Awards Thread

[pkt77242]

Did you watch any games this season?

Is this a proverbial question?

Are we undefeated in part due to his performance?

Is there no one else!?

Veer Option actually has a valid question. These awards are usually part stats and part perception/how much the player is talked about.

Zach Ertz 66 rec 837 yds 6 TDS
Tyler Eifert 44 rec 624 yds 4 TDS

You could easily make a case for Ertz to win the award as well especially based on stats. Yes you pulled the whole "we are undeafeated in part due to his performance" but if you watched any of Stanford's games this year then you know that their WR suck and the TEs are all that they have.

 

[ThePiombino]

That seems to be the theme around here.....LOL


We can't just keep saying that every award "isn't about stats"...



And I think this is more about Tylers career, than this season. Because he wasn't the best TE in the nation THIS year...Ertz was. (sorry, had to throw it out there)

We can keep saying that, because it's true. Eifert's contributions to the team weren't measured in receptions or touchdowns (though those were nice), but rather his complete game and other teams' need to gameplan around this guy. Sometimes two, three defenders had to keep tabs on him- that's how dangerous he was/is. He's become a very good blocker. He's come through with big catch after big catch. So while the overall numbers weren't there, there are a number of other factors that justify this award. Oh, also- without him (much like Manti), this team would not be undefeated and headed to the NCG.

 

[pkt77242]

We can keep saying that, because it's true. Eifert's contributions to the team weren't measured in receptions or touchdowns (though those were nice), but rather his complete game and other teams' need to gameplan around this guy. Sometimes two, three defenders had to keep tabs on him- that's how dangerous he was/is. He's become a very good blocker. He's come through with big catch after big catch. So while the overall numbers weren't there, there are a number of other factors that justify this award. Oh, also- without him (much like Manti), this team would not be undefeated and headed to the NCG.

You can make a similar arguement about Ertz at Stanford and he is probably even more important to that offense.

Notre Dame Fighting Irish 2012 Statistics - Team and Player Stats - College Football - ESPN

Stanford Cardinal 2012 Statistics - Team and Player Stats - College Football - ESPN

Ertz had more than twice as many receptions as the next player on their team.

 

[PraetorianND]

Veer Option actually has a valid question. These awards are usually part stats and part perception/how much the player is talked about.

Zach Ertz 66 rec 837 yds 6 TDS
Tyler Eifert 44 rec 624 yds 4 TDS

You could easily make a case for Ertz to win the award as well especially based on stats. Yes you pulled the whole "we are undeafeated in part due to his performance" but if you watched any of Stanford's games this year then you know that their WR suck and the TEs are all that they have.

I think Eifert should have won it last year. Make up call.

 

[johnnykillz]

Well hell.

Since our votes count and the rest of those guys on the committee are idiots and obvious Notre Dame homers: I vote we give it back.

Oh wait.

Never mind.

 

[bobbyok1]

MACKEY AWARD

2011 winner was Dwayne Allen of Clemson here is his stat line for 14 games

49 catches, 592 yards, 12.08/catch, 8 TD's.

2011 Eifert stats 13 games (one less game I might point out)

63 catches, 803 yards, 12.75/catch, 5 TD's.

Last year Allen won even though Eifert had superior stats. This year Eifert won over Ertz from Stanford even though Ertz had superior stats. With this in mind it is clear those awarding the Mackey trophy factor in more than hard stats when choosing a winner. Therefore, I think we can assume there is no ND bias here awarding the trophy to Tyler over Ertz this year just because he plays for Notre Dame.

The only other possible assumption I can make based on the past couple of years is they have no clue what they are doing. You decide

 

[ThePiombino]

You can make a similar arguement about Ertz at Stanford and he is probably even more important to that offense.

Notre Dame Fighting Irish 2012 Statistics - Team and Player Stats - College Football - ESPN

Stanford Cardinal 2012 Statistics - Team and Player Stats - College Football - ESPN

Ertz had more than twice as many receptions as the next player on their team.

