2022 - State of the Recruiting Class thread

[SBirishlawyer]

Kentucky

 

[Irish#1]

Trolls will be trolls

Glass half empty kind of guy.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Glass half empty kind of guy.

I guess I kind of an to a degree. ND Philly simply asked if last weekend was a dud because of the lack of positive news from guys in the 2022 class. I simply agreed that there hasn't been much..

He is correct, we didn't make a move for anybody in that class. Is that trolling? Is that schtick? I don't think so.but naybe it's glass half empty. You have all of your big targets left to visit and you hope to move the needle.. I don't think we did. We seem to have started trending up with Schrauth before that weekend. That's good but people have literally had commit articles ready to go for over a year now and he just won't commit.

 

[Dale]

I guess I kind of an to a degree. ND Philly simply asked if last weekend was a dud because of the lack of positive news from guys in the 2022 class. I simply agreed that there hasn't been much..

He is correct, we didn't make a move for anybody in that class. Is that trolling? Is that schtick? I don't think so.but naybe it's glass half empty. You have all of your big targets left to visit and you hope to move the needle.. I don't think we did. We seem to have started trending up with Schrauth before that weekend. That's good but people have literally had commit articles ready to go for over a year now and he just won't commit.

Schrauth is probably the second biggest target and you’re dismissing the positive news regarding him. That’s how you get pegged a troll. You’re saying the weekend is about moving the needle with your big targets and then ah yeah but Schrauth doesn’t count so it was dead. I’d say Schrauth and Nwankpa are the 2 big targets.

I’m going to post more than I should to prove the point:

”The visit couldn’t have gone better from everything I’m told…..Leading up to the visit, Wisconsin felt he was in the bag and they expected his commitment. Now they are not so sure.”

- Loy

 

[NDPhilly]

The way I see big recruiting weekends is that if you didn't gain ground for a guy, than you probably lost it. Good to here we may have sealed the deal with Schrauth.

The 2022 class is a huge success, especially with Schrauth. I'd be damn happy if we could stack the same quality classes in a row, which is looks like we are more than on track for in 2023.

 

[stpeteirish]

Singer has a free story up re Tarabucci. Going on all 5 visits, then decide. Usual nice things to say about nd but certainly doesn't sound like we're in the lead for him. Still visiting USC, Ohio St and Oergon.

 

[BobbyMac]

Singer has a free story up re Tarabucci. Going on all 5 visits, then decide. Usual nice things to say about nd but certainly doesn't sound like we're in the lead for him. Still visiting USC, Ohio St and Oergon.

I doubt he has a green light. I talked to a industry guy out west and they think he'd be Irish if given the chance.

Sounds like an athletic, high floor, #85 guy who brings big time positional flexibility to the table. He's the guy we would've killed for in late in '17.

But you have to watch going for the last minute stocking stuffers now a days. The portal gets better each year and a GT at a position of need is a huge card to be able to play. If ND loses KHam and Foskey, you might find the right 5th year guy to replace them.

 

[NDIrish88]

I doubt he has a green light. I talked to a industry guy out west and they think he'd be Irish if given the chance.

Sounds like an athletic, high floor, #85 guy who brings big time positional flexibility to the table. He's the guy we would've killed for in late in '17.

But you have to watch going for the last minute stocking stuffers now a days. The portal gets better each year and a GT at a position of need is a huge card to be able to play. If ND loses KHam and Foskey, you might find the right 5th year guy to replace them.

Also said they they are recruiting him on Offense at a move TE. Maybe the portal would be better . . . .

 

[NDPhilly]

Wish Tabarraci had some LB tape. Athletic kid but unsure if he's worth a scholarship in a Tremble like role.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Schrauth is probably the second biggest target and you’re dismissing the positive news regarding him. That’s how you get pegged a troll. You’re saying the weekend is about moving the needle with your big targets and then ah yeah but Schrauth doesn’t count so it was dead. I’d say Schrauth and Nwankpa are the 2 big targets.

I’m going to post more than I should to prove the point:

”The visit couldn’t have gone better from everything I’m told…..Leading up to the visit, Wisconsin felt he was in the bag and they expected his commitment. Now they are not so sure.”

- Loy

Its not that Schrauth doesn't count but that it's nothing that we didn't already know before. Crystal balls were changing before he even visited.

You're right, he is high up there and I would be thrilled to get him. Wisconsin putting it together recently isn't ideal.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Any intriguing late bloomers on OL, specifically OT? Or any at WR/DB?

 

[deise mike]

Am I correct?

Nwankpa - doubtful
Kanu - doubtful
Lucas - doubtful

Shrauth -possible

Where else do we go? How many more spots? What positions do we target? Do we leave them for transfers e.g.safety, CARS?

 

[deise mike]

CBs........autocorrect.

 

[Luckylucci]

Breaking: Notre Dame moves to No. 3 class with four-star OT Aamil Wagner (247sports.com)

 

[NDPhilly]

Forgot how good (on paper) our 2013 class was coming off the magical 2012 season. Explains why our 2015 team was so good.

A Schrauth commitment will pretty much put us equal with the 2013 class for best of the Kelly era.

 

[Irish du Nord]

Pretty pretty pretty good

 

[Dale]

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/petesampson_/status/1458951791471697920?s=21[/TWEET]

Really pathetic eventually Rees is gonna have to pull his weight and give an ounce of what Freeman does.


