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Looking at the political threads; my life experience; what I learned from those that traveled before me all leads me to one conclusion. What you believe is less important than who you choose to be; and how you react; and how you accept responsibility.

I am not a conspiricist, but I do think there are those with money, power, and influence, that promote an agenda that many of us buy into. One that isn't necessarily in our best interests. Here is an eye popping article that really gives one pause to think:


Suicide Rates Rise Sharply in U.S.

By TARA PARKER-POPE

Published: May 2, 2013

Suicide rates among middle-aged Americans have risen sharply in the past decade, prompting concern that a generation of baby boomers who have faced years of economic worry and easy access to prescription painkillers may be particularly vulnerable to self-inflicted harm.

More people now die of suicide than in car accidents, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which published the findings in Friday’s issue of its Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report. In 2010 there were 33,687 deaths from motor vehicle crashes and 38,364 suicides.

Suicide has typically been viewed as a problem of teenagers and the elderly, and the surge in suicide rates among middle-aged Americans is surprising.

From 1999 to 2010, the suicide rate among Americans ages 35 to 64 rose by nearly 30 percent, to 17.6 deaths per 100,000 people, up from 13.7. Although suicide rates are growing among both middle-aged men and women, far more men take their own lives. The suicide rate for middle-aged men was 27.3 deaths per 100,000, while for women it was 8.1 deaths per 100,000.

The most pronounced increases were seen among men in their 50s, a group in which suicide rates jumped by nearly 50 percent, to about 30 per 100,000. For women, the largest increase was seen in those ages 60 to 64, among whom rates increased by nearly 60 percent, to 7.0 per 100,000.

Suicide rates can be difficult to interpret because of variations in the way local officials report causes of death. But C.D.C. and academic researchers said they were confident that the data documented an actual increase in deaths by suicide and not a statistical anomaly. While reporting of suicides is not always consistent around the country, the current numbers are, if anything, too low.

“It’s vastly underreported,” said Julie Phillips, an associate professor of sociology at Rutgers University who has published research on rising suicide rates. “We know we’re not counting all suicides.”

The reasons for suicide are often complex, and officials and researchers acknowledge that no one can explain with certainty what is behind the rise. But C.D.C. officials cited a number of possible explanations, including that as adolescents people in this generation also posted higher rates of suicide compared with other cohorts.

“It is the baby boomer group where we see the highest rates of suicide,” said the C.D.C.’s deputy director, Ileana Arias. “There may be something about that group, and how they think about life issues and their life choices that may make a difference.”

The rise in suicides may also stem from the economic downturn over the past decade. Historically, suicide rates rise during times of financial stress and economic setbacks. “The increase does coincide with a decrease in financial standing for a lot of families over the same time period,” Dr. Arias said.

Another factor may be the widespread availability of opioid drugs like OxyContin and oxycodone, which can be particularly deadly in large doses.

Although most suicides are still committed using firearms, officials said there was a marked increase in poisoning deaths, which include intentional overdoses of prescription drugs, and hangings. Poisoning deaths were up 24 percent over all during the 10-year period and hangings were up 81 percent.

Dr. Arias noted that the higher suicide rates might be due to a series of life and financial circumstances that are unique to the baby boomer generation. Men and women in that age group are often coping with the stress of caring for aging parents while still providing financial and emotional support to adult children.

“Their lives are configured a little differently than it has been in the past for that age group,” Dr. Arias said. “It may not be that they are more sensitive or that they have a predisposition to suicide, but that they may be dealing with more.”

Preliminary research at Rutgers suggests that the risk for suicide is unlikely to abate for future generations. Changes in marriage, social isolation and family roles mean many of the pressures faced by baby boomers will continue in the next generation, Dr. Phillips said.

“The boomers had great expectations for what their life might look like, but I think perhaps it hasn’t panned out that way,” she said. “All these conditions the boomers are facing, future cohorts are going to be facing many of these conditions as well.”

Nancy Berliner, a Boston historian, lost her 58-year-old husband to suicide nearly two years ago. She said that while the reasons for his suicide were complex, she would like to see more attention paid to prevention and support for family members who lose someone to suicide.

“One suicide can inspire other people, unfortunately, to view suicide as an option,” Ms. Berliner said. “It’s important that society becomes more comfortable with discussing it. Then the people left behind will not have this stigma.”

A version of this article appeared in print on May 3, 2013, on page A1 of the New York edition with the headline: Suicide Rates In Middle Age Soared in U.S..
 

