Absolutely full of crap or just delusional

[Wingman Ray]

https://sports.yahoo.com/notre-dame-disassociates-itself-from-lou-holtzs-rnc-comments-questioning-joe-bidens-catholic-faith-201704391.html

John Jenkins is just flat out wrong. “Moreover, we Catholics should remind ourselves that while we may judge the objective moral quality of another’s actions, we must never question the sincerity of another’s faith, which is due to the mysterious working of grace in that person’s heart. In this fractious time, let us remember that our highest calling is to love.”

The Word of God clearly says:

James 17-20

"What is the use of saying you have faith if you do not prove it by your actions? That kind of faith cant save anyone."

"So see, it isn't enough just to have faith. Faith that doesn't show itself by good deeds is no faith at all."

"I cant see your faith if you do not have good deeds, but I will show you my faith through my good deeds."

You cannot be the biggest advocate of Abortion in Presidential political history and call yourself a Christian. I would argue you cant be a Democrat and call yourself a Christian under the current Democrat platform. And the fact that John Jenkins would not outwardly condemn a man who is a advocate of child murder, abet only to chase Liberal voters, as a means to only to clearly appease the world (ND donors), shows his complete lack of faith and conviction.

This is shameful. ND stands as one of the very few strong Christian faith universities. As Christians, we are commanded to resist the world and to not seek to be of the world. You would think its president would hold to the faith of the very university he is paid extremely well to represent.

 

[dublinirish]

https://sports.yahoo.com/notre-dame-disassociates-itself-from-lou-holtzs-rnc-comments-questioning-joe-bidens-catholic-faith-201704391.html

John Jenkins is just flat out wrong. “Moreover, we Catholics should remind ourselves that while we may judge the objective moral quality of another’s actions, we must never question the sincerity of another’s faith, which is due to the mysterious working of grace in that person’s heart. In this fractious time, let us remember that our highest calling is to love.”

The Word of God clearly says:

James 17-20

"What is the use of saying you have faith if you do not prove it by your actions? That kind of faith cant save anyone."

"So see, it isn't enough just to have faith. Faith that doesn't show itself by good deeds is no faith at all."

"I cant see your faith if you do not have good deeds, but I will show you my faith through my good deeds."

You cannot be the biggest advocate of Abortion in Presidential political history and call yourself a Christian. I would argue you cant be a Democrat and call yourself a Christian under the current Democrat platform. And the fact that John Jenkins would not outwardly condemn a man who is a advocate of child murder, abet only to chase Liberal voters, as a means to only to clearly appease the world (ND donors), shows his complete lack of faith and conviction.

This is shameful. ND stands as one of the very few strong Christian faith universities. As Christians, we are commanded to resist the world and to not seek to be of the world. You would think its president would hold to the faith of the very university he is paid extremely well to represent.

can Trump call himself a christian and be championed by those who claim to be when many of this words and actions say otherwise?

 

[EddytoNow]

can Trump call himself a christian and be championed by those who claim to be when many of this words and actions say otherwise?

The answer to your question is "No." Trump is not a Christian, nor should his supporters call themselves Christians. Their actions speak otherwise. Walk the walk or cease the talk.

 

[dad4aa]

can Trump call himself a christian and be championed by those who claim to be when many of this words and actions say otherwise?

Not sure why you always have to turn a thread into anti-Trump rhetoric. Wingman brought this up because Lou Holtz spoke at the Trump rally last night. Jenkins took it upon himself to distant ND from Holtz because of what Holtz said about Biden's abortion belief (including terminating a pregnancy in the ninth month) and Catholic belief (and pretty much all Christian's belief). Pretty much spot on with what Wingman quoted. I am not Catholic but I agree with Wingman that...if Notre Dame is a Catholic University, then it should support the Catholic stance on this major issue and not be afraid to offend a potential student, donor, recruit, etc.

