All Things Alabama

[Legacy]

Alabama has killed it in recruiting for a decade. But without such a change like replacing Hurts with Tua in the 2017-18 NC against Georgia leading to the game-ending 41 yard TD pass in overtime, Alabama would be now viewed as a bridesmaid, losing the last three title games and whose NC title prior to the 2015 one would have been in 2012. Should Georgia have won, Alabama would have one NC in the past six years to show for all those number 1 recruiting classes.

 

[Irish YJ]

Tosh Lupoi leaving for Browns DL job...


Put me in the column of not understanding why a guy known for recruiting got a job that does not involve recruiting

hasn't Bama been top 5 (like 1 or 2) in D efficiency his entire Bama career.

he's been in CFB coaching for 10 years, and probably always wanted to get to the big leagues. not saying he'll workout, or won't end up back in CFB, but i understand why he'd go, and why others would be interested in him. perhaps the Browns want a player's coach at DL. curious what Acamp thinks.

personally, i don't care why, just glad he and his recruiting prowess are gone from the SEC.

Alabama has killed it in recruiting for a decade. But without such a change like replacing Hurts with Tua in the 2017-18 NC against Georgia leading to the game-ending 41 yard TD pass in overtime, Alabama would be now viewed as a bridesmaid, losing the last three title games and whose NC title prior to the 2015 one would have been in 2012. Should Georgia have won, Alabama would have one NC in the past six years to show for all those number 1 recruiting classes.

ifs and buts

 

[STLDomer]

hasn't Bama been top 5 (like 1 or 2) in D efficiency his entire Bama career.

he's been in CFB coaching for 10 years, and probably always wanted to get to the big leagues. not saying he'll workout, or won't end up back in CFB, but i understand why he'd go, and why others would be interested in him. perhaps the Browns want a player's coach at DL.

This year was his first year as sole DC though and was Bama’s weakest defense in a while. 13th by S&P+. I’ve always just read there are skeptics on his recruiting ability versus coaching ability, that much more of his value is recruiting.

 

[Irish YJ]

This year was his first year as sole DC though and was Bama’s weakest defense in a while. 13th by S&P+. I’ve always just read there are skeptics on his recruiting ability versus coaching ability, that much more of his value is recruiting.

Golding was Co-DC this year. Pruitt was co-DC the year before.

I think he first made his bones as being a DL coach (4yrs at Cal, 2 at WA, he was a DL player as well). I don't doubt Saban brought him in for his recruiting prowess.

 

[Bishop2b5]

This year was his first year as sole DC though and was Bama’s weakest defense in a while. 13th by S&P+. I’ve always just read there are skeptics on his recruiting ability versus coaching ability, that much more of his value is recruiting.

I thought he did OK as DC, but wasn't Smart or Pruitt level at the job. OTOH, he didn't have as much experienced talent to work with. Bama went into this season with none of our top 6 DB's from last year and missing a couple of LB's and DL guys from last year too. Basically had to rebuild about 75% of our D.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Alabama has killed it in recruiting for a decade. But without such a change like replacing Hurts with Tua in the 2017-18 NC against Georgia leading to the game-ending 41 yard TD pass in overtime, Alabama would be now viewed as a bridesmaid, losing the last three title games and whose NC title prior to the 2015 one would have been in 2012. Should Georgia have won, Alabama would have one NC in the past six years to show for all those number 1 recruiting classes.

They would just trail us in natttys 21 to 18 instead if 21-19 if Georgia doesn't choke on Apple sauce.

 

[OhioIrish31]

With Hurts also leaving, if Tua does miss any time at all due to injury...things could get interesting at Bama next year

This will definitely happen...seemed like if Tua even got bumped he was hobbling the rest of the game.

 

[Bishop2b5]

This will definitely happen...seemed like if Tua even got bumped he was hobbling the rest of the game.

Tua strained a knee ligament early in the season and kept playing on it. Almost every game after that, he kept reaggravating the injury with no chance to let it heal.

 

[Irishize]

I thought he did OK as DC, but wasn't Smart or Pruitt level at the job. OTOH, he didn't have as much experienced talent to work with. Bama went into this season with none of our top 6 DB's from last year and missing a couple of LB's and DL guys from last year too. Basically had to rebuild about 75% of our D.