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Looking at the political threads; my life experience; what I learned from those that traveled before me all leads me to one conclusion. What you believe is less important than who you choose to be; and how you react; and how you accept responsibility.

I am not a conspiricist, but I do think there are those with money, power, and influence, that promote an agenda that many of us buy into. One that isn't necessarily in our best interests. Here is an eye popping article that really gives one pause to think:

So what do a rise in suicides have to do with someones hidden agenda? Who would benefit from that?

On a crazy kinda of deja-vu note, When I clicked on this article I was listening to a Smashing Pumpkins song about suicide, coincidence?............... Yes.
 

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On a crazy kinda of deja-vu note, When I clicked on this article I was listening to a Smashing Pumpkins song about suicide, coincidence?............... Yes.

I chuckled a little!
 

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I'd chalk it up to the decline of community. Humans are social creatures; much of what makes us genuinely happy is relational.

Over the last several decades, community has been rapidly declining for a whole host of modern reasons: global capitalism, urban sprawl, technological advancement, etc. (To answer your question, phillyirish, the 1% has made trillions of dollars off those trends, which I assume is what Bogs was referring to.)

It's ironic that now, in this age of social networking, large swathes of our global population are more profoundly alone than has ever occurred before.

In my opinion, that's the real policy challenge moving forward: figuring out how to save ourselves from the spiritual/ psychological death that the above factors are causing.
 
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I'd chalk it up to the decline of community. Humans are social creatures; much of what makes us genuinely happy is relational.

Over the last several decades, community has been rapidly declining for a whole host of modern reasons: global capitalism, urban sprawl, technological advancement, etc. (To answer your question, phillyirish, the 1% has made trillions of dollars off those trends, which I assume is what Bogs was referring to.)

It's ironic that now, in this age of social networking, large swathes of our global population are more profoundly alone than has ever occurred before.

In my opinion, that's the real policy challenge moving forward: figuring out how to save ourselves from the spiritual/ psychological death that the above factors are causing.

So was Theo K. right?
 

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I'd chalk it up to the decline of community. Humans are social creatures; much of what makes us genuinely happy is relational.

Over the last several decades, community has been rapidly declining for a whole host of modern reasons: global capitalism, urban sprawl, technological advancement, etc. (To answer your question, phillyirish, the 1% has made trillions of dollars off those trends, which I assume is what Bogs was referring to.)

It's ironic that now, in this age of social networking, large swathes of our global population are more profoundly alone than has ever occurred before.

In my opinion, that's the real policy challenge moving forward: figuring out how to save ourselves from the spiritual/ psychological death that the above factors are causing.

Well put post Whiskey
 

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Bogs and Whiskey I totally agree. Flying Alamo, obviously I wouldn't have known that, I'm sorry you have gone through that in your life, but how you have responded to it is nothing short of heroic. Reminds me that there is greatness in all of us, keep fighting the good fight.
 

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Bogs and Whiskey I totally agree. Flying Alamo, obviously I wouldn't have known that, I'm sorry you have gone through that in your life, but how you have responded to it is nothing short of heroic. Reminds me that there is greatness in all of us, keep fighting the good fight.

Thanks brother...you gotta stand for something!
 
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Thanks brother...you gotta stand for something!

I am with you, too. I am so sorry for your losses.


A pretty good example is all around me every day, here in the rust belt. Thirty years ago there were manufacturng jobs galore. After the recessions of the 70's things took off, and there weren't going to be enough workers to fill the jobs. Then the real union busting started. First in the '80's. There was an attack on wages; sure there was some excess, but no one has ever proven that wages ever made us less competitive in any industry, ever!

In the late 80's and '90's I worked in the IT field, more and more for auto related companies, and more and more for General Motors. At one point I ran the President's Circle networks, so I talked to the 50 senior guys at the company, at least weekly. There was one guy who started in the 60's and was instrumental in the defense of GM in the Justice Dept anti-trust case.

After years on litigation, he thought that the right verdict came about, that the market would adjust itself. He saw GM's decline as a continued refusal on the part of his company to build the best automotive product that it could. He thought with decent corporate focuse that GM could blow the "world" away. Instead of developing the best, the worker was atacked, even though the US worker productivity continues to lead the world, and has continued to increase. The workers wages have dropped significantly. Benefits have been decimated.

