‘23 TN QB Kenny Minchey (Notre Dame Signee)

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I really think the OC and QB Coach should be split
In the NFL this is the norm. How many Power Five schools are doing this currently would be my question.

You have guys like Ruggiero, Longo, Riley, Kittley, Grubb that are all OC/QB coaches. The QB is everything in college football. Probably have to have both of these roles combined.
 

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In the NFL this is the norm. How many Power Five schools are doing this currently would be my question.

You have guys like Ruggiero, Longo, Riley, Kittley, Grubb that are all OC/QB coaches. The QB is everything in college football. Probably have to have both of these roles combined.
All of those guys except Kittley have head coaches with OC experience. My thing is that you don't necessarily need to split OC & QB, but you do need two voices for the QB to hear, two sets of eyes to analyze them, two brains to problem solve with them.
 

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I've read I don't know how many posts and have no clue what the facts are on Minchey . . .

Someone, just the facts please and thank you!
 

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I've read I don't know how many posts and have no clue what the facts are on Minchey . . .

Someone, just the facts please and thank you!
He decommitted from Pitt and is supposed to visit ND this weekend for the BC game. It's his only planned visit and he's planning on EE so he would presumably make a decision pretty quickly.

Commentators have suggested it's a done deal and he's already committed to ND. No such announcement has been made.
 

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All of those guys except Kittley have head coaches with OC experience. My thing is that you don't necessarily need to split OC & QB, but you do need two voices for the QB to hear, two sets of eyes to analyze them, two brains to problem solve with them.

Kinda like CBK and insert QB/OC coach .......
 

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All of those guys except Kittley have head coaches with OC experience. My thing is that you don't necessarily need to split OC & QB, but you do need two voices for the QB to hear, two sets of eyes to analyze them, two brains to problem solve with them.
Say ND gets a QB coach in here and has a quarterback that performs at an elite level. (We all go to heaven. Yay.) That guy is likely going to parlay that success to become an OC somewhere. The QB coaches at Ohio State, Florida State and Texas are all coaching under offensive HC. They are also the lowest paid coaches on those respective staffs.

Michigan, Ole Miss, Mizzou, Va Tech, Iowa State, Tennessee and Oklahoma State all have separate QB coaches. Michigan's guy makes $800K a year, the dude at FSU makes $300K a year. That's top end of the scale in terms of QB Coaching salaries.

This becomes a lot more about staff composition and salary distribution more than anything else. The solution here likely ends up being getting rid of a TE coach, at TE U no less, or getting rid of Special Teams.
 

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He decommitted from Pitt and is supposed to visit ND this weekend for the BC game. It's his only planned visit and he's planning on EE so he would presumably make a decision pretty quickly.

Commentators have suggested it's a done deal and he's already committed to ND. No such announcement has been made.
Thank you kindly!

GREAT news. Go Irish!
 

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BK never actually had any OC experience or any other offensive coaching experience.

But he was an "offenseive Guru" and QB whisperer, and it checks your box of having another voice in their ear and set of eyes on them.

I mean, I could be wrong, but wasn't that a big beef around here? Having multiple voices in our QBs ear? Now we want that again?

Getting whiplash around here.
 

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Watching his tape, outside of no really unique arm angles, he honestly reminds me a lot of Mahomes. Every single ball is money whether there is pressure, clean pocket, on the run, off the wrong foot, whatever. Like that he has some serious scrambling ability but doesn't rely on it. If he is healthy enough for the AA Bowl, I expect he'll show out and get a nice rankings bump too.

I didn't want to be the one to say it, to look like that guy that's over-hyping a potential commit as a prisoner-of-the-moment thing...

But that's exactly what I thought when I saw his highlights lol. The way he scrambles around and throws from different platforms with so little effort, and is getting the ball 40+ yards down the field with the flick of his wrist, rather than a full-body heave... that looks like Mahomes. Just dropping it in from wherever he needs to deliver it from. That's good stuff.
 

