Blue Gold game 2015

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Mostly on the same page with you except for Golson-he'd be my starter unless Kelly runs the ball 60 % of the time which he will not do. I'd change them up in the game to keep Zaire happy with paying time but Golson is the guy. If not I would expect him to transfer ( which he isn't going to do ) because that talent should not be wasted on the bench. Last year he was ask to carry things and it blew up in everyones face because the defense was gutted from the beginning and then came the injuries. This offensive line is maybe the best I've seen at Notre Dame for depth/talent/toughness-what a bunch of studs. They go 8 deep at least. What I saw today from the defense gives the impression that they can control games-do that with this offense and for the first time in 15 years I say they might run the table. This is a better team than 2012 by far but they don't have the best player in the country on defense like the 2012 team did. They are loaded and I will put the word out and the hell with a jinx-11 wins or maybe all of them. You'll know right off the get go if they man handle a much improve Texas team-if they do watch out brother.
 

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I never wear my wedding band either, married 5 years in a few months. I'm in computers and I'm always typing, the ring kind of gets in the way. Maybe I chose the wrong wring, I dunno, but I've got big hands and it's annoying to wear it and type.

We got a twenty dollar piece of tin at a Mexican swap meet to 'stand in' for my wedding ring when we got married, the intent was to get me a nice one within a year.... Seven years later that beat up thing is still my ring and I wear it every day... If I go to work having forgot to put it on I feel strange all day...
 

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And why are the roll out plays always to the weak arm side of the QB. They always have to throw across their body while twisting their hips 90°

I noticed that, too. At least one weak side roll out play each for both Golson and Zaire where the throws were really awkward.
 

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maybe the plays were designed to give the QB's a challenge/work on their weaknesses or something
 

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And why are the roll out plays always to the weak arm side of the QB. They always have to throw across their body while twisting their hips 90°

It's 'possible' that a rollout is called in the huddle and based on the defense / edge , the quarterback determines the actual play in his cadence. We used to do that in high school all the time.
 
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It's 'possible' that a rollout is called in the huddle and based on the defense / edge , the quarterback determines the actual play in his cadence. We used to do that in high school all the time.

Kelly said that (more than once.)

Plays and defenses were called to show Brian Kelly what Brian Kelly wanted to see out of players and position groups. So I have to chuckle when it is announced that Kelly is calling plays for the spring game and someone wants to extrapolate anything about Mike Sanford and his place in the ND coaching staff.

Kelly wanted to see :

EG's footwork and zone read options;
EG keeping depth and not moving his game too close to the line of scrimmage; *
Both quarterback's footwork;
Malik throwing the ball;
Malik's decision making;
The offensive line's ability to execute zone blocking schemes, and ability to dominate;
Evaluate play of some offensive linemen;
Safety play;
Working some of the injured players back in and escaping without injuries.

I am far from knowledgeable about quarterbacking. In spite of that, after hearing more educated sources talk about mechanics, EG playing too close to the line of scrimmage, especially before he makes his reads, about the guys not bringing their hips through, and squaring their shoulders, etc., I wonder if that wasn't full time Mike Sanford's job. After all MZ didn't really throw until his senior year and though he showed well in the Elite competition, his mechanics were labeled as weak.

And EG, went from no QB coach (hyperbole) to La Fleur (worse than no coach????) to the west coast guru. I have always wondered, being from a system design background how going to a "consultant" works for a quarterback playing in a system. How does a kid like EG not suffer from having too many cooks stirring the pot. Or did the west coast guru and Kelly communicate and point out that EG brought his option game too close to the line of scrimmage? Seems like a big thing; and the proof is in the pudding, because Golson's footwork was roundly approved by Flutie yesterday, and his option game was incredibly more effective (by anyone's opinion, wasn't it?)

My observations were :

The O-line is on the path to absolute dominance. Their performance was stunning, and consistent. McGlinchey, Bars, Nelson, and Elmer absolutely destroyed people yesterday! Yes, I didn't mention Stanley, because he was doing that regularly by the end of last year.

