Andrew Luck

[t3hjc]

I recognized how annoying meowmix was a week or two ago.

 

[NDPhilly]

I'm not sure if this was meant to be funny, but I laughed.

+1 that was bold

 

[IrishinSyria]

Yeah, you, Syria, Kuenja, and a few others would be leading the cheers for Rees, Hendrix, or anybody else to start over him. "He only completes 71% of his passes. etc, etc."

Twenty years ago, Holtz said, "At ND the fans favorite QB is the one not starting."

LOL. Maybe for Crist to play over him, but that's about it.

As for Luck, I've got nothing but respect for him. Tebow was a self-righteous meat head. Luck seems like a genuinely intelligent, humble guy. They both have the virtue of being tremendous competitors and diligent workers.

And, for what its worth, you're misreading my posts if you take them as a dislike of Tommy Rees, just like any ambivalence I might have had about Kelly had little to do with him. Rather both attitudes come from an extreme loyalty, for lack of a better word, to the people who were replaced by Rees and Kelly. I will go to my grave thinking that Charlie Weis was a great football coach who deserves to be remembered as worthy of the legacy he inherited at ND. As for Crist, I think he's an extremely gifted quarterback who is a model of what a Notre Dame man should be. Any confidence issues he may have, and this is where this becomes a matter of pure belief from me, would have been worked out had he been given the opportunity to redeem himself after the first half against USF.

Anyway, Luck is also a great QB and a model student-athlete. The only knock on him, that I can think of, is that he's kind of ugly.


edit: I should read threads before posting on them. Looks like **** really got crazy here.

 

[BGIF]

Why don't you watch some of Luck's games. I think you'll see that the passes he's completing, Rees could never throw. I'm not going to get into this right now. I just wanted to see the feeling on Luck.

I've seen Luck play. There's no doubt Stanford's senior QB is better than ND's sophomore QB. But unlike you I don't hate Luck, Tebow, Rees, or any player.

YOU posted

Originally Posted by meowmix

He's an architecture major. And I don't even want to know how much he'd be hated if he was ND's QB.

I responded to your comment with:

Yeah, you, Syria, Kuenja, and a few others would be leading the cheers for Rees, Hendrix, or anybody else to start over him. "He only completes 71% of his passes. etc, etc."

Twenty years ago, Holtz said, "At ND the fans favorite QB is the one not starting."

As usual you didn't bother to read what was written "Rees, Hendrix, or anybody else to start over him". "Him" being Luck. Your hatred or Rees is so strong you fixated at Rees. You completely missed "Hendrix, OR ANYBODY ELSE ..."

But if Luck was ND's QB, you'd be fixated on him.

Luck was the #4 Pro QB in his class, 4 Stars. He was two slots behind another Senior QB, the #2 ranked Pro QB in that class with 5 Stars, Dayne Crist. Maybe it was the two knee surgeries, maybe it was the two Head Coaches, (hmmm, Luck has two also). I don't know exactly what happened but Crist is fighting with Rees (the "mediocre QB" for the starting job at ND, he should have been fighting with Luck for the best QB in the nation this year.

So much hate.

BTW, when Luck was a sophomore and his team lost 5 games, his QB Eff Rating was 143.47. Rees, a sophomore, whose team has lost 3 games and could lose 2 more, has a QB Eff Rating of 138.21.

Perhaps we need a recap here.

Soph Luck 143.47
Soph Rees 138.21

ERRATA: I made an error in adding the game stats to the NCAA stats. They reverse Completions and Attempts and I didn't so I gave Rees credit for 22 completions on 16 attempts instead of 16 completions on 22 attempts. His Completion % for the year should be 66.1% not the 69.8 I erroneously computed. The 3.8% Completion difference lowers Rees QB Eff Rating from 143.63 to 138. 21. Close but not the push I noted earlier. Rees numbers are in the ball park with Luck's sophomore numbers but he has to raise his completions by that 3.8% or add TD, cut INTs, or add Yds/Attempt to make up the difference. With WF, UMD, BC, and SU left I believe he can do it but he hasn't yet.

Statistically Ree is close but not there yet. Whether Rees will take off next year like Luck did we'll have to wait and see. But right now either the 3 Star kid is playing fairly well or the 5 Star kid was "mediocre".

Considering that Luck lost to Wake Forest as a sophomore, Rees has an opportunity.

In your first post you asked for comments on Luck, in your later post you brought up comments about Luck at ND. I have no doubt you'd be trashing him as you do the current incumbent, regardless of his name. It's your M.O.

So much hate, sad.

Go Irish! Beat the Deacons (whoever the ND QB is!)

 

[IrishinSyria]

BTW, when Luck was a sophomore and his team lost 5 games, his QB Eff Rating was 143.47. Rees, a sophomore, whose team has lost 3 games and could lose 2 more, has a QB Eff Rating of 143.63.

Perhaps we need a recap here.

Soph Luck 143.47
Soph Rees 143.63

Statistically I'd call that a push. Whether Rees will take off next year like Luck did we'll have to wait and see. But right now either the 3 Star kid is playing fairly well or the 5 Star kid was "mediocre".

Considering that Luck lost to Wake Forest as a sophomore, Rees has an opportunity.

