5th Year guys

[Irishman77]

Why wouldn't you see Fox and Calabrese rotating? (Grace is a werewolf, and will start for Manti.)

How do you pick one not the other, and maintain decent moralle?

Martin and Watt returning makes the other more likely to return.

Wood should return. He could use another year. But will he?

Fox should keep his hair the way he wants, and we don't need to comment on that shiit.

From what I have heard, and what my instincts tell me, we are looking at three more because of med scholarships, and other hardship waivers or transfers.

I agree completely
1. AQM
2. Redfield
3. Bryant or folston

 

[stlnd01]

Why wouldn't you see Fox and Calabrese rotating? (Grace is a werewolf, and will start for Manti.)

How do you pick one not the other, and maintain decent moralle?

I don't know. Having two fifth-years platooning at the same position, with a bunch of younger guys stuck on the depth chart behind them, seems like tricky roster management. As mentioned above, we're going to need some experienced LBs in 2014, too. If we weren't pushing the limit on schollies, maybe, but right now I'd take one. Probably Fox.

 

[Emcee77]

So, I noticed that Eifert tweeted this on 12/4:

Tyler Eifert ‏@EiferTy80
2 finals and a presentation are left. #timeflies

Dan Fox quoted him and added #onemoreeyear:

Dan Fox ‏@DPFoxy
“@EiferTy80: 2 finals and a presentation are left. #timeflies” #onemoreyear #ND

I'm not highly twitter-literate but I interpreted this as trying to convince Eifert to return. Fat chance, but whatever.

Then yesterday Fox tweeted this:

Dan Fox ‏@DPFoxy
I'm done with school forever.

Forever? I thought he was a 5th year lock. Maybe he's just exaggerating?

 

[DSully1995]

So, noticed that Eifert tweeted this:

Tyler Eifert ‏@EiferTy80
2 finals and a presentation are left. #timeflies

Dan Fox quoted him and added #onemoreeyear:

Dan Fox ‏@DPFoxy
“@EiferTy80: 2 finals and a presentation are left. #timeflies” #onemoreyear #ND

I'm not highly twitter-literate but I interpreted this as trying to convince Eifert to return.

Then yesterday Fox tweeted this:

Dan Fox ‏@DPFoxy
I'm done with school forever.

Forever? I thought he was a 5th year lock. Maybe he's just exaggerating?

A reporter asked Eifert about a 5th year, he didnt look unconvinced, he got his degree and did 4 years, im happy

 

[Emcee77]

A reporter asked Eifert about a 5th year, he didnt look unconvinced, he got his degree and did 4 years, im happy

Right, I don't expect Eifert back. I'm more confused by the Fox tweet yesterday. Is he really done with school forever? I hope not. Especially confusing because not much more than a week ago he was trying to convince other guys like Eifert to return.

 

[chicago51]

Anyone have an idea when are going to know about the medical guys? Slaughter? Hegarty i believe?

 

[Greystoke]

Ishaq has played extensively as a backup at CAT, Councell's role will grow next year so DOG is really not an issue, also not to mention in 2014, Jaylon Smith will be a sophomore, so I guess ILB would be the problem. IF Fox and Calabrese both come back, and IF they start as WILL and MIKE respectively, then there will be an issue, but even then, Jarrett Grace, someone both Kelly and Diaco have spoken highly of, will step in probably at MIKE, but the real battle will be at WILL, if Kendall Moore (if he returns for a 5th), Alex Anzalone, Anthony Rabasa or someone else, perhaps an incoming recruit challenges for the spot, that should be the only scary thing.

So really, the only problem with our 2014 LB core could potentially be at WILL, but with all the talent around and experience, there really shouldnt be much of an issue, IMO.

May be dumb, but could someone explain CAT,DOG, MIKE, WILL...

 

[aubeirish]

Anyone have an idea when are going to know about the medical guys? Slaughter? Hegarty i believe?

We don't know yet.

 

[Emcee77]

May be dumb, but could someone explain CAT,DOG, MIKE, WILL...

Briefly,
CAT is the boundary (short side) outside linebacker. Sort of a DE/OLB hybrid. Has to have the skill and speed to drop in coverage and make plays in space as well as the toughness to rush the passer

DOG is the field (wide side) outside linebacker. Has to have safety-like coverage skills but be big and strong enough to match up with tight ends.

MIKE is the ILB who makes the calls.

WILL is the other ILB. Basically the same position; they just play in different gaps.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Anyone have an idea when are going to know about the medical guys? Slaughter? Hegarty i believe?

Slaughter will have to petition the NCAA for a medical hardship waiver. Since his playing time was considerable before he went down with injury, it's very unlikely he gets it.

Hegarty will allegedly be OK now. He's no longer expected to take a medical. Nichols may still do so, though.

May be dumb, but could someone explain CAT,DOG, MIKE, WILL...

"Cat" or Rush OLB: Hybrid DE/ OLB. Frequently starts from a three-point stance on the line with the DL (particularly on passing downs). Must be able to rush the passer, set the edge against the run, and drop into coverage occasionally. Arguably the hardest position to play in Diaco's scheme.