Again- you're basing this on stats. I just made an argument AGAINST stats. Eifert is the best offensive player on the only undefeated team in FBS. Like I said, this team would not be undefeated without him. Ertz may have been equally important to Stanford, but they're not undefeated and heading into the NCG.

 

[pkt77242]

Well hell.

Since our votes count and the rest of those guys on the committee are idiots and obvious Notre Dame homers: I vote we give it back.

Oh wait.

Never mind.

So now we can't discuss anything on the forum that can't vote on? Is this the best arguement that you have?

 

[pkt77242]

Again- you're basing this on stats. I just made an argument AGAINST stats. Eifert is the best offensive player on the only undefeated team in FBS. Like I said, this team would not be undefeated without him. Ertz may have been equally important to Stanford, but they're not undefeated and heading into the NCG.

I agree, I pointed out earlier that Eifert probably one because of perception but I would actually argue that Ertz is more important to Stanford than Eifert is to ND, and yes I know that won't be popular on here.

I am very happy for Eifert and I think he is the best TE in the nation. I think he was hampered by the fact that Golson didn't look his way much during the beginning of the year.

Also that post you quoted wasn't about pure stats it was about how their stats compared to the rest of their teams stats which would be evidence of how much they meant to their team and their teams offense.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Some of these posts would come off as a little more intelligent if, oh, say for instance, blocking were even discussed. Everybody wants to talk about the running game. Last I saw, a tight end was just that, the end of the offensive line.

And every Irish fan is sensitive to the offensive red zone woes, but how many "experts" or "open-minded thinkers" have a clue as to how many of these plays Tyler acted as a lead blocker (fullback) on. Because that was a major play in the Irish playbook, bringing Tyler in tight in motion and using him as a lead blocker.

Man the last Tight End I saw that crushed people on blocking like that may have been Dave Casper.

Note: Johnny, I understand your frustration. My dad used to get pissed at stupid shiit too. At least you can approach it with humor. Saint John of the Nasty Retort.

 

[yankeeND]

Eifert deserved it last year and this year. The key to it is, led team in receiving yards and TD's, blocking improved tremendously(see Cierre vs Oklahoma), and 3rd down conversions. This isn't really that hard to figure out is it?

 

[PraetorianND]

So now we can't discuss anything on the forum that can't vote on? Is this the best arguement that you have?

 

[pkt77242]

Some of these posts would come off as a little more intelligent if, oh, say for instance, blocking were even discussed. Everybody wants to talk about the running game. Last I saw, a tight end was just that, the end of the offensive line.

And every Irish fan is sensitive to the offensive red zone woes, but how many "experts" or "open-minded thinkers" have a clue as to how many of these plays Tyler acted as a lead blocker (fullback) on. Because that was a major play in the Irish playbook, bringing Tyler in tight in motion and using him as a lead blocker.

Man the last Tight End I saw that crushed people on blocking like that may have been Dave Casper.

Note: Johnny, I understand your frustration. My dad used to get pissed at stupid shiit too. At least you can approach it with humor. Saint John of the Nasty Retort.

Bog, I will agree that Eifert is a really good blocker (something he has greatly improved over the past couple of years) but how many of Stanford's games did you watch (besides the ND game)?

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Three. No, four. (Sorry forgot that was two UCLA games and they just didn't change their uniforms at half-time.)

 

[Irish8248]

I havent read the beginning of this thread so I apologize if this was already posted, but wasnt something like 32 of his 44 receptions have resulted in a first down or touchdown? pretty crazy

 

[yankeeND]

I havent read the beginning of this thread so I apologize if this was already posted, but wasnt something like 32 of his 44 receptions have resulted in a first down or touchdown? pretty crazy

That's exactly what I'm talking about! All around, Eifert was the best and always I repeat always showed up when his team needed him!

Reps!

 

[PraetorianND]

I havent read the beginning of this thread so I apologize if this was already posted, but wasnt something like 32 of his 44 receptions have resulted in a first down or touchdown? pretty crazy

That hasn't been mentioned. I wonder if there is any bias against Juniors. Does anyone know if the previous winners were mostly seniors?

