2024-2025 Notre Dame Women's Basketball

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I never thought I could be consistently amazed by a player but Hannah does that every game. And it’s crazy to say that because Olivia is overshadowed by Hannah but is pretty close to equally amazing on offense.

The one negative was Emma risch for me. She was not good on defense and I understand why she hasn’t played in the tougher games. She was consistently getting beat. She needs to step up.
 

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It would appear that its merely "load maintenance" with Citron and Koval vs an outmanned opponent. Be nice if they said so or if someone in the media would find out.
 

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I read somewhere a hint that Soni was resting a foot injury. Not a catastrophic thing, but perhaps (this time) JUST a "load management"/ be smart decision by the staff.
 

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What’s up with our recruiting we have only one girl commited coming in next year? Don’t we lose a lot
 

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Hildago is on pace for serious consideration for POY.
 

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I read somewhere a hint that Soni was resting a foot injury. Not a catastrophic thing, but perhaps (this time) JUST a "load management"/ be smart decision by the staff.
media reporting today that Soni and Koval could have played today but just resting them like you said about Soni. the ACC is going to be tough so no need to play them in a game you know you are going to win against a way lesser team as we'll need them fully healthy for conference season
 

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Treat for me today as I got to watch the girls play whole game vs an ACC opponent (VA).

It was an impressive outshinin' and outdoin' in every sense.

Hannah and Soni had 53 combined. Olivia had a triple double. King had 12 rebounds. We pretty good.

Karlen started at center. 6 rebounds and 4 assists (maybe no turnovers.) That doesn't tell all, though. She adds a subtle non-stat-sheet professionally-competent presence to the whole system. Great defensive help and hustle. Plus I believe she's "inspiring" Koval to hype up her activity. There were a lot of blocks and harassments today. NOW, having said that: Virginia does not have any effective post presence despite the commentators thinking that a young player named Lattimore should be such. That player is slightly built and erratic. When we confront a real post presence, we'll see if Karlen is equally effective. Seems like a very good player though. Love the effort and smoothness.

Possibly a best thing: I might have seen two coaching positives here. 1.) there was an in-game change of defensive structure which seemed super effective --- we went on a 20+point run; and 2). I saw the take-the-stars-out-two minutes-early trick between the third and fourth quarters (for the longer rest.) Ivey won her 100th game, so congratulations.
 

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Girls playing now vs good UNC team. Hannah and Olivia outscored them in first half, but still a game.

Westbeld has subbed in twice. Not yet ready to play at this speed. But optimistic.

Most common phrase heard from announcers: "Rebound by King." :)
 

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Girls playing now vs good UNC team. Hannah and Olivia outscored them in first half, but still a game.

Westbeld has subbed in twice. Not yet ready to play at this speed. But optimistic.

Most common phrase heard from announcers: "Rebound by King." :)
Wow, that's amazing news regarding Westbeld!
 

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Solid win by the ladies. D kept UNC at bay. Never go closer than eight.
 

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We win by almost the exact margin we led at halftime. Game's a classic where the home losing team works its butt off to try to close, but the winning team (us) seems to have a hard stiff-arm in their face which keeps the score where it was the whole way home. That is one of the marks of a hard to beat team.

We are doing this by having an amazing amount of ball-handling on the court at all times (two point guards plus Soni.) We DID turn the ball over way too much (UNC is good at that) but our talent is also proud enough put stops to that whenever it's important. When Westbeld gets her head back up to speed (WAY to head-slow yet in her first game back, and vs a very good harassing hustling team) we will have another unusual ball handler at a big position.

UNC is a very good defensive team with lots of hustlers and proud players. Only one other team has scored 70+ on them (Georgia Tech.) This was sort of early, and I believe that they hadn't realized how valuable their hustle glue player (odd name like Ustpey) was nor their freshman glue player Grant. Both these players have added hustle and toughness to their team, and that makes our performance that much more impressive to me.

