2024 Spring Practice Thread

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I think there's almost a 0 chance that they get a tackle that is a for sure upgrade over what they already have.
Good, experienced tackles have a better market in the NFL than with NIL. The only exception to this would be a Rob Hainsey type who was a good college tackle but not a high ceiling draft pick. There aren’t many of those guys in college football, let alone in the transfer portal
 

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Sorry if it's been discussed....who are the transfers that won't be here in the spring? How does that work? They just not get any spring ball anywhere?
 

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Sorry if it's been discussed....who are the transfers that won't be here in the spring? How does that work? They just not get any spring ball anywhere?
pretty sure Beaux Collins and Rod heard won’t be in till June
 

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Sorry if it's been discussed....who are the transfers that won't be here in the spring? How does that work? They just not get any spring ball anywhere?
I think that’s correct. The guys not here yet are Collins and Heard, I think everyone else should be there
 

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First practice is Thursday.

What are some of the more intriguing storylines? I want to personally see how big of a step up the '23 class takes. We expect big things out of Love, Gray, and Greathouse, but who else will emerge this spring?

Ignoring the obvious storylines, I'm hoping for:

- An increased physicality and aggressiveness from the team. I found the 2023 team to be less than adequate in this department. We held our own against Ohio State, but that was the big knock on them - that they weren't physical. Louisville and Clemson completely whipped us. Even some of the smaller schools, at times, appeared to be more engaged and aggressive (NC State, Duke, Centra Michigan), we just out talented them.

- Taking on the above, I'm hoping Mills and Cross can really elevate their play to becoming an elite, top 1-3 duo in college football. They're close and really good, I just hope they can take that "next step".

- Running backs. We're set here, and I'd imagine we'll be rotating backs. I just hope and wonder if one can separate from the pack and establish himself as the top back. My vote is on Love, but I know a lot here love JDP, and rightfully so. I just think Love is a generational talent.
 

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Ignoring the obvious storylines, I'm hoping for:

- An increased physicality and aggressiveness from the team. I found the 2023 team to be less than adequate in this department. We held our own against Ohio State, but that was the big knock on them - that they weren't physical. Louisville and Clemson completely whipped us. Even some of the smaller schools, at times, appeared to be more engaged and aggressive (NC State, Duke, Centra Michigan), we just out talented them.

- Taking on the above, I'm hoping Mills and Cross can really elevate their play to becoming an elite, top 1-3 duo in college football. They're close and really good, I just hope they can take that "next step".

- Running backs. We're set here, and I'd imagine we'll be rotating backs. I just hope and wonder if one can separate from the pack and establish himself as the top back. My vote is on Love, but I know a lot here love JDP, and rightfully so. I just think Love is a generational talent.
Completely agree on the physicality/aggressiveness comment. I think it was most apparent with our Oline, second would be our LBs.

Jagusah/Craig/Billy are 3 very physical linemen.
 

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Completely agree on the physicality/aggressiveness comment. I think it was most apparent with our Oline, second would be our LBs.

Jagusah/Craig/Billy are 3 very physical linemen.
That's another one. I'd love to see what Bowen and Ausberry can do. Gotta get that raw talent, size and speed on the field.
 

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That's another one. I'd love to see what Bowen and Ausberry can do. Gotta get that raw talent, size and speed on the field.
Sorry if already discussed: What's Bowen's availability this spring with Baseball ongoing?
 

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Sorry if already discussed: What's Bowen's availability this spring with Baseball ongoing?
I had heard somewhere that football would take precedence over baseball for him, so if there was a conflict where both sports had an activity at the same time (including a game), he would go to football.
 

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Not sure about Bowen, but for Faison, I read (will seek where, but currently escapes me) that he will be more involved in situational prep for football, but will miss a lot of the more technical drilling.
 

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Considering they are both on a football scholarship, football should take precedence.
It does, but a lot of times coaches will allow them to participate in the spring sport games (it's sometimes how they got them to ND).

I would imagine (don't know for sure) that freeman would allow them to participate in a game if it conflicts with spring practice
 

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Add Faison. Typically in these situations they make a portion of the spring practices on days they don't have a game/traveling for game

I'm not really worried about Faison missing time. WR is a position if you know the playbook, route tree, audibles and such, you should be able to go out there and play (assuming he's still working out on the side with the QBs and jug machines).
 

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I'm not really worried about Faison missing time. WR is a position if you know the playbook, route tree, audibles and such, you should be able to go out there and play (assuming he's still working out on the side with the QBs and jug machines).
I agree that Bowen needs the practice more, he's also not really even playing. I think he pinch runs occasionally.
 

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I don't think a lack of physicality and aggressiveness was the issue at all. They were plenty physical.

But when you can't threaten your opponent vertically at all, then it doesn't really matter how physical you are, because the defense can just beat you with numbers.