"Dog" or Drop OLB: Hybrid S/OLB. Plays to the field side of the formation. Frequently lined up over a TE or a slot WR. Spends the most time in coverage of all the LBs. Must also be able to set the edge and rush the passer, but focus is on pass coverage.

"WILL" or Weak ILB: Lines up to the "weak" side of the offensive formation (away from the TE usually). Primary focus is on filling gaps/ run support. Typically spends more time in coverage than the Mike, but responsibilities are identical in theory.

"Mike" or Middle ILB: Lines up to the "strong" side of the offensive formation (near the TE usually). Primary focus is on filling gaps/ run support, but also responsible for covering underneath routes. Must be able to "quarterback" the front-7 (i.e. get everyone lined up correctly).

 

[chicago51]

This article explains Bob Diaco's defense including the LB postions.

Bob Diaco's 3-4 "No Crease" Defense - One Foot Down

 

[Greystoke]

Slaughter will have to petition the NCAA for a medical hardship waiver. Since his playing time was considerable before he went down with injury, it's very unlikely he gets it.

Hegarty will allegedly be OK now. He's no longer expected to take a medical. Nichols may still do so, though.



"Cat" or Rush OLB: Hybrid DE/ OLB. Frequently starts from a three-point stance on the line with the DL (particularly on passing downs). Must be able to rush the passer, set the edge against the run, and drop into coverage occasionally. Arguably the hardest position to play in Diaco's scheme.

"Dog" or Drop OLB: Hybrid S/OLB. Plays to the field side of the formation. Frequently lined up over a TE or a slot WR. Spends the most time in coverage of all the LBs. Must also be able to set the edge and rush the passer, but focus is on pass coverage.

"WILL" or Weak ILB: Lines up to the "weak" side of the offensive formation (away from the TE usually). Primary focus is on filling gaps/ run support. Typically spends more time in coverage than the Mike, but responsibilities are identical in theory.

"Mike" or Middle ILB: Lines up to the "strong" side of the offensive formation (near the TE usually). Primary focus is on filling gaps/ run support, but also responsible for covering underneath routes. Must be able to "quarterback" the front-7 (i.e. get everyone lined up correctly).

Thanks....Sorry again for the whiplash anger! Work a call center, excuse enough?

 

[Irish YJ]

Briefly,
CAT is the boundary (short side) outside linebacker. Sort of a DE/OLB hybrid. Has to have the skill and speed to drop in coverage and make plays in space as well as the toughness to rush the passer

DOG is the field (wide side) outside linebacker. Has to have safety-like coverage skills but be big and strong enough to match up with tight ends.

MIKE is the ILB who makes the calls.

WILL is the other ILB. Basically the same position; they just play in different gaps.

I'd add two things.
1. WILL typically is considered the weak side ILB.
2. Cooks and others have been on record saying they want a mirror situation for both positions. CAT/DOG are virutally the same, and MIKE/WILL are virtually the same. This of course assumes they have the talent to pull it off. Until then, you'll see the typical week/strong or wide/boundary characteristics guide placement.

 

[Emcee77]

yesterday Fox tweeted this:

Dan Fox ‏@DPFoxy
I'm done with school forever.

Forever? I thought he was a 5th year lock. Maybe he's just exaggerating?

Still curious about this. Do these guys just assume their career is over until they officially hear from the staff that they have been offered a 5th year? Fox has to be 99% sure he will be offered a 5th year, doesn't he? This tweet puzzles me.

 

[Irish YJ]

This article explains Bob Diaco's defense including the LB postions.

Bob Diaco's 3-4 "No Crease" Defense - One Foot Down

I've been looking for this. Read it a while back (someone else posted). Great great read.

Whiskey - did you write this?

 

[Greystoke]

I'd add two things.
1. WILL typically is considered the weak side ILB.
2. Cooks and others have been on record saying they want a mirror situation for both positions. CAT/DOG are virutally the same, and MIKE/WILL are virtually the same. This of course assumes they have the talent to pull it off. Until then, you'll see the typical week/strong or wide/boundary characteristics guide placement.

Nice. Thanks.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Whiskey - did you write this?

Ha, no. whiskey (note the lower case w) is one of the managing editors over at One Foot Down. He wrote that.

He also created the Excel template that I use for my roster. I wish he posted more frequently.

 

[chicago51]

Does anyone know of B. Jackson and K. Russell which one is the field side corner and which is boundary?

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Does anyone know of B. Jackson and K. Russell which one is the field side corner and which is boundary?

IIRC, Jackson is usually the BCB and Russell the FCB.

 

[Emcee77]

Does anyone know of B. Jackson and K. Russell which one is the field side corner and which is boundary?

They've alternated but I recall Jackson most often playing the field side and Russell the boundary side--which surprised me because in the spring the talk was that Jackson had locked down boundary corner and the only question was who would play field corner. I've always wondered exactly how Russell ended up playing boundary corner and Jackson field.

