'23 FL DE Keon Keeley (Prodigal Son)

du Lac

du Lac

CEO of IE
Messages
1,643
Reaction score
1,064
GATTACA! said:
If we lose Keeley to Bama or OSU I think I’ll go back to not following recruiting.
Click to expand...
I’m getting there too. If MF can’t do it, nobody not named Meyer could ever do it at ND. I’ll just follow the guys we have and watch the games. I’ll likely give it through ‘24.
 
irishff1014

irishff1014

Well-known member
Messages
26,514
Reaction score
9,289
Blazers46 said:
I think HS recruits should not be allowed to verbal anywhere until their Sr year. By the time they first step foot into their SR year they should be able to sign their LOI to play for whoever they want. This “verbal” stuff and “silent” stuff is really dumb if you really think about it. You say you want to play for ND… fine here is a contract.
Click to expand...
CoachB said:
Sounds like he is going as a favor for his cousin and uncle. If my cousin was a fan of a school and I had the chance to take him on a trip of a lifetime, I would too.
Click to expand...

And no NIL deals until you are enrolled at the school.
 
P

PutuporShutup

Banned
Messages
4,824
Reaction score
1,909
du Lac said:
I think the first part of his comment was valid, but I don’t think the db had anything to do with Freeman. If anything, Freeman is why we kept the class intact. That said, I agree that I have 0 faith in Freemans ability to coach. I’ve never seen it. Maybe he will be great. Maybe not. I literally have no idea. I like the hire bc he’s supposed to close the talent gap. If he can’t do that, I don’t like his chances at ND. He gets ‘24 b4 he’s fully judged in recruiting. As of now, it’s a big boost. If he can’t close, it’ll be BK level recruiting. He was not hired to outwit Day, Dabo, Riley. He was hired to recruit at their level. People like to compare MF hire to Day, Dabo, Riley, etc. as first time coaches to justify why he will be elite. However, all of those first time coaches recruit better than ND has in 30 years. They win bc they are elite recruiters or hire elite recruiters.

I do think MF is going to be a better HC than DC. Why? I don’t really know. I hope the ‘24 class will be legendary. Maybe false sense of hope.
Click to expand...
Agree, i love that it seems like Freeman has no ego. I think he is a much better developer of people than X's and O's or Scheme/adjustments. If he can keep adding to the talent of coaches and players we could have something special
 
Irish4life

Irish4life

Well-known member
Messages
2,887
Reaction score
3,674
PutuporShutup said:
one post has content the other is well just garbage

I'm not blaming freeman, all i'm stating is I don't think he will be successful if he can't recruit a good bit better than kelly
Click to expand...
If the absolute worst case, disaster scenario happens (meaning Keeley and Bowen both flip, Ausberry and Minich commit, and ND can't close on a 2nd RB, QB, or 4th WR), this class finishes with 275.51 points......which is a slightly higher score than last years #7 class, which was the highest ND class in a decade. And that's assuming the most pessimistic outcome.
 
9

9_To_Your_Temple_Presto

Member
Messages
32
Reaction score
-30
du Lac said:
That said, if we end up signing CJ, Wingo, Scott, that would pull me back big.
Click to expand...

Wingo is probably just '24's version of Keeley

Beginning to think Kelly finally became resigned to fact ND wasn't going to get these types of guys and just said "F it, I'm golfing. You guys can handle the Micah Bells of the world without me"

And fact MF isn't even closing out guys like Hanifin, J Moore, etc

Outside of maybe Snead and Junior last year and Gray this year I'm not really being blown away here

And him and Rees getting played so hard by Dante Moores camp just speaks to their general lack of experience

Everything thats happened since Okie St's last possession of the first half is giving off strong "in over his head" vibes

Like someone else mentioned, Finkell could sign this class
 
P

PutuporShutup

Banned
Messages
4,824
Reaction score
1,909
TorontoGold said:

2021 COLLEGE FOOTBALL DEFENSIVE FEI RATINGS | Football Outsiders

Rk Team Rec FBS DFEI DDE Rk DTD Rk DVD Rk DFD Rk DBD Rk DTO Rk 1 Georgia 14-1 13-1 1.93 1.42 1 .062 1 .169 1 .562 2 .169 15 .131 33 2
www.footballoutsiders.com www.footballoutsiders.com

ND's defense was 11th per this metric. Cincinnati was 2nd in 2020. He is an elite defensive mind.
Click to expand...
PFF had us at 43 for Defense last year. That matches the eye test much more than 11th. Do people really think we had the 11th best defense in the country. I struggle with that.

