Get real!"
So then it was pointed out that Millard will create just as many match-up problems in the ND LB core. An ND fan said that Millard could not even be compared to Eifert.
THEN the videos of Millard were posted.

 

[irishpat183]

If our Defenses are not even close to being comparable, where does that leave our offenses?



NOTRE DAME.......................OKLAHOMA
Points.........25.86 (72).......Points....39.8 (12)
Total..........387.86 (67).......Total......453.4(29)
Rush Yards..193.86 (36).......Rush yds 151 (63)
Pass Yards...194.00 (96).......Pass yds 283.4(28)


By the numbers i will agree ND has an advantage on defense, not by as much as what you are making it out to be, but an advantage none the less. Raw stats can be misleading to say the least. That's why i posted the Yards per Play stats earlier. These offensive stats do not include Florida A&M

ND's offense has been average at best this season and I don't think many of us on here would argue that. However....we've played much better talent on defense than OU has. And the one D that OU has really played...KSU...beat you guys. So I'm hoping that the trick to stopping OU is to pressure the QB, run the football, and shut down the run (3 things that we do very, very well)

 

[OUMallen]

That's not what happened.
Somebody asked how OU's CBs would match up with your TE.
They were told that they wouldn't, and the TE would likely be covered by a combination of Jefferson and Shannon. We were then told "LOL you think a freshman can cover an All-American TE? Get real!"
So then it was pointed out that Millard will create just as many match-up problems in the ND LB core. An ND fan said that Millard could not even be compared to Eifert.
THEN the videos of Millard were posted.

He can't keep up. Lost cause. Leave him behind.

 

[jbaker]

Not against the run. YOu're suspect at best. UTEP went wild on you.

True.
But I would say we are "fine" against the run. Not great, but not bad. We had 2 starting DTs out against UTEP, so one of our starting DEs played DT and a backup DE played in his spot. We also played a lot of nickel because UTEP is a spread team, and they exploited our weakness in the middle, and being short a linebacker on the field.

Since then, both DTs are back, and we've had a lot of improvement against the run. We will also game plan to stop it in this game, rather than game planning against a spread.

But like I said, run defense is probably our weakest area. But we're still not bad there.

 

[OUMallen]

ND's offense has been average at best this season and I don't think many of us on here would argue that. However....we've played much better talent on defense than OU has. And the one D that OU has really played...KSU...beat you guys. So I'm hoping that the trick to stopping OU is to pressure the QB, run the football, and shut down the run (3 things that we do very, very well)

With all due respect, we beat ourselves in the KSU game. No bones about it. KSU certainly played well enough to win and their D earned 7 points, but we beat ourselves.

 

[PraetorianND]

He can't keep up. Lost cause. Leave him behind.

Just stop.

 

[koonja]

Watching KSU game now. I may be bias but our D-line, imo, is much better than KSU's and they're getting enough pressure to stop Jones.

 

[irishpat183]

With all due respect, we beat ourselves in the KSU game. No bones about it. KSU certainly played well enough to win and their D earned 7 points, but we beat ourselves.

Well, the pressure on Landry was huge in that game...that leads to TO's. I'm hoping we can do the same.

It's gonna be a helluva game either way, but I was just pointing out some things that I think will be critical for us.

 

[irishpat183]

True.
But I would say we are "fine" against the run. Not great, but not bad. We had 2 starting DTs out against UTEP, so one of our starting DEs played DT and a backup DE played in his spot. We also played a lot of nickel because UTEP is a spread team, and they exploited our weakness in the middle, and being short a linebacker on the field.

Since then, both DTs are back, and we've had a lot of improvement against the run. We will also game plan to stop it in this game, rather than game planning against a spread.

But like I said, run defense is probably our weakest area. But we're still not bad there.

We're a spread team as well.

 

[woolybug25]

True.
But I would say we are "fine" against the run. Not great, but not bad. We had 2 starting DTs out against UTEP, so one of our starting DEs played DT and a backup DE played in his spot. We also played a lot of nickel because UTEP is a spread team, and they exploited our weakness in the middle, and being short a linebacker on the field.

Since then, both DTs are back, and we've had a lot of improvement against the run. We will also game plan to stop it in this game, rather than game planning against a spread.

But like I said, run defense is probably our weakest area. But we're still not bad there.

You guys aren't "fine" against the run. Despite playing pass-happy Big12 teams you still rank #46 in the country in run defense. LA State, Tulsa and East Carolina all have better rushing defenses. This.... while only playing two teams in the top 50 in rushing. One of which, ran all over you and beat you, the other being #49th and coached by Charlie Weis.

There is no stat that backs up OU having a stout running defense.

 

[btown35]

Key to the game:

1) Survive the opening scare
2) No Turnovers
3) Run the football
4) Rattle Landry Jones with pressure
5) Make them one dimensional
6) Have some big plays in the passing game

 

[irishpat183]

You guys aren't "fine" against the run. Despite playing pass-happy Big12 teams you still rank #46 in the country in run defense. LA State, Tulsa and East Carolina all have better rushing defenses. This.... while only playing two teams in the top 50 in rushing. One of which, ran all over you and beat you, the other being #49th and coached by Charlie Weis.

There is no stat that backs up OU having a stout running defense.

He dropped the Charlie Weis bomb!


And Wooly, you hit it on the head. They're suspect at best. Secondary is solid, very good, but the run D isn't good at all.

 

[woolybug25]

He dropped the Charlie Weis bomb!


And Wooly, you hit it on the head. They're suspect at best. Secondary is solid, very good, but the run D isn't good at all.

I answered Chubler in the other thread, but since it's the topic of conversation in here to, here ya go.

They rank #46 in rushing defense despite playing in the pass happy Big12 and only facing two top 50 rushing teams. They are mediocre at best when it comes to rushing defense.

As mediocre as they are in rushing defense, they are the polar opposite in pass defense. They rank #9 while playing in the pass happy Big12. I would be shocked if we effectively passed against them. They have one of the best secondaries in the country.

They rank #15 in total defense, which is pretty good. Keep in mind though; BYU, scUM and MichSt all are ranked higher. According to today's statistics, they are the fourth best defense that we have faced.