True, but the media was claiming the 2018 Alabama team may be their best EVER. While the SEC is easily the best defensive conference, I think the lack of offense inflated people’s thoughts of Bama’s defense. They didn’t really play a tough offense until the last three games of their season: Georgia, OU & Clemson. Had Bama beat Clemson by the same score that Clemson beat Bama, we’d be hearing that this was the greatest CFB team ever. Clemson dominates the game & nary a word about being the best ever.

https://www.theringer.com/2018/11/6/18068878/2018-alabama-crimson-tide-best-team-ever

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/11/ti...ama-can-become-the-greatest-college-team-ever

http://www.espn.com/college-footbal.../where-does-2018-alabama-team-rank-all-greats

https://247sports.com/Article/Alaba...s-tracking-to-be-the-greatest-ever-124376713/

 

[Sea Turtle]

Tua strained a knee ligament early in the season and kept playing on it. Almost every game after that, he kept reaggravating the injury with no chance to let it heal.

That's good of Saban to be concerned with his health and safety.

 

[Bishop2b5]

That's good of Saban to be concerned with his health and safety.

You'd be hard pressed to find a D1 starter that isn't battling some injury over the course of a season. Most players are dealing with sprained knees & ankles, turf toe, cracked ribs, shoulder injuries, pulled muscles, etc. Playing when dealing with injuries is the rule, not the exception. Tua was cleared to play by medical staff and his injury was considered unlikely to lead to further damage... just painful, and he wanted to play. It's not just Saban. EVERY coach in CFB plays players who are injured and playing through it.

 

[NDShark]

You'd be hard pressed to find a D1 starter that isn't battling some injury over the course of a season. Most players are dealing with sprained knees & ankles, turf toe, cracked ribs, shoulder injuries, pulled muscles, etc. Playing when dealing with injuries is the rule, not the exception. Tua was cleared to play by medical staff and his injury was considered unlikely to lead to further damage... just painful, and he wanted to play. It's not just Saban. EVERY coach in CFB plays players who are injured and playing through it.

Ian Book ring a bell?

 

[Irish#1]

You'd be hard pressed to find a D1 starter that isn't battling some injury over the course of a season. Most players are dealing with sprained knees & ankles, turf toe, cracked ribs, shoulder injuries, pulled muscles, jock itch, etc. Playing when dealing with injuries is the rule, not the exception. Tua was cleared to play by medical staff and his injury was considered unlikely to lead to further damage... just painful, and he wanted to play. It's not just Saban. EVERY coach in CFB plays players who are injured and playing through it.

FIFY

 

[Bishop2b5]

FIFY

LOL!

Jock itch... the worst thing any athlete ever endured. In HS our HC came around once per week with a can of jock itch spray and made everyone lift and show. Any sign of it and you got your junk sprayed. Burned like hell!

 

[dublinirish]

https://247sports.com/college/alaba...-Football-joins-Crimson-Tide-staff-127959817/

 

[Sea Turtle]

You'd be hard pressed to find a D1 starter that isn't battling some injury over the course of a season. Most players are dealing with sprained knees & ankles, turf toe, cracked ribs, shoulder injuries, pulled muscles, etc. Playing when dealing with injuries is the rule, not the exception. Tua was cleared to play by medical staff and his injury was considered unlikely to lead to further damage... just painful, and he wanted to play. It's not just Saban. EVERY coach in CFB plays players who are injured and playing through it.

A strained knee is torn slightly. It needs rest. It needs to heal. You said he kept aggravating it. That's not good. Of course he wanted to play.

Saban also let a defensive lineman play on a torn ACL that needed surgery for an entire season. I forget his name but the colts drafted him.

I'm not calling Saban the devil but his players seem to be pretty disposable to him.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Ian Book ring a bell?

And he missed a game or two. Are you sure they were broken or just bruised?

 

[Irishize]

And he missed a game or two. Are you sure they were broken or just bruised?

IIRC, broken ribs + kidney contusion

 

[Circa]

LOL!

Jock itch... the worst thing any athlete ever endured. In HS our HC came around once per week with a can of jock itch spray and made everyone lift and show. Any sign of it and you got your junk sprayed. Burned like hell!

But didn't itch afterward... I loved the burn...

 

[Bishop2b5]

A strained knee is torn slightly. It needs rest. It needs to heal. You said he kept aggravating it. That's not good. Of course he wanted to play.

Saban also let a defensive lineman play on a torn ACL that needed surgery for an entire season. I forget his name but the colts drafted him.

I'm not calling Saban the devil but his players seem to be pretty disposable to him.

