BCS Commissioner Are Jerks.

[phork]

How to get the government to pry into the BCS business:

Jim Delany Warns Non-AQ Leagues: Don't Expect More Than You're Getting -- NCAAFB FanHouse

 

[ryno 24]

The problem is that this is a business and Delaney is absolutely correct and this does not hurt ND one bit these conferences do not want to exclude ND we make a ton of money the old system would serve us best... so does the BCS if we play well... Delaney is just being honest if these smaller schools could fill seats than there would be no problem also the Big East should possibly lose their aq but these commissioners are telling the truth

 

[NDMontana]

The problem is that this is a business and Delaney is absolutely correct and this does not hurt ND one bit these conferences do not want to exclude ND we make a ton of money the old system would serve us best... so does the BCS if we play well... Delaney is just being honest if these smaller schools could fill seats than there would be no problem also the Big East should possibly lose their aq but these commissioners are telling the truth

Fill what seats? When Boise played Va. Tech in DC this year it looked pretty full. Both Fiesta Bowls BSU were in featured packed house. The Rose Bowl will be sold out too.

This is just the good ol' boys protecting the good ol' boys. I would've loved to have seen the rating comparison between, say a BSU-OSU Rose Bowl and this year's Sugar Bowl (which I have zero interest in) and the Fiesta Bowl (8-4 UConn...what a joke).

The BCS Commisioners are like the rich, fat, bald, old white guys who run the town: they don't want progress. You want to buy some of their land? They want 3x the actual value. They can keep you from prospering because they've got the money and the stroke and they don't want to share it. That's the BCS system and their personnel.

It's just too uncomfortable for them. They've thrown the Non-AQs five nuggets: Boise made good twice, TCU lost to Boise in a good, close game, Utah smacked Alabama and Hawai'i got rolled by Georgia. And all they talk about is Hawai'i. No mention of how the Non-AQs actually have a winning record in BCS games. 3-2...and the TCU loss was against Boise.

The proof is in the pudding....but these guys don't want to taste the pudding. What can you say? I guess gator meat, wild hog and duck taste better than horse meat or frogs.

 

[ACamp1900]

The BCS Commisioners are like the rich, fat, bald, old white guys who run the town: they don't want progress. You want to buy some of their land? They want 3x the actual value. They can keep you from prospering because they've got the money and the stroke and they don't want to share it. That's the BCS system and their personnel.

wow... howard zinn is that you??

Really? Your over the top characterization pretty much applies to just about every single governing body in sports today to some extent... but let's just continue to throw some b.s., non-exisitent sterotype at the ones we don't like all while ignoring others.

 

[NankerPhelge]

NDMontana--What have you got against us old, fat, bald white guys anyway?

 

[NDMontana]

wow... howard zinn is that you??

Really? Your over the top characterization pretty much applies to just about every single governing body in sports today to some extent... but let's just continue to throw some b.s., non-exisitent sterotype at the ones we don't like all while ignoring others.

I'm sorry....I must not have read the article. I think we're talking about the BCS here, right? I didn't see mention made of any other governing bodies and this is, if I'm not mistaken, the "Other College Football" forum, is it not?

If you think the BCS is a good system and that the commissioners aren't as I described them then make some points.

 

[NDMontana]

NDMontana--What have you got against us old, fat, bald white guys anyway?

Nothing. I'm twenty years off from being one myself. White? Check. Fat? Overweight but not fat....but I'll probably get there at the rate I'm going. Bald? Not yet but thinning.

 

[NankerPhelge]

Yeah, I know. The only thing I've been pretty lucky with is the hair. Old, fat, white, but with a damned good looking mullet.

 

[NDMontana]

Yeah, I know. The only thing I've been pretty lucky with is the hair. Old, fat, white, but with a damned good looking mullet.

I think I'd rather be fat and have a full head of hair then be bald. So I envy you that, my friend. It really sucks when you go to the hair stylist and she starts telling you how you can go with the in-style "messy" look to cover your bald spots. And that was without soliciting her advice.

 

[NankerPhelge]

Well, I guess we can't all be so lucky as to look like Paul Williams (shudder!).

 

[kmoose]

Fill what seats? When Boise played Va. Tech in DC this year it looked pretty full. Both Fiesta Bowls BSU were in featured packed house. The Rose Bowl will be sold out too.

The Sun Bowl will be packed, this year, too. But how many of those fans will be Miami fans?

 

[NankerPhelge]

The Sun Bowl will be packed, this year, too. But how many of those fans will be Miami fans?

