ACC discussion thread

[MPClinton22]

I'll say it again. Screw the ACC. Let's go back to the Big East and fully independent football. Them openly lobbying against ND, who is a member and partner in football and makes them beaucoup bucks, is so ridiculous.

And Sampson can take his holier than thou nonsense and get lost as well. It's not "just a tweet" you fool. Can't stand his smug face laughing this off in that clip, he's insufferable.

 

[NumbersGuy0520]

ACC is also alienating some of their own members in this… wonder how you feel about this Miami lobbying right now if you’re Georgia Tech, who’s actually leading the conference.

 

[Pete]

I'll say it again. Screw the ACC. Let's go back to the Big East and fully independent football. Them openly lobbying against ND, who is a member and partner in football and makes them beaucoup bucks, is so ridiculous.

And Sampson can take his holier than thou nonsense and get lost as well. It's not "just a tweet" you fool. Can't stand his smug face laughing this off in that clip, he's insufferable.

Can’t go to the Big East, they don’t play football and have no bowl game tie ins. If you do that, then it’s playoff or bust every year for ND football.

 

[thekid33]

The problem with being fully Independent and not having a deal like the current one is how conferences have become mega conferences. If schools are even brave enough to schedule a big out of conference game it has to be early in the season because teams are playing 9-10 conference games instead of 7-8 like back in the day.

So, it would be very difficult to actually get enough quality opponents.

I am all for nuking the ACC deal but if we do that we would need the B1G or SEC to give us a similar deal in order to keep football independent. I think either of them would.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Can’t go to the Big East, they don’t play football and have no bowl game tie ins. If you do that, then it’s playoff or bust every year for ND football.

I was thinking the same thing.

Not really an option.

 

[MPClinton22]

Can’t go to the Big East, they don’t play football and have no bowl game tie ins. If you do that, then it’s playoff or bust every year for ND football.

I know, that's why I said go fully independent in football. Obviously would require some creativity from the AD - but if our current partner is going to try to torpedo our playoff chances, I think it's worth exploring.

And frankly, it already is pretty much playoff or bust - bowl games are just glorified exhibitions. I'm sure we could find some tie-ins as an independent. I mean, UConn is fully independent and they go to bowl games.

 

[stlnd01]

Can’t go to the Big East, they don’t play football and have no bowl game tie ins. If you do that, then it’s playoff or bust every year for ND football.

Is it not now?

Filling out a schedule without the ACC would be tricky, especially in the back half of the season. If we could keep the Clemson deal and secure annual games with BC, Stanford, maybe Pitt (long-term opponents that well pre-date our ACC deal), that would help a lot, though I'd imagine the ACC would put pressure on them to not do that. Michigan and USC deciding to join us in the world of the unfettered would help even more.

 

[stpeteirish]

Sampson has not been out there sticking up for ND very much. Very wishy washy. Sure, it's "just" a tweet, but it feels personal when ND is a full member in many other sports, and a "partner" in football and there are other cases to be made for Miami to be in the playoffs. Why are they not posting graphics comparing Miami to Vanderbilt, Utah, BYU, and Bama? Why specifically ND? Fuck them and fuck Sampson for being soft on this issue.

Obviously its head to head. That's all they got.

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

I am biased because I loathe the ACC and the deal we have with them. But in general this was a stupid thing to do toward a trusted partner. I hope FSU and Clemson blow the ACC up and forces our hand. We can find a good spot and likely much better games.

 

[thekid33]

Alabama
USC
Miami
Oklahoma
Georgia
LSU
Clemson
FSU
Florida
Nebraska
Notre Dame
Ohio St
Penn St
Auburn
Texas
Tenn
Michigan
Washington
Oregon
A&M

20 team association.

You could talk me into another 12 to make it 32, but that's the highest I would go.

You play 9 games against each other each year and 3 games are allowed against top level NCAA FBS teams (current P4 teams that are left out + the Service Academies).

Use an algorithm to determine the top 8 that make a playoff.

All other NCAA sports are unaffected. The current P4 teams that are left out can do whatever the hell they want amongst themselves and the rest of the current FBS for a title. FCS can continue to do their thing.

Hell, maybe we could even get back to regional conferences that make sense for the rest of the sports.

All refs work for the NCAA moving forward.

 

[stlnd01]

Alabama
USC
Miami
Oklahoma
Georgia
LSU
Clemson
FSU
Florida
Nebraska
Notre Dame
Ohio St
Penn St
Auburn
Texas
Tenn
Michigan
Washington
Oregon
A&M

20 team association.

You could talk me into another 12 to make it 32, but that's the highest I would go.

You play 9 games against each other each year and 3 games are allowed against top level NCAA FBS teams (current P4 teams that are left out + the Service Academies).

Use an algorithm to determine the top 8 that make a playoff.

All other NCAA sports are unaffected. The current P4 teams that are left out can do whatever the hell they want amongst themselves and the rest of the current FBS for a title. FCS can continue to do their thing.

Hell, maybe we could even get back to regional conferences that make sense for the rest of the sports.

