‘23 VA ATH Brandyn Hillman (Michigan Verbal)

[NDPhilly]

Considering how late this happened, it’s tough to imagine he didn’t tank a few classes or have a disciplinary issue. If his transcript was that bad, he wouldn’t have reached this point.

 

[irishog77]

Considering how late this happened, it’s tough to imagine he didn’t tank a few classes or have a disciplinary issue. If his transcript was that bad, he wouldn’t have reached this point.

I’d imagine his 3rd quarter just ended. Could perhaps even been something like he needed to take a specific class this semester and didn’t. Or was told he needed a certain grade in a class for both quarters this semester.
Whatever the case, seems like all parties involved now know it will never work.

 

[Crazy Balki]

The problem I have with this, and don't get me wrong, it's definitely a realistic scenario that Hillman legit just tanked hard and didn't clear admissions at ND.

But how does that square with schools like UVA, Michigan and fucking Vanderbilt offering him? Were they just shooting first and asking questions later and when they found out the details about his academics, they would revoke their offer? Having a hard time getting around the idea that Hillman fucked up so bad that ND wouldn't take him, but not so bad that Vanderbilt, a school ranked HIGHER than ND, will.

 

[stlnd01]

The problem I have with this, and don't get me wrong, it's definitely a realistic scenario that Hillman legit just tanked hard and didn't clear admissions at ND.

But how does that square with schools like UVA, Michigan and fucking Vanderbilt offering him? Were they just shooting first and asking questions later and when they found out the details about his academics, they would revoke their offer? Having a hard time getting around the idea that Hillman fucked up so bad that ND wouldn't take him, but not so bad that Vanderbilt, a school ranked HIGHER than ND, will.

Same. BC too (BC not ranked higher than us but is also serious about the school part). It doesn’t really compute. We’ll probably never know but it raises some questions, is all.

 

[irishog77]

Not sure why some of y’all don’t understand that just because a school is ranked high on some “best school” list that they don’t also allow some shitbag, semi-literate students into their schools. Particularly if those students are good at a sport.

Notre Dame allows some concessions for athletes being admitted. They don’t allow them like vanderbilt, duke, michigan, usc, ucla, and others do.

Cal is ranked one spot behind ND. Duke is ranked 8 above ND (and 3 ahead of vanderbilt). Ucla is 2 spots behind ND. We all know, for a fact, that they take on numerous dubious students every year.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Not sure why some of y’all don’t understand that just because a school is ranked high on some “best school” list that they don’t also allow some shitbag, semi-literate students into their schools. Particularly if those students are good at a sport.

Notre Dame allows some concessions for athletes being admitted. They don’t allow them like vanderbilt, duke, michigan, usc, ucla, and others do.

Cal is ranked one spot behind ND. Duke is ranked 8 above ND (and 3 ahead of vanderbilt). Ucla is 2 spots behind ND. We all know, for a fact, that they take on numerous dubious students every year.

Cal did, but I don't think that is the case anymore. I don't recall UCLA ever being notorious for taking in dubious students.

They're also both public schools with student populations several times bigger than ND's.

You're also going to have a pretty tough time selling the idea that Vanderbilt is that much more lenient with athletes than ND.

USC? Sure. Duke? Really just reserved for basketball, where they can hide behind the one-and-done model.

But BC? Vanderbilt? Nah. That's a hard sell for me. Even, as disgusting as it is, Michigan is a hard sell for me. From what I've been able to find, they generally are pretty stringent with admissions. What separates us from Michigan is the general curriculum WHEN they get here.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Not sure why some of y’all don’t understand that just because a school is ranked high on some “best school” list that they don’t also allow some shitbag, semi-literate students into their schools. Particularly if those students are good at a sport.

Notre Dame allows some concessions for athletes being admitted. They don’t allow them like vanderbilt, duke, michigan, usc, ucla, and others do.

Cal is ranked one spot behind ND. Duke is ranked 8 above ND (and 3 ahead of vanderbilt). Ucla is 2 spots behind ND. We all know, for a fact, that they take on numerous dubious students every year.

Do you realize how arrogant you sound? You are literally the poster child why everybody hates Notre Dame.

Sure, everyone else in our peer group are taking a bunch of 'shitbag, semi-illiterate students'.

Vanderbilt, Cal, UCLA, Michigan, Boston College, Duke, Wake Forest.
Yeah, that's a real list of 'renegade' schools there 🤣

 

[ThePiombino]

...some shitbag, semi-literate students into their schools...

lol WTF bro

 

[Free Manera]

I'm sure Hillman shares in the blame to a degree. But Lloyd flat out said ND could have admitted him. Therefore it seems like Hillman did enough; maybe the bare minimum but still enough.

 

[ab2cmiller]

So hypothetically speaking, if you make it clear to a recruit the conditions that have to be met and they don't quite meet those conditions, you might have two options.

1. Stick to your guns and say "we made the conditions clear, you didn't meet them, you are not cleared to enroll".
2. Even though we made the conditions clear, they got close, and we will make an exception and let him enroll.