I feel there was a lot of observation of offensive line-play (specifics), because the first group played together, in other words Stanley played a lot of the scrimmage for having a place guaranteed, and a potential AA season.+ Though plenty played from the o-line, the perceived starting unit played together throughout. Few subbed in for that first six, until several or more subbed in together.

The running backs seemed to be a different animal. I will need to see a lot more footage of them, but I think AD has them fanatically pumping their legs, and positioning themselves to deliver a blow. I will need to see this all season long, but it looks promising.

I saw some incredibly athletic defense. With the exception of last spring game with BVG having some fun, dialing things up against EG, every spring game we see the same vanilla defense, and hear each other saying the same things about not seeing enough on defense.

Yesterday I saw some of the most athletic defensive plays I can remember in a spring game. Coney, Morgan, Onwualu, and Martini all showed some incredible athletic ability! Grace looked incredibly good! Smith is Smith. Everyone knew exactly where they were supposed to be. Some pursuit to the sideline was at light speed! These linebackers are getting to be fast cats!

The defensive linemen were solid and dependable. They were no pushover for what I see as an improved offensive line. And they were deep. Even guys like Randolph and Williams contributed. Hayes was really good. All the underclass advanced play (Tillery) and Bonner was still out!

+ Forgot to add my hypothesis. Now that the national big name talking heads and recruiting guru's have gone on the record calling Stanley a possible first round choice had he come out in '14, he will make everyone's pre-season AA teams this year. From that, with even a mediocre season he will appear at the end of the season as someone's AA!
 
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As to rolling out against your throwing hand: if your mechanics and "attention to detail" are functioning, the weakside rollout should be at least as easy to do if not easier. I learned this shooting and coaching shooting in basketball. When you're moving against your weak side, it is imperative that you plant hard and square up before delivering either a shot or a pass --- but anyone with any athleticism can find that very easy to do, and even get to feel "natural" as your body eases down into athletic position before firing.

On the other hand, when you're moving to your strong side, there's a big psychological tendency to go all "gunslinger" out there and not plant and square away. I knew many BBall scorers who were far lower in their percentages going to their strong hand side [on arcs] than going opposite and squaring up each time.

As to Kelly coaching to call more plays one way or the other, I doubt that this is true. QBs should simply read the defense and respond, or perhaps in a given game the opponent is softer one way or another. If Everett or Malik could NOT pass from motion both ways, I doubt that Coach would consider this a QB competition. Last thing that we need are QBs whose talents void out large numbers of pages in the playbook [a la Tommy, God bless him].
 
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I will post this same thing in the EG and Spring Game thread.

I just talked to someone who I trust, and has forgotten more than I will ever know.

He said that he, and everyone he spoke to, (several), all agreed that their were major differences with the quarterbacks mechanics, from footwork, to throwing, major advances in reading defenses, (Showed with Kizer, even though he had a stinky day throwing the ball), hell even in calling cadences and communicating audibles. The days of having one quarterback that can play because he is the only one that can reasonably protect himself, (therefore not end up dead), may just be over at ND.

Also, the leg drive, hips underneath, lower pad level, blocking ability of running backs has improved markedly. (Both of these make the O-line look spectacular, by the way.)

And the D-backs, linebackers, and d-linemen are equally improved. One guy claimed it had been since Ara or Devine that there had been that clean of play across the roster. Everyone agreed that it had at least been since Holtz's first six years.

My strong half-assed gut feeling is that it is Kelly responding to Jenkins and Swarbrick, making himself the CEO and facilitator, and stopping micromanagement of his position coaches. This staff expansion and broad coaching change has allowed for a lot of innovation, preserving the best of the best, and improving on what needed fixing.