Of course it does. EVERY injury needs rest to heal. If every hurt or injured player took that time off no team would have enough players to field a team by the end of September. Players play with broken fingers, sprained ankles, torn rotator cuffs, tweaked knee ligaments, scuffed up cartilage, and dozens of other such injuries. That's just the nature of the game. EVERY coach, from Saban to Kelly, plays those guys if they're able to go.

 

[snoopdog]

LOL!

Jock itch... the worst thing any athlete ever endured. In HS our HC came around once per week with a can of jock itch spray and made everyone lift and show. Any sign of it and you got your junk sprayed. Burned like hell!

Sandusky was your HS Coach?

 

[Sea Turtle]

Of course it does. EVERY injury needs rest to heal. If every hurt or injured player took that time off no team would have enough players to field a team by the end of September. Players play with broken fingers, sprained ankles, torn rotator cuffs, tweaked knee ligaments, scuffed up cartilage, and dozens of other such injuries. That's just the nature of the game. EVERY coach, from Saban to Kelly, plays those guys if they're able to go.

Show me where Kelly asked a 320 lb defensive lineman to play a season on torn knee ligaments and asked for him to wait until after the season to have the needed surgery so he could win another Natty because he was immovable.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.al.com/articles/7589779/josh_chapman_played_most_of_20.amp

I didn't mean this to turn into an argument. And I'm sorry if I questioned Lord Saban.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Golding was Co-DC this year. Pruitt was co-DC the year before.

I think he first made his bones as being a DL coach (4yrs at Cal, 2 at WA, he was a DL player as well). I don't doubt Saban brought him in for his recruiting prowess.

Further info on Lupoi leaving for Cleveland:

https://www.al.com/alabamafootball/2019/01/why-tosh-lupoi-leaving-alabama-was-long-expected.html

Seems Saban felt forced to promote Lupoi to DC in order to keep him and his recruiting ability, but wasn't pleased with Lupoi's performance, especially in regards to pass defense and situational play calling. The article doesn't explicitly say it, but sure implies that Lupoi wasn't asked back and it had been known for some time that he wouldn't be retained on staff, at least as DC. Lupoi seems like a great position coach and world-class recruiter, but isn't ready for coordinator duties.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Sandusky was your HS Coach?

Stop bro. I don't want to talk about it.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Show me where Kelly asked a 320 lb defensive lineman to play a season on torn knee ligaments and asked for him to wait until after the season to have the needed surgery so he could win another Natty because he was immovable.

I didn't mean this to turn into an argument. And I'm sorry if I questioned Lord Saban.

I'm not interested in an argument, but what you're complaining about is the norm EVERYWHERE, from HS to the NFL. You're singling out one coach for something every coach does. Players play hurt.

 

[Circa]

Of course it does. EVERY injury needs rest to heal. If every hurt or injured player took that time off no team would have enough players to field a team by the end of September. Players play with broken fingers, sprained ankles, torn rotator cuffs, tweaked knee ligaments, scuffed up cartilage, and dozens of other such injuries. That's just the nature of the game. EVERY coach, from Saban to Kelly, plays those guys if they're able to go.

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[Circa]

Tua strained a knee ligament early in the season and kept playing on it. Almost every game after that, he kept reaggravating the injury with no chance to let it heal.

Wasn't It an ankle? Knee was never disclosed, was It?

 

[Bishop2b5]

Wasn't It an ankle? Knee was never disclosed, was It?

He strained a knee ligament early in the season and they talked about it every game. In the SECCG against UGA he twisted an ankle early in the game then got stepped on early in the 4th quarter resulting in a bad sprain of the other ankle.

 

[loomis41973]

Looks like bama is falling apart from within. Grown ass men afraid of Corch Satan???? What kinda shit is that?

I would bet we see neither them nor Clemson in next years CFP.

 

[Irish YJ]

Looks like bama is falling apart from within. Grown ass men afraid of Corch Satan???? What kinda shit is that?

I would bet we see neither them nor Clemson in next years CFP.

IDK about all that lol.

Bama has a pretty easy schedule. @TAMU mid season is their toughest game. They have formal byes before @TAMU and LSU, and an informal bye before @Auburn. TAMU has a tough schedule, so even if they managed to beat Bama, they'd likely be on the outside looking in with a couple losses. Clemson's toughest game is TAMU as well, but they get them at home. After that, it's SC at the end of the season. I don't see them losing either one.

Bama might look weak to start, but they'll come together. Even at one loss they'll get the nod IMO. Clemson has one big game, and would probably get the nod too with one loss.