Big10 - 4yr guaranteed scholarship

[Irish YJ]

Some in Big Ten offering 4-year scholarships - ESPN

Step in the right direction. Thought they'd be taking a step back with Urban Liar joining the conference. Would love to see this make it to the SEC....

 

[IrishAlum1997]

Hate scUM, hate Sparty, hate the Suckeyes. Love this move. Down with the SEC!!!

 

[arahop]

this would play a huge role in putting an end to oversigning!!! Beat it SEC!

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Tip of the cap to B1G.

 

[phgreek]

WoW...WAY TO GO Big....

That makes me feel like there are some ok folks left in the game!

 

[irishtrain]

WoW...WAY TO GO Big....

That makes me feel like there are some ok folks left in the game!

First of many moves in the direction of evening the playing field. Next step is to have a minimum academic profile that is common throughout the country other than the one now which is they meet the reguirements at that certain school. I'm not talking quanity here I mean quality. What is acceptable in the SEC is not par every where else.

 

[phgreek]

First of many moves in the direction of evening the playing field. Next step is to have a minimum academic profile that is common throughout the country other than the one now which is they meet the reguirements at that certain school. I'm not talking quanity here I mean quality. What is acceptable in the SEC is not par every where else.

...well slap my face...I figured the SEC's way would come over the other conferences...

this is such good news...gettin some Student back in student-athlete

 

[SaltyND24]

Great to see this news...I, however, was more than upset hearing the SEC/ OSU apologists on EPSN talk about how oversigning protects schools and coaches from kids that change their minds...Literally made me ill

 

[tadman95]

I think the SEC had a proposal for 4 year scholarships but the coaches were pretty animate against it. Even the 2nd tier programs opposed it.

It would sure help even out the playing field.

 

[phork]

Still scratching my head at why everyone is so excited about this. This does nothing in the grand scheme of things. If you think the South is going to adopt this, you are nuts. This is really kind of been an unwritten rule in the North forever and all its gotten us is our asses handed to us on the field. So essentially while morally fantastic it cripples a school.

And save me the "rah rah take care of the kids" speech. I get it. College Football does not however, and until a day the South is forced to comply and create STUDENT athletes, we will continue to lose out.

 

[phgreek]

Still scratching my head at why everyone is so excited about this. This does nothing in the grand scheme of things. If you think the South is going to adopt this, you are nuts. This is really kind of been an unwritten rule in the North forever and all its gotten us is our asses handed to us on the field. So essentially while morally fantastic it cripples a school.

And save me the "rah rah take care of the kids" speech. I get it. College Football does not however, and until a day the South is forced to comply and create STUDENT athletes, we will continue to lose out.

I don't disagree that the South does their thing...

...I think if the formal commitment the big put in place "spreads" you'll see alot of fingers pointed south, and you'll see congressional level pressure on the Southern holdouts...

...and they will always do the minimum, so in that regard they will always have an advantage to some degree...but I think that advantage takes a huge blow in the next 5-7 years.

Here's hoping anyway...

 

[Redbar]

Still scratching my head at why everyone is so excited about this. This does nothing in the grand scheme of things. If you think the South is going to adopt this, you are nuts. This is really kind of been an unwritten rule in the North forever and all its gotten us is our asses handed to us on the field. So essentially while morally fantastic it cripples a school.

And save me the "rah rah take care of the kids" speech. I get it. College Football does not however, and until a day the South is forced to comply and create STUDENT athletes, we will continue to lose out.

So what? There will always be people that make their hay in the grey areas, it is encouraging to see that some people are trending away from that. The more people that do the easier it will be for people to see that some in the SEC are club teams operating out of universities trying to have the best of both worlds. You are right though until we take JUCO's, get rid of four year scholly's, grey shirt and make exceptions for anyone who can really play, we will not consistently beat teams that do that. So do you suggest we get in the mud with them? It's not gonna happen, wouldn't want it to. Eventually the SEC can pay their players, and eliminate school all together and then they can start playing on Sunday for all I care(but I bet the NFL would have a lot to say about that). The B1G is affirming that there is still room for the concept of amateur football.

 

[phork]

You guys are missing the point. This has been an unwritten rule up this way for quite some time. Formalizing it by putting it in stone really does nothing.

I don't know what the answer is. But a local Sports Talk guy flat out said it. In order to compete with those teams skirting the edges of the rules, and if you want to succeed you will have to do the same.

Until the time comes when 85 is the hard cap on scholarships. Until 25 Max signing classes is hard capped. Until the NCAA grows some nuts and starts enforcing the rules to protect STUDENT athletes, we will continue to be disadvantaged.

7 Straight SEC BCS champions agree.

 

[Redbar]

You guys are missing the point. This has been an unwritten rule up this way for quite some time. Formalizing it by putting it in stone really does nothing.