Think back to 2017. I don't think anybody can question the physicality and aggressiveness of guys like Nelson, McGlinchey and Hainsey. They were big, physical and mean dudes. But because ND couldn't threaten teams with any semblance of a passing game, eventually, teams adjusted. Defenses were able to just pin their ears back, attack the line of scrimmage with little regard for Wimbush beating them vertically, and it worked, because Wimbush couldn't beat them vertically.

Same thing in 2023. Hartman was a better thrower, but the weapons at receiver were practically non-existent, especially for games like Duke, Louisville and Clemson. The OL wasn't great last year, but it wasn't for a lack of physicality or aggressiveness. I'd say size was more the issue inside with guys like Correll and Coogan, but Craig and Schrauth came in and improved that drastically, all while bringing some added nastiness.

As for the defense, this was definitely not an issue. They constantly played with aggressiveness and kept ND in a lot of games when the offense sputtered. But they can only do that for so long. We saw that in the Louisville and Clemson game. A defense running on fumes, while the offense continuously puts them in bad spot after bad spot.

The big issue is that ND needs to find some semblance of a vertical passing game to take the load off of the run game, and more importantly, the defense. We can't be in a situation where the defense has to carry the team for 4-5 straight weeks, while the offense does nothing.
 

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Same thing in 2023. Hartman was a better thrower, but the weapons at receiver were practically non-existent, especially for games like Duke, Louisville and Clemson. The OL wasn't great last year, but it wasn't for a lack of physicality or aggressiveness. I'd say size was more the issue inside with guys like Correll and Coogan, but Craig and Schrauth came in and improved that drastically, all while bringing some added nastiness.
I don't think we should forget what happened in the Louisville game last year. The OL was by far the biggest issue - 81yds rushing, 3.7 YPC, 6 sacks, 8 QB hurries. At the time, it certainly looked like physicality was an issue, but you might be right that that might not have actually been the reason. Alt said as much after the game. He chalked up the problem to a "confidence" issue and hinted at a lack of chemistry being a prime reason. This was the game Parker and Rudolph decided to rotate guys in at G and C. That was a terrible idea.

I point this out because there were some things that were somewhat consistent last year like, as you point out, a lack of WR weapons, but one of the other big problems with the team was inconsistency in overall play itself including inconsistency at OL.
 

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Generally agree but Michigan also had a first round draft pick QB, explosive athletes at receiver, and several underclassmen starters/major contributors too. Had 18 combine invitees, which broke the all time record.
Totally agree, but I think coaching is the reason for that. Not recruiting.
 

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I think you guys are significantly downplaying the fact Michigan has had a really really really good HC on this past little run of theirs who has been demonstrably successful wherever he's been at

I don't think anyone expects Mich to have the same success going forward without Harbaugh

Not quite sure what was going on with him during 2017 - 2020 but he otherwise turned them around really quickly initially and then obviously finished very strong the last three years there

I agree ND has good coordinators--although one could argue Mich combo was still stronger over past few yrs--but no shade to Freeman that he's not even in same stratosphere as Harbaugh which granted wouldn't be unexpected given where each is respectively in their current career archs

I just don't think its quite that simplistic because theres still a huge gap at HC
Not underestimating that at all. In fact, that was my entire point. Good coaching.
 

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But when you can't threaten your opponent vertically at all, then it doesn't really matter how physical you are, because the defense can just beat you with numbers.
Agree, the WR corp last year was putrid especially during that mid-season stretch when Thomas and Greathouse were dinged up and before Faison came on

Pretty much totally hamstringed the entire offense in the middle of the season

As for the defense, this was definitely not an issue. They constantly played with aggressiveness and kept ND in a lot of games when the offense sputtered.
Yeah aggressiveness/physicality definitely wasn't an issue on D

The guy above saying out LBs last year weren't physical or aggressive enough had me LOL'ing

Say what you want about Marist but physical and aggressive play was definitely not an issue

And Bertrand had a really good season last year and was exceptional with his pressure opportunities
 

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Defense overall was aggressive but a lot of soft tackling. LBers were absorbing hits and delicately bringing the backs down. It would be really nice to see the LBers thumping backs and driving through them.
 

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Considering they are both on a football scholarship, football should take precedence.
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Defense overall was aggressive but a lot of soft tackling. LBers were absorbing hits and delicately bringing the backs down. It would be really nice to see the LBers thumping backs and driving through them.
They have got to find a balance of technique and aggression. Marist flew all over the field, threw his body all over the place....with thumping intent....and missed tackles all over the place. Bertrand might not have been sexy, but he made the play. I love the blow up hits as much as anyone else....but not when its all or nothing.

Play with speed, play with intent, play with intensity, and do not miss the tackle.
 
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