 

[pkt77242]

I havent read the beginning of this thread so I apologize if this was already posted, but wasnt something like 32 of his 44 receptions have resulted in a first down or touchdown? pretty crazy

The best stats I can find for Ertz is with two games left he had 34 receptions for first downs and 5 touchdowns. I know that he got at least one more touchdown and at that pace was averaging 3 first down receptions per game so he probably ended with about 40 receptions for first downs and 6 for touchdowns.

 

[Irish8248]

no doubt Eiferts stats were hampered by a new QB. I think even Ertz fans agree. So then i would turn to the percentage 32/44 or something similar compared to 40/66... I think Ertz has a good case but I think Eifert had a good case last year. Plus he transcends beyond stats.

 

[pkt77242]

no doubt Eiferts stats were hampered by a new QB. I think even Ertz fans agree. So then i would turn to the percentage 32/44 or something similar compared to 40/66... I think Ertz has a good case but I think Eifert had a good case last year. Plus he transcends beyond stats.

To the bolded part, you could just as easily argue that Ertz was hampered by his new QBs as well. Did you watch Josh Nunes play those first couple of games. God Awful.

As to the 2nd part. I would say that the case is really even. I think that Eifert should have won last year and I think that either could have won this year.

 

[Irish8248]

So based on stats plus Ertz, based on impact with ball in hand plus Eifert, based on who teams schemed around more plus Eifert, based on overall game plus Eifert but be argued a a draw.

Therefore award goes to Eifert... Don't know why this is ask issue since no one is taking anything away from Ertz. Im biased and have seen way more ND games but Eifert just seemed to dominate at every second of the game

 

[irishpat183]

Now this I completely agree with and/or it was more of a career achievement award.

That's what I mentioned earlier...This seems more like a farewell/Lifetime achievment award....

Which is fine. But I will say that Ertz had the better season.

 

[irishpat183]

And for all those mentioning "blocking"..yes it's understood that Tyler has been very good this year.


As has Ertz, who may be even MORE dominant as a blocker.


I think that ND's title run and Eifert becoming the all time ND TE has a lot to do with it.

 

[PANDFAN]

is anyone else thinking to yourself.....how someone from Alabama won the academic heisman???? i mean someone from stanford? duke? ND? etc...and Matt Barkley was also up for the award and he was only taking like 2 courses or something unreal i remember reading...it was seriously was like a basket weaving class


From the LA Times

"Barkley graduated last spring, so he can adopt a schedule this fall "almost like an NFL quarterback," he says. Barkley's only class — tech-based "Macintosh, OSX, and iOS Forensics"

 

[zbikowski88]

Matt Fortuna @ESPNNotreDameFB 1s
Brian Kelly named Maxwell COY finalist es.pn/SQqBeM

 

[irishpat183]

is anyone else thinking to yourself.....how someone from Alabama won the academic heisman???? i mean someone from stanford? duke? ND? etc...and Matt Barkley was also up for the award and he was only taking like 2 courses or something unreal i remember reading...it was seriously was like a basket weaving class

I believe that award should be reserved for Undergrad seniors (no 5th year) and it should go back and account all 4 years.

 

[RallySonsOfND]

I like our page on ESPN where under awards they are ALL from 2012.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

Tend to agree -- based on this year and last, Eifert wins the Eyeball Test Mackey Award. Ertz wins the Stats Mackey Award.

 

[Irish8248]

I believe that award should be reserved for Undergrad seniors (no 5th year) and it should go back and account all 4 years.

he graduated in 3 years with a 4.0 in accounting. Hes graduating Grad school in December i believe. Thats a crazy class load whether its ND Alabama or some school where kids can barely spell their name. Good for him, Myron Rolle was able to do it as well. Education is what you make of it. He couldve easily taken the SEC approach and hardly show up to class.

 

[IrishLax]

What awards are being presented on TV tonight?