 

[dublinirish]

Not sure why you always have to turn a thread into anti-Trump rhetoric. Wingman brought this up because Lou Holtz spoke at the Trump rally last night. Jenkins took it upon himself to distant ND from Holtz because of what Holtz said about Biden's abortion belief (including terminating a pregnancy in the ninth month) and Catholic belief (and pretty much all Christian's belief). Pretty much spot on with what Wingman quoted. I am not Catholic but I agree with Wingman that...if Notre Dame is a Catholic University, then it should support the Catholic stance on this major issue and not be afraid to offend a potential student, donor, recruit, etc.

Just pointing out hypocrisy, thats all.

 

[House16]

can Trump call himself a christian and be championed by those who claim to be when many of this words and actions say otherwise?

Very, very obviously no. If his abortion stance disqualifies Biden from being considered Christian, then Trump has been disqualified about a million times over. Also, the same “pro-life” people who hate Biden had no problem whatsoever voting for pro-death penalty Bush. Claiming that Biden doesn’t represent the faith because of abortion is heavily motivated by political bias at best and an outright ploy at worst.

 

[SouthSideChiDomer]

https://sports.yahoo.com/notre-dame-disassociates-itself-from-lou-holtzs-rnc-comments-questioning-joe-bidens-catholic-faith-201704391.html

John Jenkins is just flat out wrong. “Moreover, we Catholics should remind ourselves that while we may judge the objective moral quality of another’s actions, we must never question the sincerity of another’s faith, which is due to the mysterious working of grace in that person’s heart. In this fractious time, let us remember that our highest calling is to love.”

The Word of God clearly says:

James 17-20

"What is the use of saying you have faith if you do not prove it by your actions? That kind of faith cant save anyone."

"So see, it isn't enough just to have faith. Faith that doesn't show itself by good deeds is no faith at all."

"I cant see your faith if you do not have good deeds, but I will show you my faith through my good deeds."

You cannot be the biggest advocate of Abortion in Presidential political history and call yourself a Christian. I would argue you cant be a Democrat and call yourself a Christian under the current Democrat platform. And the fact that John Jenkins would not outwardly condemn a man who is a advocate of child murder, abet only to chase Liberal voters, as a means to only to clearly appease the world (ND donors), shows his complete lack of faith and conviction.

This is shameful. ND stands as one of the very few strong Christian faith universities. As Christians, we are commanded to resist the world and to not seek to be of the world. You would think its president would hold to the faith of the very university he is paid extremely well to represent.

I really hate when people say stuff like this. Not even the Pope agrees with this stance. He has made it abundantly clear that abortion is not the only "pro-life" issue. Really neither party in this country really fits the Church's teachings. I think there should even be a question of it is possible for any of us to truly follow the teachings when we live in the wealthiest and most materialistic society in history while more than 2 billion people still lack access to safe drinking water and ~10% of people in our own country go hungry.

 

[IrishLax]

https://sports.yahoo.com/notre-dame-disassociates-itself-from-lou-holtzs-rnc-comments-questioning-joe-bidens-catholic-faith-201704391.html

John Jenkins is just flat out wrong. “Moreover, we Catholics should remind ourselves that while we may judge the objective moral quality of another’s actions, we must never question the sincerity of another’s faith, which is due to the mysterious working of grace in that person’s heart. In this fractious time, let us remember that our highest calling is to love.”

The Word of God clearly says:

James 17-20

"What is the use of saying you have faith if you do not prove it by your actions? That kind of faith cant save anyone."

"So see, it isn't enough just to have faith. Faith that doesn't show itself by good deeds is no faith at all."

"I cant see your faith if you do not have good deeds, but I will show you my faith through my good deeds."

You cannot be the biggest advocate of Abortion in Presidential political history and call yourself a Christian. I would argue you cant be a Democrat and call yourself a Christian under the current Democrat platform. And the fact that John Jenkins would not outwardly condemn a man who is a advocate of child murder, abet only to chase Liberal voters, as a means to only to clearly appease the world (ND donors), shows his complete lack of faith and conviction.

This is shameful. ND stands as one of the very few strong Christian faith universities. As Christians, we are commanded to resist the world and to not seek to be of the world. You would think its president would hold to the faith of the very university he is paid extremely well to represent.

First of all, Biden's legislative record (specifically, support for Hyde Amendment) makes him something other than the "biggest advocate of Abortion in Presidential political history."