I don't know what the answer is. But a local Sports Talk guy flat out said it. In order to compete with those teams skirting the edges of the rules, and if you want to succeed you will have to do the same.

Until the time comes when 85 is the hard cap on scholarships. Until 25 Max signing classes is hard capped. Until the NCAA grows some nuts and starts enforcing the rules to protect STUDENT athletes, we will continue to be disadvantaged.

7 Straight SEC BCS champions agree.

Or maybe the rest of us could grow some nuts and leave the BCS and NCAA to monitor and award the SEC and all the rest of us could form our own more amateur association. The SEC has long intimated that they might take their ball and go home if the BCS or NCAA didn't work for them. Maybe it's time everyone else say this system isn't working for us! They seem like that are about as corrupt as the SEC. I say rather than join 'em and try to win at their game, just leave them to their devices and play our game with like minded universities.

 

[Redbar]

I wouldn't follow the South's lead on many things and I am from and live down here! Particularly when we are talking about, lets be honest, the exploitation of African American's for economic gain

 

[IrishInChains]

I would post the link guys, but in a situation where I can't. The Montgomery Advisor ran a story this morning that bashed Saban and Praised Auburn. Auburn gave all 20 of their players who signed yesterday 4 year scholarships. And also said they will continue to do this in the future. This may have already been talked about.

 

[ACamp1900]

Somewhere the SEC is laughing their *** off... "Another one bites the dust."

 

[IrishInChains]

It's Montgomery advertiser.....sorry about that.

 

[Redbar]

I would post the link guys, but in a situation where I can't. The Montgomery Advisor ran a story this morning that bashed Saban and Praised Auburn. Auburn gave all 20 of their players who signed yesterday 4 year scholarships. And also said they will continue to do this in the future. This may have already been talked about.

I applaud them, too! It's baby steps, but eventually the marginal practices should be ostracized not joined.

 

[phgreek]

You guys are missing the point. This has been an unwritten rule up this way for quite some time. Formalizing it by putting it in stone really does nothing.

I don't know what the answer is. But a local Sports Talk guy flat out said it. In order to compete with those teams skirting the edges of the rules, and if you want to succeed you will have to do the same.

Until the time comes when 85 is the hard cap on scholarships. Until 25 Max signing classes is hard capped. Until the NCAA grows some nuts and starts enforcing the rules to protect STUDENT athletes, we will continue to be disadvantaged.

7 Straight SEC BCS champions agree.

...I hear you...I caught your point about this being nothing new in practice...

here is mine...there is something more powerfull when an entire conference stands up and crafts a document to specifically contrast themselves w/ the SEC...It makes people who are otherwise not sensative to the issue ask...why is this a big deal? The more frequently this happens, the more anger is directed at the NCAA and SEC. This, I believe is both tactical and strategic in its nature, and I hope it is the beginning of a National discussion on this topic...if it becomes a National discussion, the NCAA will be forced to shut it down...

Hard caps help...but they still reward a minimalist academic approach...to address that I believe a unified academic standard is better, and as I always say, instead of hard caps, allow advantages to schools who perform the best in the classroom...e.g. the 85% graduation benchmark I always talk about....if you meet it you get 85 schollies...if you fail...you lose a scholly for every % point below 85...you get a scholly for every % above 85% grad rate.

To address the inevitable "access" issue the South will certainly raise (they will assuredly pull out all the stops including the race card...bet on it...so by access I mean by doing this you deny access to certain classes of students) You make all divisions I-III scholarship institutions w/ the same academic standards and the same rules for schollies...DONE.

Will the SEC ever allow the NCAA to do it...no. So hard caps are the current realistic goal...I will cede that point. Do I think the big's action changes anything in practice...no...does it matter they did this...Hell Yes!

 

[phgreek]

Somewhere the SEC is laughing their *** off... "Another one bites the dust."

...only if their presidents and conference officials graduated from SEC schools..then I could see where the threat would be missed...

This is a very clear and public swipe at the SEC and to a certain degree, the NCAA itself. If another couple conferences follow...watch out.

This also gives the Big the reason and ability to clearly speak to the "dead bodies" all around the SEC programs when it comes time to compete for recruits...they are competing at the mom and dad level...but also starting a larger discussion...thought it was a brilliant move.

 

[Redbar]

...only if their presidents and conference officials graduated from SEC schools..then I could see where the threat would be missed...

This is a very clear and public swipe at the SEC and to a certain degree, the NCAA itself. If another couple conferences follow...watch out.

This also gives the Big the reason and ability to clearly speak to the "dead bodies" all around the SEC programs when it comes time to compete for recruits...they are competing at the mom and dad level...but also starting a larger discussion...thought it was a brilliant move.

Yep!