Hannah and Olivia killed them buckets-wise. Miles was goofy-hot and I wouldn't rely on that every game. Liatu did her lunchbox thing --- she's almost the MVP unsung. Karlen was good and so was Prosper. Soni almost never shot the ball, but she dogged the UNC danger girl (named something like Oparski) and that hurt them. Koval had her moments where she looked like she might figure out her offense.

I think that one of the announcers didn't want us to win, and the subtle undertone was disappointing; but that's another thing Hannah does: even if you dislike Notre Dame, you cannot dislike Hannah, so you find yourself praising the team anyway. (Hannah made another unplanned circus shot again today which she could be seen "apologizing" for since it was so ridiculous.)
 

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At one point in the 4th qtr. they were 13-17 on 3's. Hannah & Olivia are a dynamic duo, Karlen & Prosper played well off the bench, and with Westbeld returning this just adds another weapon to the team. They played impressive today.
 

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I know it's not the Sport-of-choice at the moment, but we do have another championship contender playing, so I thought I'd give an update.

The girls won an away game at Clemson, and did so without Hannah. She is stated to be resting a mild ankle turn. Ivey sounded like (without saying it) that they could win this one without her so she was given extra rest.

The No-Hannah Effect had two consequences: 1.) we scored WAY less points than usual and this gave the somewhat faulty impression that this was closer than the score showed. (One could legitimately take away at least five Clemson points on wildly off-target bank shots and get a little better actual score.) Still, Clemson's guards are pesky good, and they gave us a game.

Consequence number two was that our second All-American --- nope, not Olivia and not Soni (although both are in most definitions) --- Liatu King just went off. She killed Clemson both on the boards and stunningly accurate mid-range jump shooting. I've seen no team really cope with her, but you watch Hannah and Olivia so much that you don't notice enough. Well, today they noticed.

Clemson has a bunch of good guards but are just too small. Soni couldn't guard all of them, so occasionally one would get hot. Their main gunner however was held to 6-for-20 shooting (and generally thank Soni.) Prosper really took advantage and was flying all over the court and blocking shots --- Koval blocked some too. We had EIGHT. Miles was fine in all regards. Westbeld played over half the game. Looks to be improving, but I think we'll suffer defensively when both she and Miles are on the floor.

Bottomline: We're very good, but we need Hannah to be Awesome Good.
 

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I know it's not the Sport-of-choice at the moment, but we do have another championship contender playing, so I thought I'd give an update.

The girls won an away game at Clemson, and did so without Hannah. She is stated to be resting a mild ankle turn. Ivey sounded like (without saying it) that they could win this one without her so she was given extra rest.

The No-Hannah Effect had two consequences: 1.) we scored WAY less points than usual and this gave the somewhat faulty impression that this was closer than the score showed. (One could legitimately take away at least five Clemson points on wildly off-target bank shots and get a little better actual score.) Still, Clemson's guards are pesky good, and they gave us a game.

Consequence number two was that our second All-American --- nope, not Olivia and not Soni (although both are in most definitions) --- Liatu King just went off. She killed Clemson both on the boards and stunningly accurate mid-range jump shooting. I've seen no team really cope with her, but you watch Hannah and Olivia so much that you don't notice enough. Well, today they noticed.

Clemson has a bunch of good guards but are just too small. Soni couldn't guard all of them, so occasionally one would get hot. Their main gunner however was held to 6-for-20 shooting (and generally thank Soni.) Prosper really took advantage and was flying all over the court and blocking shots --- Koval blocked some too. We had EIGHT. Miles was fine in all regards. Westbeld played over half the game. Looks to be improving, but I think we'll suffer defensively when both she and Miles are on the floor.

Bottomline: We're very good, but we need Hannah to be Awesome Good.
Thanks for sharing...Couldn't watch it, and surprised it was that close.
 

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I know it's not the Sport-of-choice at the moment, but we do have another championship contender playing, so I thought I'd give an update.

The girls won an away game at Clemson, and did so without Hannah. She is stated to be resting a mild ankle turn. Ivey sounded like (without saying it) that they could win this one without her so she was given extra rest.