Just one. But he's a dedicated sucker.

 

[NDMontana]

The Sun Bowl will be packed, this year, too. But how many of those fans will be Miami fans?

Depends on many get paroled, off probation or figure out a way to cut off their ankle monitors.

 

[ryno 24]

More fans will probably be watching and the Sun Bowl will probably get a better rating than the fiesta bowl last year... these bowls want their money's worth and the ratings were taerrible in that game

 

[IrishinSyria]

More fans will probably be watching and the Sun Bowl will probably get a better rating than the fiesta bowl last year... these bowls want their money's worth and the ratings were taerrible in that game

Really?

2009-10 Bowl Game TV Ratings
BOWL GAME TEAMS TV RATING ATTEND.

Championship Alabama-Texas
17.17 94,906
Fiesta Boise State-TCU
8.23 73,227
Orange Iowa-Georgia Tech
6.80 66,131
Rose Ohio State-Oregon
13.18 93,963
Sugar Cincinnati-Florida
8.50 65,20



Granted, that's not great... but I'd hardly call that bad for 2 mid majors playing each other. It's better than every Orange Bowl since 2006 the Bowden vs JoePa bowl). Compare to ND's last bowl game:

Sugar Notre Dame-LSU
9.29 77,781

 

[NDMontana]

More fans will probably be watching and the Sun Bowl will probably get a better rating than the fiesta bowl last year... these bowls want their money's worth and the ratings were taerrible in that game

The Boise State-TCU matchup outperformed the past three Orange Bowls and the 2008 Fiesta Bowl (Oklahoma-West Virginia).

THe game drew an 8.2 Nielsen Rating. Notre Dame's 2008 Hawai'i Bowl appearance, for comparison...drew a 2.6.

 

[GowerND11]

I love how these AQ commisioners claim that they had a "capitalist system" in place before allowing the non-AQ conferences access. That is a load of bull. That part in the article showed how they truly just want a monopoly of just half the 120 teams in the nation. And at that only about half of those teams would actually ever get considered for a NC.

Now I agree we can never have what happened when BYU won the NC in the 1980s, but come on people, some of these teams deserve legit shots. I am calling for equality under the rules, which we should strive for. If a team, AQ or non-AQ, lives up to it, they should get a shot at the NC.

 

[phork]

Non-AQs have to start in the top5 to even have a sniff, good luck if they are out of the top10 in "preseason rankings".

 

[kmoose]

Non-AQs have to start in the top5 to even have a sniff, good luck if they are out of the top10 in "preseason rankings".

So what?

You think Illinois, Indiana, Vanderbilt, Washington State, or Baylor would sniff the NC game, if they didn't start VERY highly ranked? Why should I feel beed for the Non-AQs, when some of the AQ schools they have the same road to hoe to get to a NC game?

 

[IrishLax]

So what?

You think Illinois, Indiana, Vanderbilt, Washington State, or Baylor would sniff the NC game, if they didn't start VERY highly ranked? Why should I feel beed for the Non-AQs, when some of the AQ schools they have the same road to hoe to get to a NC game?

This!

There will NEVER be a "fair" NC system as long as pre-season rankings have such a huge impact on what schools get to play for the NC.

The BCS was not a "gift" to non-AQs.... it was a way for power conference to "legitimize" their claims on a NC and keep their stranglehold on the power. If they didn't put in the BCS we would already have a playoff.

 

[IrishinSyria]

This!

There will NEVER be a "fair" NC system as long as pre-season rankings have such a huge impact on what schools get to play for the NC.

The BCS was not a "gift" to non-AQs.... it was a way for power conference to "legitimize" their claims on a NC and keep their stranglehold on the power. If they didn't put in the BCS we would already have a playoff.

Which is why this isn't a "pity those poor non-BCS" schools thread and more of a blow up the BCS thread. I think.

 

[kmoose]

This!

There will NEVER be a "fair" NC system as long as pre-season rankings have such a huge impact on what schools get to play for the NC.

To be fair........ Boise State was in the Top 5, and TCU in the Top 7, in both of the major human polls (AP and USA Today), this preseason.

My personal opinion is that the mid-majors want too much respect, too quickly. They think that 3 or 4 years of dominant play, in a really weak conference, entitles them to the same respect that teams that have dominated really good conferences get.

 

[phork]

So what?

You think Illinois, Indiana, Vanderbilt, Washington State, or Baylor would sniff the NC game, if they didn't start VERY highly ranked? Why should I feel beed for the Non-AQs, when some of the AQ schools they have the same road to hoe to get to a NC game?

