Answer me this!!!

[NDOM]

Okay Okay. I'm not officially on the "Fire Weis" bandwagon yet but I'm not sold on Latina folks. I'm not gonna rant and rave but I'm just going to ask a very simple question and I think alot of you are gonna scratch your heads and say "Damn, the dude has a point". And some of you will even say "Well NDOM, You're a dumbass and you suck". I'm down with that I guess but It's a legit question.

Why is it that the Navy's and Air Force's of the college football world never have a problem running the ball? Why? How can they run the ball so well when most of their lineman average ohhhhhhh maybe 265-280? Maybe a 290 mixed in every so often? How is that possible while we average 6'5" 315lbs and cant hardly break the 100 yard mark (Or 20 yard mark against Michigan State?) Someone please explain because all of you Latina jock strap riders cant honestly think that the offensive line coach for Navy and Air Force are better than him. Or are they?

FIRE AWAY!

 

[Folsteam_Ahead]

keep in mind that running is all they do (at least navy). their success revolves around a "gimmick" offense and the fact that a specific blocking technique can be used to cut down d-lineman. the blocking scheme has everything to do with the style of the offense. watch tape on how the lineman in johnson's triple flex optiontipitous whatever block...YouTube - Triple Option 2006

we dont run those formations so the blocking scheme and technique wouldn't work. plus the size of the lineman allow them to move upfield when needed since they're more mobile. if we tried that style of blocking which is crucial to the success of their running game, it would be a disaster. we'd have to impliment a wishbone offense to pull it off.

i dont know much about air force but i feel as though they can take advantage of stacking the line as well.

 

[Bubba]

First, I'm not on the "keep Latina" team either. But the continuous threads about how our coaching sucks grows old. At least this one has a point.... So, NDOM, you don't suck just yet.

Okay, my un-educated opinion about it is this. They have to learn how to run block. That's it. They do it over and over and over. Then they line up and do it again. They are taught a scheme and they run it precisely. The QB is also a running threat which keeps the defense guessing. They have more than one RB in the backfield which keeps the defense guessing. They throw a pass in every 15 or 20 plays to make the defense think it's a possibility.

We don't have this. Our QB is not a running threat and our style of offense makes it necessary to practice pass blocking and run blocking. I'm not sure how to fix it. I'm not a coach and I haven't played college ball. But, I think we need to go back to the pass first mentality to open up some running room for our backs. And, we need to let somebody break one outside for a change. The middle is not open.

I would like to see a little bit of that "Wildcat" formation that the Dolphins used to spank the Pats last weekend. Maybe a direct snap to Allen with Tate coming around as the reverse option? Maybe some trickery could help us.

 

[NDOM]

the blocking scheme has everything to do with the style of the offense. watch tape on how the lineman in johnson's triple flex optiontipitous whatever block...YouTube - Triple Option 2006

the blocking scheme fits the overall offensive scheme. we dont run those formations so the blocking scheme and technique wouldn't work. plus the size of the lineman allow them to move upfield when needed since they're more mobile.

i dont know much about air force but i feel as though they can take advantage of stacking the line as well.

Ummm. Okay I guess. Lou Holtz ran the option when he was at Notre Dame. I know I know, we dont have Lou Holtz anymore but Notre Dame has ALWAYS been for the most part an option team. And to me the option ran correctly is the most unstopable offense in football PERIOD! I would personally like to see the option back in South Bend.

 

[Bubba]

keep in mind that running is all they do (at least navy). their success revolves around a "gimmick" offense and the fact that a specific blocking technique can be used to cut down d-lineman. the blocking scheme has everything to do with the style of the offense. watch tape on how the lineman in johnson's triple flex optiontipitous whatever block...YouTube - Triple Option 2006

we dont run those formations so the blocking scheme and technique wouldn't work. plus the size of the lineman allow them to move upfield when needed since they're more mobile. if we tried that style of blocking which is crucial to the success of their running game, it would be a disaster. we'd have to impliment a wishbone offense to pull it off.

i dont know much about air force but i feel as though they can take advantage of stacking the line as well.

Dangit you beat me to it. This is quite similar to my point in post 3. Man I gotta learn how to type faster!!!

 

[tko]

First, I'm not on the "keep Latina" team either. But the continuous threads about how our coaching sucks grows old. At least this one has a point.... So, NDOM, you don't suck just yet.

Okay, my un-educated opinion about it is this. They have to learn how to run block. That's it. They do it over and over and over. Then they line up and do it again. They are taught a scheme and they run it precisely. The QB is also a running threat which keeps the defense guessing. They have more than one RB in the backfield which keeps the defense guessing. They throw a pass in every 15 or 20 plays to make the defense think it's a possibility.

We don't have this. Our QB is not a running threat and our style of offense makes it necessary to practice pass blocking and run blocking. I'm not sure how to fix it. I'm not a coach and I haven't played college ball. But, I think we need to go back to the pass first mentality to open up some running room for our backs. And, we need to let somebody break one outside for a change. The middle is not open.

I would like to see a little bit of that "Wildcat" formation that the Dolphins used to spank the Pats last weekend. Maybe a direct snap to Allen with Tate coming around as the reverse option? Maybe some trickery could help us.

i haven't seen a successful trickeration play since we scored on a reverse against Florida State in 1993.

 

[NDOM]

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

Ummm. Okay I guess. Lou Holtz ran the option when he was at Notre Dame. I know I know, we dont have Lou Holtz anymore but Notre Dame has ALWAYS been for the most part an option team. And to me the option ran correctly is the most unstopable offense in football PERIOD! I would personally like to see the option back in South Bend.