I also think it's clear Luke was the mastermind leading the D at Cincy.

I really like freeman as HC and what potential he has there. I did not like him as DC last year. I can go in as much detail as you want around personnel choices, scheme, lack of adjustments, etc. Our D dominated terrible offenses and did bad vs average to good offenses.
 
Irish4life

Irish4life

Well-known member
Messages
2,887
Reaction score
3,674
9_To_Your_Temple_Presto said:
Wingo is probably just '24's version of Keeley

Beginning to think Kelly finally became resigned to fact ND wasn't going to get these types of guys and just said "F it, I'm golfing. You guys can handle the Micah Bells of the world without me"

And fact MF isn't even closing out guys like Hanifin, J Moore, etc

Outside of maybe Snead and Junior last year and Gray this year I'm not really being blown away here

And him and Rees getting played so hard by Dante Moores camp just speaks to their general lack of experience

Everything thats happened since Okie St's last possession of the first half is giving off strong "in over his head" vibes

Like someone else mentioned, Finkell could sign this class
Click to expand...
You ain't slick lmfao
 
P

PutuporShutup

Banned
Messages
4,824
Reaction score
1,909
Irish4life said:
If the absolute worst case, disaster scenario happens (meaning Keeley and Bowen both flip, Ausberry and Minich commit, and ND can't close on a 2nd RB, QB, or 4th WR), this class finishes with 275.51 points......which is a slightly higher score than last years #7 class, which was the highest ND class in a decade. And that's assuming the most pessimistic outcome.
Click to expand...
Sure, but we would have failed to land the game changing DB and DE that was committed, espcially DE. Also we failed 2 years in a row at most important position (QB). If Buchner isn't all that this year, we're in trouble 22-24.

He can't just "barely" recruit better than kelly to go where we need ND to go. There's a huge difference between top 3 recruiting and 6-15
 
P

PutuporShutup

Banned
Messages
4,824
Reaction score
1,909
du Lac said:
I’m getting there too. If MF can’t do it, nobody not named Meyer could ever do it at ND. I’ll just follow the guys we have and watch the games. I’ll likely give it through ‘24.
Click to expand...
IF ND goes 11-1 with a CFP appearance or major bowl win recruiting at ND under freeman will skyrocket even more

10-2 has to be the bar in 2022. ND can build on that.
 
Irish4life

Irish4life

Well-known member
Messages
2,887
Reaction score
3,674
PutuporShutup said:
Sure, but we would have failed to land the game changing DB and DE that was committed, espcially DE. Also we failed 2 years in a row at most important position (QB). If Buchner isn't all that this year, we're in trouble 22-24.

He can't just "barely" recruit better than kelly to go where we need ND to go. There's a huge difference between top 3 recruiting and 6-15
Click to expand...
That's assuming the absolute worst case scenario. Which is not going to happen, IMO. Also how nuts do you gotta be to create a new account to come on here and pretend someone else agrees with you lol
 
I

INLaw

Hardcore chooch
Messages
4,537
Reaction score
4,095
9_To_Your_Temple_Presto said:
Wingo is probably just '24's version of Keeley

Beginning to think Kelly finally became resigned to fact ND wasn't going to get these types of guys and just said "F it, I'm golfing. You guys can handle the Micah Bells of the world without me"

And fact MF isn't even closing out guys like Hanifin, J Moore, etc

Outside of maybe Snead and Junior last year and Gray this year I'm not really being blown away here

And him and Rees getting played so hard by Dante Moores camp just speaks to their general lack of experience

Everything thats happened since Okie St's last possession of the first half is giving off strong "in over his head" vibes

Like someone else mentioned, Finkell could sign this class
Click to expand...
Hate to agree but if we lose Keeley and/or Bowen then I am right there with you.
 