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But he was an "offenseive Guru" and QB whisperer, and it checks your box of having another voice in their ear and set of eyes on them.

I mean, I could be wrong, but wasn't that a big beef around here? Having multiple voices in our QBs ear? Now we want that again?

Getting whiplash around here.
It's a feature, not a bug
 

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Off topic but seen Kittley mentioned, I’ve never been less impressed with an offense than TTU. Offense is just entirely tempo and going for it on 4th down. Smoke and mirrors attempt at replicating Briles stuff
 

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Say ND gets a QB coach in here and has a quarterback that performs at an elite level. (We all go to heaven. Yay.) That guy is likely going to parlay that success to become an OC somewhere. The QB coaches at Ohio State, Florida State and Texas are all coaching under offensive HC. They are also the lowest paid coaches on those respective staffs.

Michigan, Ole Miss, Mizzou, Va Tech, Iowa State, Tennessee and Oklahoma State all have separate QB coaches. Michigan's guy makes $800K a year, the dude at FSU makes $300K a year. That's top end of the scale in terms of QB Coaching salaries.

This becomes a lot more about staff composition and salary distribution more than anything else. The solution here likely ends up being getting rid of a TE coach, at TE U no less, or getting rid of Special Teams.
Luckily there are some rule changes coming that should help. There is a proposal to get rid of the limit on the number of coaches all together, but even if that doesn't pass, there is still a much more likely change that will allow GAs to be paid much more. If that happens, we could do go with a OC/TE coach with a well paid GA concentrating on TEs and OL and WR coaches helping with them in practice.
 

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Off topic but seen Kittley mentioned, I’ve never been less impressed with an offense than TTU. Offense is just entirely tempo and going for it on 4th down. Smoke and mirrors attempt at replicating Briles stuff
On the one hand, they're 18th in the country in total offense. On the other, WKU where he just left is 14th. LOL.

Luckily there are some rule changes coming that should help. There is a proposal to get rid of the limit on the number of coaches all together, but even if that doesn't pass, there is still a much more likely change that will allow GAs to be paid much more. If that happens, we could do go with a OC/TE coach with a well paid GA concentrating on TEs and OL and WR coaches helping with them in practice.
Tommy Rees is the OC/QB Coach right now and under a head coach not named Brian Kelly is about to flip a four star QB and landed a verbal from Lloyd Carr's grandson who is a five star QB. It's not really a discussion I want to dive into presently. This is the good news we've been waiting months for and now that it's here the scheme to send Tommy on a car ride with Silvio Dante still seems like it's a full go.
 

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On the one hand, they're 18th in the country in total offense. On the other, WKU where he just left is 14th. LOL.


Tommy Rees is the OC/QB Coach right now and under a head coach not named Brian Kelly is about to flip a four star QB and landed a verbal from Lloyd Carr's grandson who is a five star QB. It's not really a discussion I want to dive into presently. This is the good news we've been waiting months for and now that it's here the scheme to send Tommy on a car ride with Silvio Dante still seems like it's a full go.
Since you brought up Tommy…

Very true. Upside is he has pulled 2 highly rated QBs recently. Downside is he led the offense to 2 yards in a half of football against Navy.

Gotta give it to Tommy, he does enough to make everyone feel correct in their opinion of him. He’s done wonders for post count around here.
 

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Since you brought up Tommy…

Very true. Upside is he has pulled 2 highly rated QBs recently. Downside is he led the offense to 2 yards in a half of football against Navy.

Gotta give it to Tommy, he does enough to make everyone feel correct in their opinion of him. He’s done wonders for post count around here.
I feel sorry for whoever the next lightning rod is when he does leave. All the angst, speculation, hatred the guy gets is going to have to go to some other coach, player. It's scarier than midwestern white economic anxiety. WTF are ND fans going to do when this guy is gone and they have to channel their projections to something else?