Pensions negotiated in good faith have been raided, sacked, stolen, and then what is left has been reduced by the crash of '08. I have a neighbor, who worked hard all his life, and is okay, but has little to show for it, having lost six figures in benefits and savings. My son's father-in-law, union but not auto, building trades, is the same way. It is ironic, but my neighbor who is doing the best? The guy who invented the machine that makes the vortex neck for beer bottles! His fortune is growing every day!

So what do you tell these people? How do you make them feel secure, when they have seen all that they know manipulated and so much taken from them?
 

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I'd chalk it up to the decline of community. Humans are social creatures; much of what makes us genuinely happy is relational.

Over the last several decades, community has been rapidly declining for a whole host of modern reasons: global capitalism, urban sprawl, technological advancement, etc. (To answer your question, phillyirish, the 1% has made trillions of dollars off those trends, which I assume is what Bogs was referring to.)

It's ironic that now, in this age of social networking, large swathes of our global population are more profoundly alone than has ever occurred before.

In my opinion, that's the real policy challenge moving forward: figuring out how to save ourselves from the spiritual/ psychological death that the above factors are causing.


Great post.


But the bolded part, IMO, is the biggest one. Social/communication skills are on the decline. This PC "everyone gets a trophy" attitude has weakened the youth. Their skin is too thin. Parents protecting them from every little thing, including loss, has taken away their ability to deal with anything negative, such as bullies. Exposing things on social media for the world to see....


In addition to what you said....Kids are just weak these days.They have no self-esteem or courage. Because they haven't had too.
 

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Great post.


But the bolded part, IMO, is the biggest one. Social/communication skills are on the decline. This PC "everyone gets a trophy" attitude has weakened the youth. Their skin is too thin. Parents protecting them from every little thing, including loss, has taken away their ability to deal with anything negative, such as bullies. Exposing things on social media for the world to see....


In addition to what you said....Kids are just weak these days.They have no self-esteem or courage. Because they haven't had too.

Social media has contributed to this because it permits a myriad of influences into a child's life. Forces that kids were immune to 10-15 years ago are suddenly confronting our youth. Couple that with the decline of strong families and strong communities and it's a recipe for disaster.

The decline of the nuclear family is resulting in so many kids growing up without strong father or mother figure; sometimes both. Nothing has or will ever change about how impressionable kids are. Nothing will ever change about how susceptible they are to bad influences. That's the inherent nature of a child. They need multiple role models in their families now more than ever to combat negative societal influences.
 

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In addition to what you said....Kids are just weak these days.They have no self-esteem or courage. Because they haven't had too.

So many lack the healthy coping skills to deal with the ups and downs that go along with life...so many turn to numbing themselves with whatever they can. At least in my experience.



My younger brother, when he couldn't get pills or cocaine, turned to huffing anything he could...spray paint, gasoline, spray deodorant, air freshener...literally ANYTHING...He refused to be helped by anyone...he refused to talk to anyone...he'd hang out with me and do casual things, but no matter how hard any of us tried, he refused it. Then he lost his job due to the substance abuse...built up some debt...His long time girlfriend tried and tried, and when she saw she couldn't do anything without him wanting help, she had to leave.

Then he cleaned up for a bit...She was the last person to see him alive...she left his place and he was threatening to hurt himself...so she called my parents immediately and told them what he said....so they called 911.

My best friend since grade school, whom I really should call, was the first one in the door...I have a hard time seeing him. He was like an older brother to my bro...

I'm getting a little emotional in real life at the moment. LOL
haha this is like a therapy group.
 

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I don't think we can blame anything one any one factor. There are so many things working together here causing the explosion in the suicide rate.
 

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EDIT: I was typing as you posted

Are you referring to his writings? I have heard a little about them, but haven't really ever looked into them much.

Share with us brother!


I would be interested in reading it.
 
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Are you referring to his writings? I have heard a little about them, but haven't really ever looked into them much.

Share with us brother!

I honestly don't know a lot about him. I was about to get a book on Amazon about a coming time when computers/robots surpass humans and in the recommended section was a book on him. I just read over the excerpt and some comments but I'll look for it right now...

EDIT:

Technological Slavery: The Collected Writings of Theodore Kaczyinski by David Skrbina

and the original book I was looking at

The Age of Spiritual Machines:When Computers Exceed Human Intelligence by Ray Kurzweil
 
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Social media has contributed to this because it permits a myriad of influences into a child's life. Forces that kids were immune to 10-15 years ago are suddenly confronting our youth. Couple that with the decline of strong families and strong communities and it's a recipe for disaster.