All refs work for the NCAA moving forward.

Lol there's not a single team from the current Big 12 on that list. And only three from the ACC.
I'd probably add four spots on a relegation basis, just to spice things up a little. And to allow for some historical variations.
There was a time not at all long ago that Wisconsin or Sparty would've belonged there, for instance. Indiana would certainly argue they do now, as would Texas Tech. While Auburn, Nebraska, Florida State are living off past glories.

 

[KPENN]

I love Brice sitting there and holding it in as Sampson goes on lol

 

[NotKoon]

Sampson strikes me as such a pretentious twat. Loves to act like he’s way above the unwashed peasants and their passion about all things ND football. Fully forgetting those people are the only reason he has a job

 

[KPENN]

Sampson strikes me as such a pretentious twat. Loves to act like he’s way above the unwashed peasants and their passion about all things ND football. Fully forgetting those people are the only reason he has a job

He’s such a dumbass here. Does he really think ND isn’t gonna have a problem with the ACC actively campaigning against them? Lol. What a doofus

 

[jprue24]

Sampson has not been out there sticking up for ND very much. Very wishy washy. Sure, it's "just" a tweet, but it feels personal when ND is a full member in many other sports, and a "partner" in football and there are other cases to be made for Miami to be in the playoffs. Why are they not posting graphics comparing Miami to Vanderbilt, Utah, BYU, and Bama? Why specifically ND? Fuck them and fuck Sampson for being soft on this issue.

....because Miami didn't beat those teams. They beat ND.

 

[Bane]

....because Miami didn't beat those teams. They beat ND.

Yeah but those teams are all in between us and them and if we're quasi-affiliated with the ACC in football they don't have to make it into an either/or. They're making it an "us or them" appeal and are making it clear they're fine if ND is just dropped out altogether. They're not just stacking up their resume advocating for Miami to be placed in, they are directly appealing for Miami to be placed in at our expense.

 

[jprue24]

Yeah but those teams are all in between us and them and if we're quasi-affiliated with the ACC in football they don't have to make it into an either/or. They're making it an "us or them" appeal and are making it clear they're fine if ND is just dropped out altogether. They're not just stacking up their resume advocating for Miami to be placed in, they are directly appealing for Miami to be placed in at our expense.

...yeah... but they beat ND. Don't over complicate it with consequences.

 

[IRISHDODGER]

ND should have one of their official accounts sub tweeting the ACC account & troll them about agreeing that the 1993 NC awarded to an ACC team should now be rescinded & awarded retroactively to ND b/c of head-to-head. And if a “doomsday scenario” hits & the head to head does propel Miami past ND, then they should officially tweet a claim of the 1993 NC for the same reason full stop. Why not, Auburn just claimed multiple nattys recently?

 

[Irish#1]

Alabama
USC
Miami
Oklahoma
Georgia
LSU
Clemson
FSU
Florida
Nebraska
Notre Dame
Ohio St
Penn St
Auburn
Texas
Tenn
Michigan
Washington
Oregon
A&M

20 team association.

You could talk me into another 12 to make it 32, but that's the highest I would go.

You play 9 games against each other each year and 3 games are allowed against top level NCAA FBS teams (current P4 teams that are left out + the Service Academies).

Use an algorithm to determine the top 8 that make a playoff.

All other NCAA sports are unaffected. The current P4 teams that are left out can do whatever the hell they want amongst themselves and the rest of the current FBS for a title. FCS can continue to do their thing.

Hell, maybe we could even get back to regional conferences that make sense for the rest of the sports.

All refs work for the NCAA moving forward.

I don’t think you can do that without a detrimental impact to CFB. IMO, the better route is to go back to the days of the Pac8 or 10, Southwest, B1G, SEC, etc. Do away with automatic qualifiers and go with the top 12 or however many playoff spots there are. You could see more out of conference games which would help the regular season.

 

[Bane]

...yeah... but they beat ND. Don't over complicate it with consequences.

Found Pete Sampson's account.

 

[jprue24]

Found Pete Sampson's account.

That's two beat reporters I've been accused of being.

Bro... no one at ACC social media thought this through. They aren't going at BYU, Utah, or Bama because Miami didn't beat them. Fin.

 

[Bane]

That's two beat reporters I've been accused of being.

Bro... no one at ACC social media thought this through. They aren't going at BYU, Utah, or Bama because Miami didn't beat them. Fin.

I think they thought it through because they posted graphics multiple weeks in a row. The ACC never once campaigned for undefeated conference champion FSU back in 2023. They're also letting their current conference leader, Georgia Tech, sit at 18 or whatever they are with no campaigning to have them ranked any higher. Pretty clear that this was targeted specifically at ND and if Brice's reporting is accurate the ND administration feels the same way. And by just doing a straight binary between us and them they come across almost like they don't care if Miami is in the playoffs, it almost comes across that they would be fine being ranked wherever so long as ND is at least one slot below them. It seems very petty.

As an aside, your constant use of an ellipsis, especially to start your post off, make your posts read as very passive aggressive and bitchy.