For months we've been hoping for a 2023 QB and now we're on the cusp of getting one, yet the thread is filled with people using it as yet another opportunity to piss on Rees or start suggesting hypothetical situations that involve him not being around Minchey somehow once he gets to campus.

It's practically parody at this point.
 

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I feel sorry for whoever the next lightning rod is when he does leave. All the angst, speculation, hatred the guy gets is going to have to go to some other coach, player. It's scarier than midwestern white economic anxiety. WTF are ND fans going to do when this guy is gone and they have to channel their projections to something else?

For months we've been hoping for a 2023 QB and now we're on the cusp of getting one, yet the thread is filled with people using it as yet another opportunity to piss on Rees or start suggesting hypothetical situations that involve him not being around Minchey somehow once he gets to campus.

It's practically parody at this point.

Hopefully the next lightning rod can just be the stadium music/concessions crew as the actual team personnel really feels like it’s moving in the right direction.

Problem with The Tommy Trinity:

Tommy the play caller
Tommy the recruiter
Tommy the developer

He seems to give folks a reason to crucify one (or two) a week, while another version of himself looks like the second coming.
 

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With regards to Rees the main argument has always just been there are better options out there. If ND wants to inch closer to being the best we’ve got to get the best coaches.
 

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Nothing has changed with Rees, regardless of which side you fall on. I am really happy they are likely landing Minchey. But, getting your 6th option at QB doesn't change the conversation much. He is a few days removed from his offense gaining 12 yards in a half of football against freaking Navy.
 

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With regards to Rees the main argument has always just been there are better options out there. If ND wants to inch closer to being the best we’ve got to get the best coaches.

A lot of the “better options” I could find a thread wanting them fired every game day by factions of their respective fan bases. Agree with @Jiggafini19Deux next guy is gonna have new complaints sent his way quickly. And the next and the next.
 

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A lot of the “better options” I could find a thread wanting them fired every game day by factions of their respective fan bases. Agree with @Jiggafini19Deux next guy is gonna have new complaints sent his way quickly. And the next and the next.
True. But still just go get someone with a lot more experience than Rees.
 

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Nothing has changed with Rees, regardless of which side you fall on. I am really happy they are likely landing Minchey. But, getting your 6th option at QB doesn't change the conversation much. He is a few days removed from his offense gaining 12 yards in a half of football against freaking Navy.
True, neither side can declare victory, but it is a good get.
 
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Nothing has changed with Rees, regardless of which side you fall on. I am really happy they are likely landing Minchey. But, getting your 6th option at QB doesn't change the conversation much. He is a few days removed from his offense gaining 12 yards in a half of football against freaking Navy.
Not that it means much, but it seems like some folks have an incredibly odd way of showing it. I mean, in the next breath you make the remark about him being the "6th option." So while you say you're happy, the vibe just feels sorta somewhere else. You're not alone though, and I think I'm picking up what you're putting down ultimately.

The 6th option is a high four star QB they're flipping from an ACC Power Five rival. I don't know what's more convenient, saying Minchey is their 6th option, or how a few people are casually dropping the second half of the Navy game into recruiting related discussions, where again, you're not the only one. The lines with this guy are completely blurred for so many ND fans at this point.

It is probably worth reminding people, again, that the guy who supposedly couldn't recruit and always fucks it up is on the cusp of flipping a high four star QB where they said to likely wind up empty in this class. Somehow, someway, little to no credit is being given and feet are planted firmly. So be it. This had to be done, they had until February to do it and it appears it's in motion to happen. Be that as it may, some folks are popping off on TR regardless of the positive impact this potential and likely signing is going to have on the class and the program moving ahead.

Objectively, there are clearly areas for improvement for Rees in every aspect of his job, but to see how this recent development and the news therein is being met by the contingent of people who have their minds made up that he's the football anti christ is pretty telling. If one truly didn't know any better, they'd just assume ND not sign Minchey so they had that reason to complain.
 
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