Call it letting Mike Sanford, Autry Denson, and Todd Lyght coach :

Running backs fanatic leg drive - Autry Denson.
Running backs blocking - Autry Denson
QB's out to the ball, calling plays, calling good cadences, and running up and down the line shouting the audible - Mike Sanford
Quarterbacks looking and playing like quarterbacks - Mike Sanford *
It is great that ES and MR get the adulation for their work, but their ascendance with Messr Watkins - All Todd Lyght (A little BVG)

* Even DeShone Kizer who threw the most poorly of the three, still looked like a better QB, game manager, than ND has had in a spring game since JC.
 

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I did not see the game. Can someone give me a brief three or four sentence wrap up without everyone being a Heisman candidate or AA?
 

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I will post this same thing in the EG and Spring Game thread.

I just talked to someone who I trust, and has forgotten more than I will ever know.

He said that he, and everyone he spoke to, (several), all agreed that their were major differences with the quarterbacks mechanics, from footwork, to throwing, major advances in reading defenses, (Showed with Kizer, even though he had a stinky day throwing the ball), hell even in calling cadences and communicating audibles. The days of having one quarterback that can play because he is the only one that can reasonably protect himself, (therefore not end up dead), may just be over at ND.

Also, the leg drive, hips underneath, lower pad level, blocking ability of running backs has improved markedly. (Both of these make the O-line look spectacular, by the way.)

And the D-backs, linebackers, and d-linemen are equally improved. One guy claimed it had been since Ara or Devine that there had been that clean of play across the roster. Everyone agreed that it had at least been since Holtz's first six years.

My strong half-assed gut feeling is that it is Kelly responding to Jenkins and Swarbrick, making himself the CEO and facilitator, and stopping micromanagement of his position coaches. This staff expansion and broad coaching change has allowed for a lot of innovation, preserving the best of the best, and improving on what needed fixing.

Call it letting Mike Sanford, Autry Denson, and Todd Lyght coach :

Running backs fanatic leg drive - Autry Denson.
Running backs blocking - Autry Denson
QB's out to the ball, calling plays, calling good cadences, and running up and down the line shouting the audible - Mike Sanford
Quarterbacks looking and playing like quarterbacks - Mike Sanford *
It is great that ES and MR get the adulation for their work, but their ascendance with Messr Watkins - All Todd Lyght (A little BVG)

* Even DeShone Kizer who threw the most poorly of the three, still looked like a better QB, game manager, than ND has had in a spring game since JC.

Are you talking to Crazy Balki (sp?) again?
 
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Not much to say because it looked like a bunch of AA's out there!

Hunter Biven played badly.
DeShone Kizer threw poorly.
Tyler Luatua pissed off the coaches by jumping on an uneven cadence, called to pull the defense, after two defenders crossed the neutral zone.
Schmidt, Baratti, and Jones all looked like AA's from the sideline.
Mike Heuerman did not show up.
Brent and Holmes had a penalty (each) and a touchdown.
Fuller smiled in an interview when thinking about the 60 + yard touchdown pass Zaire put out for him perfectly in stride.
 
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Was a tight one. Came down to the last play. AA defense stepped up and stopped our AA offense.
 

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the recap from UND

SOUTH BEND, Ind. (AP) Notre Dame's spring game did little to determine who will be the starting quarterback in the fall other than showing Malik Zaire can throw a long pass but can't catch one.

Zaire threw a perfectly timed 68-yard touchdown pass that Will Fuller caught at the 6 and raced in for a touchdown midway through the second quarter. But then on a flea-flicker play drawn up by a fan to start the third quarter, Everett Golson attempted a long pass to Zaire but safety Max Redfield jumped higher and picked it off. Redfield appeared to taunt Zaire lying on the ground, then took off and was credited with a touchdown even though officials blew the whistle at midfield.

Neither quarterback talked to the media after the game. Golson hasn't talked to the media since the end of last season.

Coach Brian Kelly said each player needs to focus on his own play.

''All they can control is what's in their purview and that is the fundamentals of what we've asked them to work on, and the rest they can't really worry about. It's not their call,'' he said.

Zaire, who started the Music City Bowl in a win against LSU, had the slightly better game statistically, completing 8 of 14 passes for 137 yards with no interceptions.