Second of all, Trump was pro choice his entire life until he became the Republican nominee, and after that he was ambivalent on the topic.

Third of all, Trump is rumored to have paid partners to have abortions, and dodged the question when asked about it directly. Michael Cohen denied knowledge of such agreements under oath to Congress, but Trump has refused to talk about it (possibly because of the NDAs we know exist). If Trump did that it would be a far more grievous sin in the eyes of the Church than having a civil policy position that citizens have a right to choose without criminal punishment.

So save your pearl clutching over Lou Holtz being a stooge and the University responding accordingly.

 

[NDBoiler]

I saw this article the other day as well and it certainly could cause an emotional reaction, as likely was the author’s intent. I understand your points on NDs statement, and them coming out with a statement on this is basically a no win situation. They either look disingenuous or hypocritical as you pointed out. But I think that the bigger issue is Lou’s position. To question the faith of just about anyone on one hand and then endorse Trump on the other is about as hypocritical as you can get. It makes me sad because I’ve always loved Lou for his leadership and charisma, but this is a bad look for him in my eyes. It’s also just the next thing in a long line of things that makes me sad as a conservative in the Trump era.

 

[SonofOahu]

I saw this article the other day as well and it certainly could cause an emotional reaction, as likely was the author’s intent. I understand your points on NDs statement, and them coming out with a statement on this is basically a no win situation. They either look disingenuous or hypocritical as you pointed out. But I think that the bigger issue is Lou’s position. To question the faith of just about anyone on one hand and then endorse Trump on the other is about as hypocritical as you can get. It makes me sad because I’ve always loved Lou for his leadership and charisma, but this is a bad look for him in my eyes. It’s also just the next thing in a long line of things that makes me sad as a conservative in the Trump era.

This. Fuck Lou Holtz.

I said it, neg rep away.

 

[RDU Irish]

Not sure why you always have to turn a thread into anti-Trump rhetoric. Wingman brought this up because Lou Holtz spoke at the Trump rally last night. Jenkins took it upon himself to distant ND from Holtz because of what Holtz said about Biden's abortion belief (including terminating a pregnancy in the ninth month) and Catholic belief (and pretty much all Christian's belief). Pretty much spot on with what Wingman quoted. I am not Catholic but I agree with Wingman that...if Notre Dame is a Catholic University, then it should support the Catholic stance on this major issue and not be afraid to offend a potential student, donor, recruit, etc.

Jenkins offended me with his partisan hackery - no need to enter the fray. Supporting Trump and pointing out abortion as one of your top issues is not something Jenkins needs to condemn. That coming from a pro-shitorgetoffthepot stance. Between you and God early on but after some reasonable point our society needs to hold folks accountable - second trimester at minimum as that kid is viable. Otherwise why not just allow abortion up to age 18?

ND and so many other institutions are playing a dangerous game.

 

[dublinirish]

This. Fuck Lou Holtz.

I said it, neg rep away.

over/under bet on how long is statue will remain in ND? His views aren't changing with the times. It's not going to remain there forever.

 

[RDU Irish]

Jenkins was making an obvious threat to anyone who would endorse Trump that is or has been affiliated with the university (lower case on purpose). The liberal ideology with no tolerance for opposing viewpoints is everywhere in academia. Jenkins probably wet himself when Professor Pete signed up.

Lou is entitled to his opinion and unless the university is REALLY going to get involved on some issues they need to STFU.

Who were the football players that were beat up outside the Linebacker a few years ago? UND did nothing to stand up for them at the time - repeat abuser police officer. Way to staND guys! Joke.

 

[dublinirish]

Jenkins was making an obvious threat to anyone who would endorse Trump that is or has been affiliated with the university (lower case on purpose). The liberal ideology with no tolerance for opposing viewpoints is everywhere in academia. Jenkins probably wet himself when Professor Pete signed up.

Lou is entitled to his opinion and unless the university is REALLY going to get involved on some issues they need to STFU.