The decline of the nuclear family is resulting in so many kids growing up without strong father or mother figure; sometimes both. Nothing has or will ever change about how impressionable kids are. Nothing will ever change about how susceptible they are to bad influences. That's the inherent nature of a child. They need multiple role models in their families now more than ever to combat negative societal influences.

I would not like to be a young person today. I think most kids have much thicker skin than we did. The stimulation from all sorts of outside sources is incredible.

The thing I really don't like is the pressure put on kids to perform. From boys that mature late, to 10 year old girls clothes. What the ef do we all want for our children. We set up all of these obstacles to keep them from being happy in their own skin, and then we are disappointed when they don't do what we see as best.

Clothing. Girls clothing. I have an almost eleven and just nine year old. Did you ever see the shiit that is out their. I would call it a whore's dream, but try as I might, I don't have anything against whores!

And the same is true of boys. I love our Irish, but that every boy has to be like them? Especially those that don't have the physical skills? And this has a darker side. I have seen this personally, where young men are sent mixed signals that they (and maybe a group of their friends) can prove their manhood at the expense of some poor young lady.

Bullying. I remember this kid that used to love to kick the shiit out of me, just before I got the post puberty growth spurt, (four inches and sixty pounds, and that was just my dick). I rode home with as student teacher in his bug everyday thereafter. Turns out he had quite a powerful crush on the neighbor girl across the street, and the first ride he gave me, damned if she wasn't out sunning herself!

Ran into the bully a few years later. He didn't want any. Ran into him twenty years later, he was still an idiot, but he had a family, and looked like anyone else. Had a kid that got bullied, (I knew his sister from work), go figure.

Then you got people who say money is the most important thing. (More than God in some instances.) More important than people. That we need to let markets sort themselves out, and that it will eventually work itself out. Even if it does cause a few hardships.

Yep. I think kids are pretty damn impressive these days. They take a screwing up by many adults, and a hypocrisy is social mores, all in strides. (Don't do as I do, do as I say), and then they go out in the world and find they are nothing more than a statistic. I got no problems with most kids and I certainly don't turn todays social media on them as their fault, in fact it is just another reason why I say they have pressure stacked on them 24 hours a day.
 

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I don't really think its a hidden agenda as much as it is the complete negativity in the news and constant fear mongering.
I mean you look at any news site and its death this, flu that, terrorism this, ALERT LEVEL ORANGE, Russians, Chinese, N. Vietnamese.

It never ends, and people just can't dig out of the rut. With 24hr news cycles and instant news via the Twitterz and other sources its a constant barrage of crap. I just think people can't cope with it.
 

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I don't really think its a hidden agenda as much as it is the complete negativity in the news and constant fear mongering.
I mean you look at any news site and its death this, flu that, terrorism this, ALERT LEVEL ORANGE, Russians, Chinese, N. Vietnamese.

It never ends, and people just can't dig out of the rut. With 24hr news cycles and instant news via the Twitterz and other sources its a constant barrage of crap. I just think people can't cope with it.

It's like we've progressed to a state in which society is uncomfortable. And we constantly have to justify to ourselves that we really like it this way.
 

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I'd chalk it up to the decline of community. Humans are social creatures; much of what makes us genuinely happy is relational.

Over the last several decades, community has been rapidly declining for a whole host of modern reasons: global capitalism, urban sprawl, technological advancement, etc. (To answer your question, phillyirish, the 1% has made trillions of dollars off those trends, which I assume is what Bogs was referring to.)

It's ironic that now, in this age of social networking, large swathes of our global population are more profoundly alone than has ever occurred before.

In my opinion, that's the real policy challenge moving forward: figuring out how to save ourselves from the spiritual/ psychological death that the above factors are causing.

Great points Whiskey. IMO, you hit on several major issues. I've always thought the decline of society in general (which in turns leads to..) is primarily due to loss of community. I've posted in one of the political links that I grew up in a poor inner city Italian/Irish/Catholic neighborhood. Everyone new each other, look out for one another.... even if they did not particularly like you, they still had your back. There was a sense of togetherness, a pride in the neighborhood, pride in the self, pride in the nation, pride in religion, etc. IMO, almost all gone now.

I've lived in a neigborhood now for 10 years. I know more people than most people who have lived here longer. Most folks don't know anyone farther than two doors down, or across the street if even that. Lack of community pride and interaction IMO directly translates into the same on a larger level. The same thing at the family level, national level, etc have occured.