The negative to number 2 is your starting off a relationship where you've drawn a line in the sand and you've already made an exception. That doesn't usually result in a positive relationship over time.

 

[irishog77]

Cal did, but I don't think that is the case anymore. I don't recall UCLA ever being notorious for taking in dubious students.

They're also both public schools with student populations several times bigger than ND's.

You're also going to have a pretty tough time selling the idea that Vanderbilt is that much more lenient with athletes than ND.

USC? Sure. Duke? Really just reserved for basketball, where they can hide behind the one-and-done model.

But BC? Vanderbilt? Nah. That's a hard sell for me. Even, as disgusting as it is, Michigan is a hard sell for me. From what I've been able to find, they generally are pretty stringent with admissions. What separates us from Michigan is the general curriculum WHEN they get here.

Vanderbilt absolutely is more lenient. Definitely throughout the 70's-90's, and into this century, they simply parked them in Peabody College. I'm not certain if that's how they do that now, but very likely, as Peabody College is still very much a part of vandy. I know guys who went through the vandy/peabody programs who laugh at how much different it was for them, and concede they would have never gotten into vandy if not for playing football. And keep in mind, these were vanderbilt football players, guys whose football ability would preclude them from playing at many other schools.

You concede that usc and duke allow dubious students, although for basketball, which is the bell cow for their university. Not sure why it's so hard to believe vandy does this for football players.

 

[irishog77]

Do you realize how arrogant you sound? You are literally the poster child why everybody hates Notre Dame.

Sure, everyone else in our peer group are taking a bunch of 'shitbag, semi-illiterate students'.

Vanderbilt, Cal, UCLA, Michigan, Boston College, Duke, Wake Forest.
Yeah, that's a real list of 'renegade' schools there 🤣

It sounding arrogant to you doesn't make it untrue.

I also never mentioned multiple schools you did.

 

[StPaul_Irish]

F#C& this thread...

 

[irishog77]

lol WTF bro

Guys who rape girls, threaten to rape girls, and commit various felonies are, by and large, shitbags.

If a guy can barely speak or string together fairly coherent thoughts, there's a good bet that he's only semi-literate.

 

[ThePiombino]

Guys who rape girls, threaten to rape girls, and commit various felonies are, by and large, shitbags.

If a guy can barely speak or string together fairly coherent thoughts, there's a good bet that he's only semi-literate.

So, just be clear - if you can't get through ND admissions you are some or all of the above? Can't imagine that's your point, but that's how it reads.

 

[Irishdrunk]

Guys who rape girls, threaten to rape girls, and commit various felonies are, by and large, shitbags.

If a guy can barely speak or string together fairly coherent thoughts, there's a good bet that he's only semi-literate.

So is Hillman a Sexual Predator???? WTH?

 

[Sherm Sticky]

With our new found depth at corner, have to think one of, Lewis, Barnes, Tucker moves to safety right? I have heard multiple talking heads saying/thinking S could be Lewis's best position.

With the CB depth Lewis absolutely should move to FS and probably is his position position.

 

[greyhammer90]

So is Hillman a Sexual Predator???? WTH?

He's just talking about Vandy players that were accepted by Vandy. Specifically the ones that raped women in a story that made national news.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

F#C& this thread...

It went from "Dude we thought was coming isn't coming" to shit show at the f*ck factory.

Hillman isn't coming. There really isn't anything left to say that is relevant to the matter. Just diving into grievance against the administration and admissions. Been there done it.

 

[SeekNDestroy]

With the CB depth Lewis absolutely should move to FS and probably is his position position.

Does anybody think Ausberry will be moved to safety now?

 

[ndfanatic78]

Vanderbilt absolutely is more lenient. Definitely throughout the 70's-90's, and into this century, they simply parked them in Peabody College. I'm not certain if that's how they do that now, but very likely, as Peabody College is still very much a part of vandy. I know guys who went through the vandy/peabody programs who laugh at how much different it was for them, and concede they would have never gotten into vandy if not for playing football. And keep in mind, these were vanderbilt football players, guys whose football ability would preclude them from playing at many other schools.

You concede that usc and duke allow dubious students, although for basketball, which is the bell cow for their university. Not sure why it's so hard to believe vandy does this for football players.

Are you trying to say ND wasn't also more lenient in the 70's - 90's? They literally had a program for football players that didnt meet NDs requirements. Also are you trying to say that 90% of ND's football team would be accepted to the university if they weren't gifted football players because they wouldn't be. Beyond that saying these schools allow "shitbags" is pretty disrespectful especially when ND has had its share of "shitbags" themselves.

 

[ndfanatic78]

Guys who rape girls, threaten to rape girls, and commit various felonies are, by and large, shitbags.

If a guy can barely speak or string together fairly coherent thoughts, there's a good bet that he's only semi-literate.

Doesn't ND have a former player charged with killing a kid? Damn your glass house must have a shit ton of holes.