Who were the football players that were beat up outside the Linebacker a few years ago? UND did nothing to stand up for them at the time - repeat abuser police officer. Way to staND guys! Joke.

surprized you are so precious about the ND "betraying" when you happily sell your game tickets to opposing fans for profit

 

[RDU Irish]

https://www.southbendtribune.com/news/publicsafety/woman-charged-in-altercation-involving-notre-dame-football-player-at/article_3035b872-0b0c-57bf-ac12-2b87e1be3717.html

Devin Butler - that was it. Breaking up a cat fight and the po-po go ape-shit on him while the lilly white privileged instigators run off. Funny the assailant must have been denied a job when her background check flagged an outstanding warrant so she shows up two years later - sounds like a real peach.

 

[RDU Irish]

surprized you are so precious about the ND "betraying" when you happily sell your game tickets to opposing fans for profit

I wasn't aware there was an "exclude opposing fans" button on StubHub? We really need to raise awareness of this feature!

 

[SonofOahu]

Not sure why you always have to turn a thread into anti-Trump rhetoric. Wingman brought this up because Lou Holtz spoke at the Trump rally last night. Jenkins took it upon himself to distant ND from Holtz because of what Holtz said about Biden's abortion belief (including terminating a pregnancy in the ninth month) and Catholic belief (and pretty much all Christian's belief). Pretty much spot on with what Wingman quoted. I am not Catholic but I agree with Wingman that...if Notre Dame is a Catholic University, then it should support the Catholic stance on this major issue and not be afraid to offend a potential student, donor, recruit, etc.

Jenkins offended me with his partisan hackery - no need to enter the fray. Supporting Trump and pointing out abortion as one of your top issues is not something Jenkins needs to condemn. That coming from a pro-shitorgetoffthepot stance. Between you and God early on but after some reasonable point our society needs to hold folks accountable - second trimester at minimum as that kid is viable. Otherwise why not just allow abortion up to age 18?

ND and so many other institutions are playing a dangerous game.

ND has non-Catholic students, staff, and stakeholders - me being one of them. Dean Carolyn Woo and Professor Viva Bartkus were working on a project studying the reasons for Catholicism's shrinking numbers and influence -- this was over ten years ago. I don't know what the outcome was, but it's pretty easy to see why the Catholic religion is/was a shrinking one: it's rigid, outdated, and seems miserable. As an outsider looking in, to me it seems like Father Jenkins has done a good job at dovetailing old belief with modern times.

over/under bet on how long is statue will remain in ND? His views aren't changing with the times. It's not going to remain there forever.

Nah, Lou is untouchable as a football icon -- he won a championship. He's not an angel, but he's hardly the worst. Hypocrite? Yes. Frankly, I find his love of Crown Royal more offensive than his embrace of Trump.

 

[Irish#1]

surprized you are so precious about the ND "betraying" when you happily sell your game tickets to opposing fans for profit

Kind of a reach there.

 

[RDU Irish]

ND has non-Catholic students, staff, and stakeholders - me being one of them. Dean Carolyn Woo and Professor Viva Bartkus were working on a project studying the reasons for Catholicism's shrinking numbers and influence -- this was over ten years ago. I don't know what the outcome was, but it's pretty easy to see why the Catholic religion is/was a shrinking one: it's rigid, outdated, and seems miserable. As an outsider looking in, to me it seems like Father Jenkins has done a good job at dovetailing old belief with modern times.



Nah, Lou is untouchable as a football icon -- he won a championship. He's not an angel, but he's hardly the worst. Hypocrite? Yes. Frankly, I find his love of Crown Royal more offensive than his embrace of Trump.

So old school to think partial birth abortion is heinous. I'm a freaking bible banging fossil.

So interesting to watch the cancel culture in action. Jenkins SHOULD embrace non-catholic beliefs to be inclusive. ND MUST empower its athletes to stand up for BLM and social justice causes. But if a retired coach says abortion is wrong you better condemn it within 12 hours. We all know the real reason is Lou promoting Trump is unacceptable and must be cancelled. Douche move.

 

[SonofOahu]

So old school to think partial birth abortion is heinous. I'm a freaking bible banging fossil.

Pointing to partial-birth abortions as a norm is like me pointing to a catholic priest and saying "there goes the pederast." It's definitely not the norm.