Golson, who lost his starting job after committing 22 turnovers last season, was 7 of 15 passing for 83 yards with one interception.

Golson needs to work on consistency and efficiency with his read-option game and making good decisions. Kelly said Golson passed up a wide-open receiver that would have given the Irish more room to punt and instead tried to make a big play. He added Zaire needs to improve his focus and passing, saying he's made great progress with his mechanics.

Linebacker Jaylon Smith said he's pulling for whoever will help the Irish win.

''They both provide the ability to run and they both have a strong arm. It's just about which one you want,'' he said. ''I'm glad I don't get to make that decision.''

Other things to know learned about Notre Dame in the spring game:

HYBRID PROSISE: C.J. Prosise was a safety as a freshman and played wide receiver the past two seasons. He has been working as a running back and was the leading rusher Saturday with 64 yards on 12 carries, including knocking Redfield down hard on one hit. ''C.J. Prosise was impressive with not only his ability to break into the second level but he showed his toughness in lowering his pads and playing physical,'' Kelly said. ''He's really rounding into a guy that you're going to fear.''

ESTABLISHING IDENTITY: With the Irish opening the season with games against Texas, Virginia and Georgia Tech, Kelly said the Irish can't wait to develop an identity. Tackle Ronnie Stanley said 11 of the first 12 plays in the spring games were runs and perhaps a signal. ''Just having the ability to run when we want to run the ball, go at the pace we'd like to as an offense. I do think that's a big change in identity from a year previous to now.''

DEFENSIVE IDENITY: Linebacker Jaylon Smith said the defense has to develop an identity of its own as a physical defense. ''We have a bad rep of being soft, intelligent smart guys at Notre Dame. But along with that, we have to have that mental and physical mentality. We have the capacity. It's just about turning that switch. So it's something we're emphasizing.''

GRACE RETURNS: Linebacker Jarrett Grace showed he's ready to contribute again after missing the entire 2014 season after breaking his right leg in four places in 2013. He nearly sacked Golson on one play and nearly intercepted a pass. ''He has established himself as a middle linebacker that can come in and help us in a number of different situations. He's smart, he gets guys lined up, he gets himself lined up and he can play,'' Kelly said.

MAX PLAY: Kelly has been complimentary all spring of the play of safety Max Redfield, who had struggled last season. In addition to the interception, Redfield led the team with six tackles, including one for a loss
 

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No way Golson doesn't transfer. Why risk not starting your last year when 20+ teams would almost guarantee him a start at this point? Good schools too...
 

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No way Golson doesn't transfer. Why risk not starting your last year when 20+ teams would almost guarantee him a start at this point? Good schools too...

Thank you for this in-depth and surely founded analysis.
 

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Also I don't think Kelly had a wedding ring on. Is that normal?

They never talk about his wife though or kids though. They showed his mom, dad, and brother and talked about how he bought them a place and the go to every game and still no mention of her.
 

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They never talk about his wife though or kids though. They showed his mom, dad, and brother and talked about how he bought them a place and the go to every game and still no mention of her.

Really? I feel like they talk about Pacqui, her battle with cancer and the Kelly Cares Foundation almost every game.
 

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Pretty dull, Kelly called more run plays then he will for the entire season. Seemed like a great strategy to help the QB battle process, Not. Wasted opportunity to have both run a 2 min drill. Running clock is a joke, at least stop it for side changes or the useless punt. Which all punts were horrid btw.

They usually are. I never get hyped about spring games. Everything is so scripted. Coaching staff wants to evaluate specific instances and how players react in those circumstances.
 

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And why are the roll out plays always to the weak arm side of the QB. They always have to throw across their body while twisting their hips 90°

They did it a bunch last year as well. Teams expect plays to the strong side. They're looking to get a slight advantage. Ara loved going to the weak side, especially to the short side of the field.
 

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They usually are. I never get hyped about spring games. Everything is so scripted. Coaching staff wants to evaluate specific instances and how players react in those circumstances.

id prefer is the walk on's actually got a full 2nd half just play and have fun.
 
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