 

[T-Boone]

Would ND fully join the ACC if, say, they agreed to everyone playing only 8 conference games and Navy joined and ND played them and Stanford each season. Wouldn't that mean we have about the same amount of independence?

 

[TorontoGold]

Would ND fully join the ACC if, say, they agreed to everyone playing only 8 conference games and Navy joined and ND played them and Stanford each season. Wouldn't that mean we have about the same amount of independence?

lol what? The ACC is going to reduce the number of league games from 9 to 8 (while the SEC goes to 9)?? The ACC is going to admit an academy school to dilute the already small TV deal money? Just look at the 2028 schedule, Texas/Ark/Auburn/Purdue, if you go forward with this idea you're removing the possibility of having the USC game. Same amount of independence? ND has to play 5/6 ACC teams a year, going to 8 is reducing that independence. Other than Navy, who does this even benefit?

 

[Bane]

Yeah I don't want to forsake independence in general, but certainly not for the ACC. That conference is a ticking time bomb and is going to fall apart at some point.

 

[jprue24]

I think they thought it through because they posted graphics multiple weeks in a row. The ACC never once campaigned for undefeated conference champion FSU back in 2023. They're also letting their current conference leader, Georgia Tech, sit at 18 or whatever they are with no campaigning to have them ranked any higher. Pretty clear that this was targeted specifically at ND and if Brice's reporting is accurate the ND administration feels the same way. And by just doing a straight binary between us and them they come across almost like they don't care if Miami is in the playoffs, it almost comes across that they would be fine being ranked wherever so long as ND is at least one slot below them. It seems very petty.

As an aside, your constant use of an ellipsis, especially to start your post off, make your posts read as very passive aggressive and bitchy.

If you saw and heard me, you'd think I was very direct and dickish. That said, noted.

To the point, regardless of the 2nd or 3rd order effects... this is kinda how social media is getting done, clicks. I don't think it's complex, I think it started careless or with incompetence. I also haven't said it wasn't a big deal. ND is rightly pissed.

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

I love ND is hated again. All we need to complete the hate is blowing up a conference. Feed the hate

 

[stlnd01]

Yeah I don't want to forsake independence in general, but certainly not for the ACC. That conference is a ticking time bomb and is going to fall apart at some point.

Also none of the teams in it, with the occasional exceptions of Clemson and Miami, impress anyone on a national level. We'd be signing up for even more games against the likes of Syracuse and Wake Forest. No thanks.

This isn't complicated. The ACC is all but guaranteed one CFP bid, and the money that comes with it, which is split among all the schools. An at-large bid would double everyone's CFP payout. Miami probably can't win the conference, and is their only plausible candidate for an at-large. If Miami gets in, everyone gets paid. Not to mention Miami is the ACC team most likely to advance in the playoffs, which would mean even more money for everyone.

This is their own self-interest at work, and it's fine. The price of independence. But yes we should take notes here and do the ACC no favors any time soon.

 

[Bane]

Also none of the teams in it, with the occasional exceptions of Clemson and Miami, impress anyone on a national level. We'd be signing up for even more games against the likes of Syracuse and Wake Forest. No thanks.

This isn't complicated. The ACC is all but guaranteed one CFP bid, and the money that comes with it, which is split among all the schools. An at-large bid would double everyone's CFP payout. Miami probably can't win the conference, and is their only plausible candidate for an at-large. If Miami gets in, everyone gets paid. Not to mention Miami is the ACC team most likely to advance in the playoffs, which would mean even more money for everyone.

This is their own self-interest at work, and it's fine. The price of independence. But yes we should take notes here and do the ACC no favors any time soon.

I understand why the ACC wants Miami in and I don't have a problem with them advocating for that. Lord knows the SEC and half of ESPN had a meltdown when Bama didn't get in last year. Their strategy of making it a hard binary choice of ND and Miami is shortsighted not only in terms of its long term relationship with us, but the committee has come right out and said they're not comparing ND and Miami at all and don't consider us in the same tier. They have a gap of 3 teams currently to overcome to get to that point so their time would better be spent trying to convince the world they're better than Utah, BYU, and Alabama first.

 

[IrishLax]

The problem with being fully Independent and not having a deal like the current one is how conferences have become mega conferences. If schools are even brave enough to schedule a big out of conference game it has to be early in the season because teams are playing 9-10 conference games instead of 7-8 like back in the day.

So, it would be very difficult to actually get enough quality opponents.

I am all for nuking the ACC deal but if we do that we would need the B1G or SEC to give us a similar deal in order to keep football independent. I think either of them would.

Yeah it's difficult to get enough quality opponents in the middle of the season. ND can get whoever the first 4 weeks it's the next 8 that are fucked.

One of the issues with the Stanford series is allegedly how the ACC is treating it for their scheduling agreement. People act like the ACC doesn't want us but it's actually the opposite we are REQUIRED for their media rights deal to have any $$ in it. The rumor is that the ACC doesn't want to count it as one of their five contractual games.