Former Notre Dame player arrested in 5-year-old girl's death

A former Notre Dame football player is scheduled to appear in court today on murder and child abuse charges. According to Fox 5 in Las Vegas, former Irish running back Cierre Wood was arrested in connection with the death of a 5-year-old girl. Court documents show his girlfriend, a woman by the...

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[Irishdrunk]

They were lenient until Holtz won a title.....

This conversation shows how fucked ND is in terms of being truly elite again. We all know the Admin is not truly committed.

 

[irishog77]

Are you trying to say ND wasn't also more lenient in the 70's - 90's? They literally had a program for football players that didnt meet NDs requirements. Also are you trying to say that 90% of ND's football team would be accepted to the university if they weren't gifted football players because they wouldn't be. Beyond that saying these schools allow "shitbags" is pretty disrespectful especially when ND has had its share of "shitbags" themselves.

No. I conceded earlier that ND makes admissions exceptions, even specifically for football players. And yes, ND has had some bad dudes at the school, some of them probably shitbag guys.

Guys are pissed at ND admissions, largely in reference to some arbitrary list that places ND within spitting distance of other "academically inclined" universities. But there are numerous other schools, on these arbitrary lists, that we all know accept guys ND would never accept. Some people are either not aware of this, or refuse to admit it. Claiming Hillman (or player X) got into or is being recruited by some of these schools, and therefore should be good to go for ND, is not accurate.

I know a lot about vanderbilt, and I know it's totally different for football players there than it is at ND. Stories about stanford (once admitted at least, as it still remains quite difficult to get accepted), ucla, unc, texas, duke, michigan, usc, miami, cal, and michigan are well documented. I'll readily admit I know next to nothing about how it works at places like northwestern, bc, wake forest, and rice regarding admissions and academic integrity for athletes.

 

[irishog77]

Does anybody think Ausberry will be moved to safety now?

Had not thought of that. Interesting.

 

[sfk324]

No. I conceded earlier that ND makes admissions exceptions, even specifically for football players. And yes, ND has had some bad dudes at the school, some of them probably shitbag guys.

Guys are pissed at ND admissions, largely in reference to some arbitrary list that places ND within spitting distance of other "academically inclined" universities. But there are numerous other schools, on these arbitrary lists, that we all know accept guys ND would never accept. Some people are either not aware of this, or refuse to admit it. Claiming Hillman (or player X) got into or is being recruited by some of these schools, and therefore should be good to go for ND, is not accurate.

I know a lot about vanderbilt, and I know it's totally different for football players there than it is at ND. Stories about stanford (once admitted at least, as it still remains quite difficult to get accepted), ucla, unc, texas, duke, michigan, usc, miami, cal, and michigan are well documented. I'll readily admit I know next to nothing about how it works at places like northwestern, bc, wake forest, and rice regarding admissions and academic integrity for athletes.

The overarching theme for the admissions office in regards to undergraduate student-athlete admissions is that, while they will not be held to the same standard as a general applicant, they must show a reasonable ability to graduate on time. In the context of Hillman, it's entirely possible/likely he was borderline, and he was told he needed to show improvement to demonstrate he had the willingness to commit to academics to the degree necessary to succeed at ND, and that more information has been received that indicates he will struggle significantly, regardless of the supports offered. I expect that there are other schools with similar requirements, but most of them also have nonsense programs that are designed specifically to keep athletes eligible and on track to graduate (see e.g., Michigan "general studies").

So to that extent, sure, Loy is correct that they still could have admitted him. But why admit a kid who, by all signs, will not succeed? To set a kid up to fail so you can maybe win a few more football games and possibly relive the fun of vacated wins?

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Does anybody think Ausberry will be moved to safety now?

This was my thought as well. He may be hybrid enough to play safety for us, especially if he's done growing. Could be our Earl Thomas or Bob Sanders. I'm certain the staff will be moving a couple players and you have to at least consider Ausberry.

 

[CANONIZEFATHERSORIN]

I think this whole thing just vindicates one of my longstanding opinions about ND football: until students have a very real fear of being mugged by football players on campus, we will never again be competitive for a national championship.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

Does anybody think Ausberry will be moved to safety now?

It's possible, but he's gotten bigger since the start of his senior year and on top of that when you look at his highlights the dude just looks like a linebacker. He has the skill set and motivation to be in the middle of the field regardless, but I have my doubts that if he went to safety he wouldn't grow out of it and end up back at ILB very quickly.

I don't know if I want to move him further away from the line of scrimmage, honestly. Dude gets to the ball.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Guys who rape girls, threaten to rape girls, and commit various felonies are, by and large, shitbags.

If a guy can barely speak or string together fairly coherent thoughts, there's a good bet that he's only semi-literate.

So because Vanderbilt admitted guys who would eventually go on to rape, threaten to rape or commit various felonies, that is an indictment on their admission process?

You realize that ND has admitted those type of guys before. Does Cierre Wood ring any bells?

There's no telling what a guy is going to do after he is admitted.