I am with you, too. I am so sorry for your losses.


A pretty good example is all around me every day, here in the rust belt. Thirty years ago there were manufacturng jobs galore. After the recessions of the 70's things took off, and there weren't going to be enough workers to fill the jobs. Then the real union busting started. First in the '80's. There was an attack on wages; sure there was some excess, but no one has ever proven that wages ever made us less competitive in any industry, ever!

In the late 80's and '90's I worked in the IT field, more and more for auto related companies, and more and more for General Motors. At one point I ran the President's Circle networks, so I talked to the 50 senior guys at the company, at least weekly. There was one guy who started in the 60's and was instrumental in the defense of GM in the Justice Dept anti-trust case.

After years on litigation, he thought that the right verdict came about, that the market would adjust itself. He saw GM's decline as a continued refusal on the part of his company to build the best automotive product that it could. He thought with decent corporate focuse that GM could blow the "world" away. Instead of developing the best, the worker was atacked, even though the US worker productivity continues to lead the world, and has continued to increase. The workers wages have dropped significantly. Benefits have been decimated.

Pensions negotiated in good faith have been raided, sacked, stolen, and then what is left has been reduced by the crash of '08. I have a neighbor, who worked hard all his life, and is okay, but has little to show for it, having lost six figures in benefits and savings. My son's father-in-law, union but not auto, building trades, is the same way. It is ironic, but my neighbor who is doing the best? The guy who invented the machine that makes the vortex neck for beer bottles! His fortune is growing every day!

So what do you tell these people? How do you make them feel secure, when they have seen all that they know manipulated and so much taken from them?

Bogs, I'm not a lover of unions as I've seen the ugly side. It is obvious however that the loss of workers rights/pay/etc. have impacted people in general, their sense of self worth, the amount of time they can spend with their families, the way they approach careers, the pride they take in the job they do, etc..

We used to think we'd grow up, get a job, work hard, move up in that company, enjoy a family, and retire with great benefits. All assuming you were willing to work hard and be loyal. Hard work now does not necessarily translate. Company loyalty is a thing of the past. While I agree with the concepts of capitalism, demand, etc., anything allowed to grow without the proper nurturing can quickly grow out of control.

Growing up poor, I've been very fortunate and have prospered more than I thought possible. I know it's mostly because of hard work, the way I was raised,,,,but I also know I've had some good luck as well. Now kids are not raised the same for several reasons. Computer games have replaced playing outside, time outs have replaced natural discipline, entitlement has replaced hard work, questioning has replaced respect. Why, decline of community and family, so the question is... if the older generation is bettered equiped to work hard, what's the younger generation going to do. I think we're seeing our first glimpses now.

I don't think we can blame anything one any one factor. There are so many things working together here causing the explosion in the suicide rate.

I'm sure there are 100 reasons. But I also think there are some very basic things going on that account for a decent majority.
 

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I'm sure there are 100 reasons. But I also think there are some very basic things going on that account for a decent majority.

Absolutely man. We've touched on some major points thus far.

Only when we have identified the major causes can anything be done about it...
The terrifying thing to me is...this isn't something that you can just stop or fix.

The best I can do is assist people that have identified suicidal ideation, or that have had past attempts, and help them cope. This is a reactive effort...

This problem, well...myriad of problems...really requires a proactive approach.

In it's current state, our culture doesn't really allow for a proactive approach.



In general, I work with children and adolescents. It feels like we've been fighting a losing fight.

p.s. I still smile everytime I see that sweet avatar YJ!
 
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Absolutely man. We've touched on some major points thus far.

Only when we have identified the major causes can anything be done about it...
The terrifying thing to me is...this isn't something that you can just stop or fix.

The best I can do is assist people that have identified suicidal ideation, or that have had past attempts, and help them cope. This is a reactive effort...

This problem, well...myriad of problems...really requires a proactive approach.

In it's current state, our culture doesn't really allow for a proactive approach.



In general, I work with children and adolescents. It feels like we've been fighting a losing fight.

p.s. I still smile everytime I see that sweet avatar YJ!

Keep up the good fight my friend. I've lost several family members and friends over the years. Tragic when hope ceases, but it does happen. I think inspiring hope is tougher these days than it ever has been. I don't envy your job one bit, but I do admire it in a big, big, way.
 