Now you see, I totally agree with you that the knee jerk hate is unnecessary. That being said, comparing Rees' statistics to Luck's is absurd: Luck put up those numbers on a Stanford team that generally had less talent (though more discipline) than the teams they played each week, while Rees is putting up his numbers for an ND team that is more talented then every team they've stepped on the field against, with the possible exception of USC.

In other words, they may be at the same point, but one was pulling his team along while the other is being pulled along by his team. Also, spread QBs generally have better passer ratings than pro-style QBs do.

 

[BGIF]

Now you see, I totally agree with you that the knee jerk hate is unnecessary. That being said, comparing Rees' statistics to Luck's is absurd: Luck put up those numbers on a Stanford team that generally had less talent (though more discipline) than the teams they played each week, while Rees is putting up his numbers for an ND team that is more talented then every team they've stepped on the field against, with the possible exception of USC.

In other words, they may be at the same point, but one was pulling his team along while the other is being pulled along by his team. Also, spread QBs generally have better passer ratings than pro-style QBs do.

In '09 ND had the 33rd toughest schedule and SU the 45th per Steele. Preseason '11 Steele had ND's schedule as the 14th toughest. Right now Sagarin has it at #11 with WF, UMD, BC, and SU I expect it to slide probaly into the low 20's. Still tougher than SU had in '09.

In '09, least we forget, Toby Gerhart ran for almost 1900 yds and finished #2 in the Heisman. Luck was pulling SU? Actually they rode on Gerhart's coattails. Meanwhile Clausen played with a foot injury, Allen was out, Rudolph was out, (I can continue with all the talent ND had on paper but not on the field). Then of course we can compare coaching staffs, had Harbaugh and Vic Fangio an 11 year NFL Defensive Coordinator. ND had lame duck Weis and Tenuta (how did that work out again?) As I recall head to head SU beat ND.

Once again I'm not saying the 3 star QB is the equivalent of the 5 Star rather that the underequipped, "mediocre" guy is NOT the Divsion II QB some ND fans keep trying to protray him as.

Regardless if Luck was at ND he'd still be getting chided by posters who want someone else. Holtz noted that 20 years ago. The QB threads on this site prove him right.

 

[BGIF]

LOL. Maybe for Crist to play over him, but that's about it.

As for Luck, I've got nothing but respect for him. Tebow was a self-righteous meat head. Luck seems like a genuinely intelligent, humble guy. They both have the virtue of being tremendous competitors and diligent workers.

And, for what its worth, you're misreading my posts if you take them as a dislike of Tommy Rees, just like any ambivalence I might have had about Kelly had little to do with him. Rather both attitudes come from an extreme loyalty, for lack of a better word, to the people who were replaced by Rees and Kelly. I will go to my grave thinking that Charlie Weis was a great football coach who deserves to be remembered as worthy of the legacy he inherited at ND. As for Crist, I think he's an extremely gifted quarterback who is a model of what a Notre Dame man should be. Any confidence issues he may have, and this is where this becomes a matter of pure belief from me, would have been worked out had he been given the opportunity to redeem himself after the first half against USF.

Anyway, Luck is also a great QB and a model student-athlete. The only knock on him, that I can think of, is that he's kind of ugly.


edit: I should read threads before posting on them. Looks like **** really got crazy here.

I had not seen this post (nor all the asterisked ones beneath it. I agree with your edit comments and Luck ISN'T the handsomest QB (regardless of stars).

 

[BGIF]

IrishinSyria

IrishinSyria

See my Errata in my post below. I erred in adding Attempts and Completions. Rees is in the ball park with Luck's numbers as a Sophomore but they are not the same. Mea culpa.

 

[NDinL.A.]

**** this.

Thank God!!! Thank you for giving me the go ahead to can you, which, as just a normal poster reading your consistent whining, I've been wanting to do for quite a while.

Oh, and when newer posters get treated like crap (which I haven't seen lately at all, and when the mods do see it we respond), then all you have to do is report it, not go all Bobby Knight on us at the very last minute when you're begging to be banned. Or you can man up and say something about it when it happens. EVeryone on here was new at one point, and for the most part were treated fine. The only newbies that are treated poorly are trolls or asshats who are looking for arguments rather than discussions.

And having said that...Tommy Rees is still our QB, this site still rocks, and you're still an a-hole (I can get away with that now that you're banned right? Mods?). Buh-bye...

 

[wakeuptheechoes]

... Hell if he was our QB we would all be slobbering all over him.

With a name like Luck he probably should play for the Irish.

I like the kid as well.

Now addressing the thread, as far as people slobbering all over him. You named Tebow, but forgot Sam Bradford, Matthew Stafford, Cam Newton, Reggie Bush, Vince Young, If i recall these guys were pretty wet with slobber. Typically, every year there is at least one player that gets that type of attention.

 

[Junkhead]

All posts deleted were just to get rid of the quoting of his garbage post. Carry on.

 

[Rudy89]

My only problem with luck is he plays for stanford one of our rivals and he will give us hell when w eplay him other than that Luck is cool in my book.

 

[Jason Pham]

That escalated quickly...

 

[Sherm Sticky]

I think he's an awesome player. I love his fire that he plays with and I feel like he's the next great NFL qb.

That sums up my opinion on Luck also.