My guess is that boundary corner is more of a pure-athleticism role, easier for a freshman to pick up, and field corner requires more of a feel for where people are on the field. That is strictly a guess though ... I am no Bob Diaco.

EDIT: Whiskey remembers it differently ... in any case I'm sure they've alternated. Just not positive which one usually plays which spot.

 

[Irish YJ]

Ha, no. whiskey (note the lower case w) is one of the managing editors over at One Foot Down. He wrote that.

He also created the Excel template that I use for my roster. I wish he posted more frequently.

Does Mr. Lower Case post here? That template rocks.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

They've alternated but I recall Jackson most often playing the field side and Russell the boundary side--which surprised me because in the spring the talk was that Jackson had locked down boundary corner and the only question was who would play field corner. I've always wondered exactly how Russell ended up playing boundary corner and Jackson field.

My guess is that boundary corner is more of a pure-athleticism role, easier for a freshman to pick up, and field corner requires more of a feel for where people are on the field. That is strictly a guess though ... I am no Bob Diaco.

EDIT: Whiskey remembers it differently ... in any case I'm sure they've alternated. Just not positive which one usually plays which spot.

You're right. I just looked through some highlight of the OU and USC games, and Russell was almost always the BCB.

My understanding of the difference is that the FCB has more space to cover, so that's typically where you'll put your faster/ better cover CB. The BCB is supposed to be more physical, and is less likely to get Safety help over the top.

Jackson is probably faster than Russell, so that may be the reason. I'm guessing there's more to it than that, though.

Does Mr. Lower Case post here? That template rocks.

No, sadly. He doesn't even have enough time to post on his own blog frequently.

 

[PANDFAN]

You're right. I just looked through some highlight of the OU and USC games, and Russell was almost always the BCB.

My understanding of the difference is that the FCB has more space to cover, so that's typically where you'll put your faster/ better cover CB. The BCB is supposed to be more physical, and is less likely to get Safety help over the top. Jackson is probably faster than Russell, so that may be the reason. I'm guessing there's more to it than that, though.



No, sadly. He doesn't even have enough time to post on his own blog frequently.

you are right on the money! the bcb is trying to force the wr on the short side out of his route and they try to force him to not have room on sideline to make a catch or disrupt the pattern enough to screw the timing of the route to be off.....this when executed often leads to INT's and throw aways

 

[Irish YJ]

Whiskey - Have you guys (mods) ever comtemplated the creation of a library for fact and data. Example: your roster template, graduation rate, Diaco's defense explained, and all those other little factoids folks are asking about every so often. Call me lazy, but I hate spending time searching back through threads to find that specific Whiskey tid bit, etc.. You Whiskey, need your own wing to that library.

 

[Emcee77]

Whiskey - Have you guys (mods) ever comtemplated the creation of a library for fact and data. Example: your roster template, graduation rate, Diaco's defense explained, and all those other little factoids folks are asking about every so often. Call me lazy, but I hate spending time searching back through threads to find that specific Whiskey tid bit, etc.. You Whiskey, need your own wing to that library.

Totally. The Collected Posts of Whiskey Jack. Love that idea.

 

[chicago51]

Can Fox play in the pros?

If not why wouldn't he come back for a 5th year?

 

[Emcee77]

Can Fox play in the pros?

If not why wouldn't he come back for a 5th year?

That's what I'm saying. I kind of expected Cierre Wood's "done with school forever" tweet, but I was not expecting that sort of tweet from Dan Fox.

Along with Watt, Fox seemed to me like a lock for a 5th year, since he is a key contributor but not really a great NFL prospect right now.

 

[PANDFAN]

Whiskey - Have you guys (mods) ever comtemplated the creation of a library for fact and data. Example: your roster template, graduation rate, Diaco's defense explained, and all those other little factoids folks are asking about every so often. Call me lazy, but I hate spending time searching back through threads to find that specific Whiskey tid bit, etc.. You Whiskey, need your own wing to that library.

save as word documents

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Whiskey - Have you guys (mods) ever comtemplated the creation of a library for fact and data. Example: your roster template, graduation rate, Diaco's defense explained, and all those other little factoids folks are asking about every so often. Call me lazy, but I hate spending time searching back through threads to find that specific Whiskey tid bit, etc.. You Whiskey, need your own wing to that library.

Totally. The Collected Posts of Whiskey Jack. Love that idea.

Thanks for the kind words. If I can find the time, I may very well put together a massive post titled "Everything You Need to Know About NDFB", but in the meantime, my roster and the Football ROI ranking are publicly accessible websites, so a simple bookmark will quickly lead you back to them at any point. That's how I access them, at least.

 

[Irish YJ]

Thanks for the kind words. If I can find the time, I may very well put together a massive post titled "Everything You Need to Know About NDFB", but in the meantime, my roster and the Football ROI ranking are publicly accessible websites, so a simple bookmark will quickly lead you back to them at any point. That's how I access them, at least.

Bookmarked! If you do create a library, consider closing the thread, in it's own forum. I hate when good fact and data get lost in never ending commentary LOL. Also don't forget my earlier request for "IE's guide for Noobs"