MSU wasn't ranked, and if not for their slip up at Iowa might actually be in the NC game. This is the point. MSU unranked. TCU ranked in the top5 all year couldn't even break in. MSU came from nowhere and almost ended up in the NC game. Hell I don't think Stanford was ranked either.

If these people were actually concerned about crowning a true NC, then all comers would be equal.

 

[kmoose]

MSU wasn't ranked, and if not for their slip up at Iowa might actually be in the NC game. This is the point. MSU unranked. TCU ranked in the top5 all year couldn't even break in. MSU came from nowhere and almost ended up in the NC game. Hell I don't think Stanford was ranked either.

If these people were actually concerned about crowning a true NC, then all comers would be equal.

As long as the TCUs and BSUs of the world play in conferences that are FAR weaker than the Big Tens, SECs, PAC-10s, all comers will not be equal. Nor should they be.

 

[Rocket89]

Unless you really love the BCS, I can't see how you could be satisfied with this discussion between the conference commissioners.

I think it's all too much of a distraction.

Basically Delany is saying, we've been around since 1904, we've already thrown these non-BCS teams a bone, don't make us go back to the old system!!

Way to sell the BCS Jim!!

God, I can't wait until we have a playoff.

 

[kmoose]

Unless you really love the BCS, I can't see how you could be satisfied with this discussion between the conference commissioners.

I think it's all too much of a distraction.

Basically Delany is saying, we've been around since 1904, we've already thrown these non-BCS teams a bone, don't make us go back to the old system!!

Way to sell the BCS Jim!!

God, I can't wait until we have a playoff.

What I heard him say was, "We BCS conferences are the ones who have made college football a money making venture. Don't think that you can come along and demand that you get an equal share." And I don't think he meant that they can't play in a NC game. I heard him saying that the non-AQ conferences are demanding more of the money, and that the big draw schools were not going to give $100 to a school that only brings in $1 of the revenue. And he's right, in my opinion. The non-AQ schools have access to the NC game, and the other BCS bowls. If they continue to have success in those games, then they will begin to bring even more and more to the table. At that point (and not before), I would support their claims to more of the BCS money. Ohio State/Notre Dame/USC didn't get to be college football icons, over a 5-10 year span. It took them decades. Yet, the BSUs and TCUs of the world want the same kind of respect, after only a relatively few years of success.

 

[ryno 24]

Non AQs would have a really difficult time making the national chapionship but do Big East Teams look at Cincy last year undefeated ... these schools dont have as big of a fan base and because of that the bcs games do not want them in the games kmoose is exactly correct you have too build up your reputation

 

[IrishinSyria]

Here's the thing though, is there any objective way to say that the WAC, for example, wasn't stronger than the Pac-10 this year? Nevada killed Cal, Boise beat Oregon St. and USC got into a shootout with Hawaii. And I give Oregon State, Cal, and Hawaii a lot of credit for scheduling those games.

Currently, the big teams in the power conferences play almost nobody out of conference and instead rely on pre-season ratings and the reputation of the in-conference big name teams to build up their strength of schedule. The SEC is the worst offender here; LSU, Alabama, Auburn and South Carolina combined might have played one tough out of conference game.

 

[kmoose]

Here's the thing though, is there any objective way to say that the WAC, for example, wasn't stronger than the Pac-10 this year? Nevada killed Cal, Boise beat Oregon St. and USC got into a shootout with Hawaii. And I give Oregon State, Cal, and Hawaii a lot of credit for scheduling those games.

Nevada, Boise State, and Hawaii all were tied atop the WAC standings, at 7-1 in conference. USC was 4th in the PAC-10 (5-4 in conference), Oregon State was 5th (4-5), and Cal was 8th (3-6). So the examples here only show that the best teams in the WAC are able to beat mediocre, middle of the road or worse, teams in the PAC-10.

 

[IrishinSyria]

Nevada, Boise State, and Hawaii all were tied atop the WAC standings, at 7-1 in conference. USC was 4th in the PAC-10 (5-4 in conference), Oregon State was 5th (4-5), and Cal was 8th (3-6). So the examples here only show that the best teams in the WAC are able to beat mediocre, middle of the road or worse, teams in the PAC-10.

But that's the only sample. If SEC teams or PAC 10 teams scheduled 2 tough out of conference games a year, we could compare conferences based on on the field results in a given year. But they don't. Everybody is told that the SEC is the best conference, but what support is there for that argument this year? Virtually none.