The No-Hannah Effect had two consequences: 1.) we scored WAY less points than usual and this gave the somewhat faulty impression that this was closer than the score showed. (One could legitimately take away at least five Clemson points on wildly off-target bank shots and get a little better actual score.) Still, Clemson's guards are pesky good, and they gave us a game.

Consequence number two was that our second All-American --- nope, not Olivia and not Soni (although both are in most definitions) --- Liatu King just went off. She killed Clemson both on the boards and stunningly accurate mid-range jump shooting. I've seen no team really cope with her, but you watch Hannah and Olivia so much that you don't notice enough. Well, today they noticed.

Clemson has a bunch of good guards but are just too small. Soni couldn't guard all of them, so occasionally one would get hot. Their main gunner however was held to 6-for-20 shooting (and generally thank Soni.) Prosper really took advantage and was flying all over the court and blocking shots --- Koval blocked some too. We had EIGHT. Miles was fine in all regards. Westbeld played over half the game. Looks to be improving, but I think we'll suffer defensively when both she and Miles are on the floor.

Bottomline: We're very good, but we need Hannah to be Awesome Good.
thanks for the good post game was on cw and i don't get it on youtube tv so couldn't watch the game
 

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It was a grind of a game. My biggest surprise was how little Karlen played. She must not be 100% yet? I get Maddy and King are better, but her minutes are too low as far as I am concerned.
 

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I wish I knew that Hannah wasn’t playing before taking ND to cover 😂
 

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It was a grind of a game. My biggest surprise was how little Karlen played. She must not be 100% yet? I get Maddy and King are better, but her minutes are too low as far as I am concerned.
No she started and was terrible. Westbeld and Koval are getting her minutes because they play better. We haven’t seen much of the player who was all conference at Marquette.
She is slow and can’t jump so maybe it is the injury. But that was in November.
Risch is also hurt again. But we’re deep enough at guard to get by. Miles, Citron and Hannah are good for 35+ minutes a game if needed
 

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I'll be wrong about this, but here's how I see Karlen: She actually IS a good player, but she needs a couple of things that she isn't getting and might not get much all season.

1.) Playing time. She looks to me like someone who develops into the game as it goes. BUT, with three three AA guards (positions she doesn't play anyway) and the AA wild woman King, four positions are locked. That leaves just the "big." Well, Ivey knows what Westbeld can do if she gets it back together, and Koval is uniquely "big" on the team vs certain types of opponents. They are going to get minutes. Also, Cassandra is starting to strut her stuff, and that won't always be at one of the guard slots, but at King's position. I imagine that Ivey will see the value of occasionally going "small ball" with the guards plus King and Prosper as a defensive shock change-up. ALL of those things steal time from Karlen, who, as I said, needs significant minutes to get her game on;

2.) Shots. Some people have the ball and make their own opportunities, and some depend upon the ball-handlers and the schemes. I don't think either of these things on Notre Dame favors Karlen. We're deadliest when we're essentially clearing or somehow making space for Hidalgo or Miles to slash into the defense and shoot or dish. Sure we pick and roll, but our heart still seems oriented to Hannah or Olivia doing something themselves off it. By the way, Soni is also dependent upon getting scheme set-ups as well, and you can see games where that just doesn't happen for her and she doesn't get many shots. The unusual double-dynamic guard situation that we have really leans into the non-scheme issues of letting Hannah and Olivia "do their stuff." King still feasts because she cleans up their messes.
 

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It'd be nice to get her some minutes against the inferior opponents and give some starters more rest.
 

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Irish up by 3 at the half over #17 GT without Hannah again. They could be up by a lot more if they weren't turning the ball over so much.
 

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Irish win by 15 by limiting the turnovers in the second half.

Soni was an absolute force. More often than not this year, Soni hasn’t had to create her own shot due to Hannah and Olivia. Not the case tonight. She created her opportunities. When there’s an injury coach always says “we need a little bit more tonight”. Soni did that and thensome.

Maddy looked like her old self. And not a moment too soon.

Cass is looking amazing. She’s had a great two games.

I got to think the starting 5 will be Westbeld, King, Soni, Hannah and Olivia.

This team is special.
 
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