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Great points Whiskey. IMO, you hit on several major issues. I've always thought the decline of society in general (which in turns leads to..) is primarily due to loss of community. I've posted in one of the political links that I grew up in a poor inner city Italian/Irish/Catholic neighborhood. Everyone new each other, look out for one another.... even if they did not particularly like you, they still had your back. There was a sense of togetherness, a pride in the neighborhood, pride in the self, pride in the nation, pride in religion, etc. IMO, almost all gone now.

I've lived in a neigborhood now for 10 years. I know more people than most people who have lived here longer. Most folks don't know anyone farther than two doors down, or across the street if even that. Lack of community pride and interaction IMO directly translates into the same on a larger level. The same thing at the family level, national level, etc have occured.

Bogs, I'm not a lover of unions as I've seen the ugly side. It is obvious however that the loss of workers rights/pay/etc. have impacted people in general, their sense of self worth, the amount of time they can spend with their families, the way they approach careers, the pride they take in the job they do, etc..

We used to think we'd grow up, get a job, work hard, move up in that company, enjoy a family, and retire with great benefits. All assuming you were willing to work hard and be loyal. Hard work now does not necessarily translate. Company loyalty is a thing of the past. While I agree with the concepts of capitalism, demand, etc., anything allowed to grow without the proper nurturing can quickly grow out of control.

Growing up poor, I've been very fortunate and have prospered more than I thought possible. I know it's mostly because of hard work, the way I was raised,,,,but I also know I've had some good luck as well. Now kids are not raised the same for several reasons. Computer games have replaced playing outside, time outs have replaced natural discipline, entitlement has replaced hard work, questioning has replaced respect. Why, decline of community and family, so the question is... if the older generation is bettered equiped to work hard, what's the younger generation going to do. I think we're seeing our first glimpses now.

I'm sure there are 100 reasons. But I also think there are some very basic things going on that account for a decent majority.

Great post Jeepster!

My first neighborhood was about two miles from the first Willys-Overland Stack, which still stands. My grandpa's factory was across the highway from that location. My first neighborhood had bank VP's and auto mechanics living there. We used to do chores for old Mr. Young who was the city Law Director, (City DA). Ara Parseghian's sister lived a block over, that is how I met him. There were all kinds of people, from all kinds of backgrounds. It wasn't ideal; I am sure some people didn't like each other; but as you say, people had each others back. I remember the day Mr. Sellegman backed his car into the street because the hotrodders were tearing around the neighborhood while us kids were out playing.

I grew up in the town that had a mayor about 50 years before I was born named Samuel Jones; he was called "Golden Rule." Read about him. He was an amazing man. About the only thing you won't find listed is that my great-grandfather lost a mayoral election to him. Toledo had that spirit after the original industrialist built it. It was a Catholic immigrant town. Neighborhoods and schools meant everything. Once the industrial turmoil of the 30's were settled, Toledo was a living growing prosperous town. Now it is a hulk. A big part is that neighborly attitude. That was a big part of the growth, and that is a big part of what is missing in its decline.
 

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Keep up the good fight my friend. I've lost several family members and friends over the years. Tragic when hope ceases, but it does happen. I think inspiring hope is tougher these days than it ever has been. I don't envy your job one bit, but I do admire it in a big, big, way.

This profession is definitely for those who care! You don't last long if you do!

Yeah...hope...I wish I could hand it out to everyone like a ticket or something.
 

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I've lost my mother, older brother, and one of my younger brothers to their own hands.

I'm at war with suicide. I work in the mental health field...doing my part!

I'm very sorry about your losses Alamo and thank you for helping others. That's got to be one of the toughest jobs there is.

Since you work in the field, may I ask, is suicide or suicidal tendencies always caused by mental illness? I've known a few folks over the years with different mental illnesses and have always thought, that has to be the scariest thing in the world. I'd rather lose my sight than lose my mind.
 

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I'm very sorry about your losses Alamo and thank you for helping others. That's got to be one of the toughest jobs there is.

Since you work in the field, may I ask, is suicide or suicidal tendencies always caused by mental illness? I've known a few folks over the years with different mental illnesses and have always thought, that has to be the scariest thing in the world. I'd rather lose my sight than lose my mind.

Thanks bro...


If you consider depression to be a mental illness, then yes. Clinical depression I would certainly call a mental illness.

Metal illnesses are a major risk factor for suicides. But I would not say that every person who takes their own life is "mentally ill".
 
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