9

9_To_Your_Temple_Presto

Member
Messages
32
Reaction score
-30
Irish4life said:
You ain't slick lmfao
Click to expand...

Why do you guys always get a case of the mads when a new poster shows up?

Its a football message board so doesn't need to have the social structure of a 6th grade lunch table

Should I have waited six months before posting and "liked" some of your posts first or said "Hey fellas, this is my first post, Go Irish!"

Dork
 
Irish#1

Irish#1

Livin' Your Dream!
Staff member
Messages
44,608
Reaction score
20,092
9_To_Your_Temple_Presto said:
Wingo is probably just '24's version of Keeley

Beginning to think Kelly finally became resigned to fact ND wasn't going to get these types of guys and just said "F it, I'm golfing. You guys can handle the Micah Bells of the world without me"

And fact MF isn't even closing out guys like Hanifin, J Moore, etc

Outside of maybe Snead and Junior last year and Gray this year I'm not really being blown away here

And him and Rees getting played so hard by Dante Moores camp just speaks to their general lack of experience

Everything thats happened since Okie St's last possession of the first half is giving off strong "in over his head" vibes

Like someone else mentioned, Finkell could sign this class
Click to expand...
Off to a rousing start I see.
 
Irish4life

Irish4life

Well-known member
Messages
2,887
Reaction score
3,674
9_To_Your_Temple_Presto said:
Why do you guys always get a case of the mads when a new poster shows up?

Its a football message board so doesn't need to have the social structure of a 6th grade lunch table

Should I have waited six months before posting and "liked" some of your posts first or said "Hey fellas, this is my first post, Go Irish!"

Dork
Click to expand...
"Put up or shut up" has a nice ring to it
 
NDPhilly

NDPhilly

Philly Torqued
Messages
16,444
Reaction score
16,737
ND's BCR last year was 82%. If we signed a class of 25 instead of 22 we would have finished with the #5 class.

82% BCR was higher than every team outside of Bama last year. That includes UGA and OSU. Our BCR this year would be 89% even without Bowen and Keeley.

You guys need to relax. At the end of the day, recruiting is in a great place. Only a QB will truly get us over the NC hump.
 
Irish#1

Irish#1

Livin' Your Dream!
Staff member
Messages
44,608
Reaction score
20,092
9_To_Your_Temple_Presto said:
Why do you guys always get a case of the mads when a new poster shows up?

Its a football message board so doesn't need to have the social structure of a 6th grade lunch table

Should I have waited six months before posting and "liked" some of your posts first or said "Hey fellas, this is my first post, Go Irish!"

Dork
Click to expand...
Well, let's examine your post.

And fact MF isn't even closing out guys like Hanifin, J Moore, etc. - Have they committed to anyone?

Outside of maybe Snead and Junior last year and Gray this year I'm not really being blown away here - Sounds like you need to root for Bama.

And him and Rees getting played so hard by Dante Moores camp just speaks to their general lack of experience - Besides Oregon, who didn't get played by him? As long as he learned from it, he'll be fine.

Everything thats happened since Okie St's last possession of the first half is giving off strong "in over his head" vibes - He was juggling a 1,000 balls from the time it was announced until the bowl game. He didn't have time to settle in and get things established the way he wanted. I'm not going to render an opinion on being over is head until he has a chance to get his feet wet. Since your judging him by the OkS game, I assume you think he'll be fine if he opens with a win against OSU?

Like someone else mentioned, Finkell could sign this class - If he's at OSU sure, but if Finkell is at ND I bet he doesn't pull in the talent he would at OSU given he's got NIL money, less admission restrictions and players don't have to take challenging course work. So far he's not killing it at UC.
 
Last edited:
IrishLax

IrishLax

Something Witty
Staff member
Messages
37,545
Reaction score
28,995
9_To_Your_Temple_Presto said:
Why do you guys always get a case of the mads when a new poster shows up?

Its a football message board so doesn't need to have the social structure of a 6th grade lunch table

Should I have waited six months before posting and "liked" some of your posts first or said "Hey fellas, this is my first post, Go Irish!"

Dork
Click to expand...
kombucha-tea-girl-drink.gif
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top