The option is a gimmick. Any team that plays man-for-man D will crush the option.

Don't believe me? Go watch Nebraska vs Miami as they played for the National Title.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Ummm. Okay I guess. Lou Holtz ran the option when he was at Notre Dame. I know I know, we dont have Lou Holtz anymore but Notre Dame has ALWAYS been for the most part an option team. And to me the option ran correctly is the most unstopable offense in football PERIOD! I would personally like to see the option back in South Bend.

Name a successful team that runs the option today. You can't. If people could run it perfectly and it was so unstoppable, don't you think people would start running it again? Today's defenses are too big, too strong,and too damn fast to be beaten by a straight option attack. You have to be able to pass, or at least have the threat of a pass.

The spread offense has many option-like qualities, but those teams still throw the ball. Pat White gets yards in the air, despite not being a great passer. You've been calling people idiots if they don't agree with you; I hope I don't get the same treatment ! Because with that last statement about the option, some jerk could say the same thing about you...

 

[NDOM]

Name a successful team that runs the option today. You can't. If people could run it perfectly and it was so unstoppable, don't you think people would start running it again? Today's defenses are too big, too strong,and too damn fast to be beaten by a straight option attack. You have to be able to pass, or at least have the threat of a pass.

The spread offense has many option-like qualities, but those teams still throw the ball. Pat White gets yards in the air, despite not being a great passer. You've been calling people idiots if they don't agree with you; I hope I don't get the same treatment ! Because with that last statement about the option, some jerk could say the same thing about you...

Huh? Anyway, there was a poll recently (I will try to find it) that asked a bunch of college coaches about the best offense and hardest offense to stop if ran to perfection and the overall #1 was the option/option/spread. Lou Holtz ran it with perfection and nobody could stop us pretty much. Just saying that in my personal opinion; the option is the best offense in the country with the right players/personel. The spread is slowly but surely starting to get figured out and by the time it does it's just gonna be to old run and shoot again.

 

[Shamrock44]

Let me just say this. The "fire coach X" posts are getting old and can only hurt us (either current players viewing this or with recruits). The offensive line has been a major problem the past two years and I imagine if no improvement is made over the course of this season, Charlie may make a change. (Like he did with Minter regarding our pass defense) But here is the thing guys, it's Charlie's call. He is a professional coach. While most of us are not, we just post on a message board. That's it.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Huh? Anyway, there was a poll recently (I will try to find it) that asked a bunch of college coaches about the best offense and hardest offense to stop if ran to perfection and the overall #1 was the option/option/spread. Lou Holtz ran it with perfection and nobody could stop us pretty much. Just saying that in my personal opinion; the option is the best offense in the country with the right players/personel. The spread is slowly but surely starting to get figured out and by the time it does it's just gonna be to old run and shoot again.

Too many damn initials in my head. I must have gotten mixed up. My bad. You did call us "BLIND BLIND BLIND and NAIVE" if we backed up Latina, who, I take you can't stand! Can't say he's produced so far, that's for sure.

As for the option, i just really don't think it's a viable offense in today's game. One penalty and you're done. If you fall behind you don't have the option to air it out and get quick offense. Plus the other reasons i stated above. But it sure was fun to watch when Holtz and the other teams like Nebraska ran it right.

As for the spread, you're right, like any other offense, defenses are adjusting. It works well for the college game, but it will never work in the pros. It will continue to last for a while, and then some other offense will come along and do well and everyone will try to copy it. And on the cycle goes...

 

[Folsteam_Ahead]

when pointing out holtz's option attack, it's important to avoid comparing it directly to the success of the navy attack. the styles and type of option attack is very, very different.

 

[NDOM]

Too many damn initials in my head. I must have gotten mixed up. My bad. You did call us "BLIND BLIND BLIND and NAIVE" if we backed up Latina, who, I take you can't stand! Can't say he's produced so far, that's for sure.

As for the option, i just really don't think it's a viable offense in today's game. One penalty and you're done. If you fall behind you don't have the option to air it out and get quick offense. Plus the other reasons i stated above. But it sure was fun to watch when Holtz and the other teams like Nebraska ran it right.

As for the spread, you're right, like any other offense, defenses are adjusting. It works well for the college game, but it will never work in the pros. It will continue to last for a while, and then some other offense will come along and do well and everyone will try to copy it. And on the cycle goes...

Good point.

 

[coachjohnson]

The option is a gimmick. Any team that plays man-for-man D will crush the option.

Don't believe me? Go watch Nebraska vs Miami as they played for the National Title.

Go watch Nebraska vs Florida, when Nebraska had Frasier- two sides to every coin. Teams like Navy and Air Force that run the ball all the time spend little time on passing. Which means that they spend hells of time on running and run blocking. When a team can dedicate so much of their time to one thing they will be successful for the most part. But when they run into a team that can stop what they do well, they are forced into a bad situation they don't excel in. Not taking a shot on the quote, just saying.

 

[dre1919]

John Tenuta should be the full fledged Defensive Coordinator. Corwin Brown should be the Defensive Backs Coach. Charlie Weis should be the Offensive Coordinator. Other than that, we should fire everyone else and hire better people for their positions.

 

[PADOMERNUT]

The game has changed, this isnt 1989 anymore. The option doesnt work in major college football anymore. That is why no major teams run it. Keep in mind the option and the spread are two different offenses.