Wait…..

 

[Irish2155]

How is that ever so important QB position coming along?

 

[Nanny36]

you can't always base the result in statistics

 

[ryno 24]

umm.. that Wagner commit is shocking and awesome. Huge upside prospect that could be a first round draft pick.

 

[fightingirish26]

How is that ever so important QB position coming along?

This is a relevant point, and I'll borrow a page from Dale and bring up BCR.

This season, ND has a 55% blue chip ratio. The last ten national champions in order of BCR:

1. 2020 Alabama - 83%
2. 2017 Alabama - 80%
3. 2015 Alabama - 77%
T4. 2012 Alabama - 71%
T4. 2011 Alabama - 71%
6. 2014 Ohio State - 68%
7. 2019 LSU - 64%
8. 2018 Clemson - 61%
9. 2013 Florida State - 53%
10. 2016 Clemson - 52%

So, ND has a better ratio than those bottom two, which had Winston and Watson at QB. Big difference, huh? The teams in the low to mid 60's had transcendental QBs as well in Burrow and Lawrence, and 2014 OSU had some magic going at QB down the stretch.

This ND class has a current BCR of about 77%. Holy cow! That is the territory you need to be to win without a generational QB. The 2023 class is also off to a great start with 6/6 blue chippers. However, 2021 was 44%.

Now, can we sustain this recruiting over several classes to get the whole roster to above 70%? To be determined, but my sense is that we'll have to take another step forward in order to do so. I mean, Clemson is still below 70%. So, I think that while our recruiting is at a fantastic level right now, the next step is still to hit on a QB. It starts and ends there.

 

[Trait Expectations]

This is a relevant point, and I'll borrow a page from Dale and bring up BCR.

This season, ND has a 55% blue chip ratio. The last ten national champions in order of BCR:

1. 2020 Alabama - 83%
2. 2017 Alabama - 80%
3. 2015 Alabama - 77%
T4. 2012 Alabama - 71%
T4. 2011 Alabama - 71%
6. 2014 Ohio State - 68%
7. 2019 LSU - 64%
8. 2018 Clemson - 61%
9. 2013 Florida State - 53%
10. 2016 Clemson - 52%

So, ND has a better ratio than those bottom two, which had Winston and Watson at QB. Big difference, huh? The teams in the low to mid 60's had transcendental QBs as well in Burrow and Lawrence, and 2014 OSU had some magic going at QB down the stretch.

This ND class has a current BCR of about 77%. Holy cow! That is the territory you need to be to win without a generational QB. The 2023 class is also off to a great start with 6/6 blue chippers. However, 2021 was 44%.

Now, can we sustain this recruiting over several classes to get the whole roster to above 70%? To be determined, but my sense is that we'll have to take another step forward in order to do so. I mean, Clemson is still below 70%. So, I think that while our recruiting is at a fantastic level right now, the next step is still to hit on a QB. It starts and ends there.

If 2021 was only 44% BCR, methinks we hit on a number of non-BC players. Our OL from 2021 is absolutely stacked. Early returns on every offensive skill position are also pointing up strongly.

Defensive is more of an unknown so time will tell. If you aren't going to sign amongst the highest BCR continuously, then you must be above average at identifying players who are undervalued. Kelly and his staff have made a killing at that judging by our recent draft classes and recruiting class rankings. We usually fall behind Alabama and tOSU/Georgia in terms of drafted players and rounds.

With a step up (or two) in recruiting class rankings, we might be hitting the stride where we legitimately challenge for a title over the next 4-5 years.

 

[Irish2155]

This is a relevant point, and I'll borrow a page from Dale and bring up BCR.

This season, ND has a 55% blue chip ratio. The last ten national champions in order of BCR:

1. 2020 Alabama - 83%
2. 2017 Alabama - 80%
3. 2015 Alabama - 77%
T4. 2012 Alabama - 71%
T4. 2011 Alabama - 71%
6. 2014 Ohio State - 68%
7. 2019 LSU - 64%
8. 2018 Clemson - 61%
9. 2013 Florida State - 53%
10. 2016 Clemson - 52%

So, ND has a better ratio than those bottom two, which had Winston and Watson at QB. Big difference, huh? The teams in the low to mid 60's had transcendental QBs as well in Burrow and Lawrence, and 2014 OSU had some magic going at QB down the stretch.

This ND class has a current BCR of about 77%. Holy cow! That is the territory you need to be to win without a generational QB. The 2023 class is also off to a great start with 6/6 blue chippers. However, 2021 was 44%.

Now, can we sustain this recruiting over several classes to get the whole roster to above 70%? To be determined, but my sense is that we'll have to take another step forward in order to do so. I mean, Clemson is still below 70%. So, I think that while our recruiting is at a fantastic level right now, the next step is still to hit on a QB. It starts and ends there.

Thank you, sir. You’ve answered along with expanding my point exactly. Makes a ton of sense. It all sounds good and fun until we realize we don’t have a QB.

 

[Dale]

Perusing On3 since it’s a $1/year at the moment and is gonna be Singer moving forward. Their “On3 Consensus” differs slightly to the 247 Composite. 247 weighting is unknown between the 3 (I assume eventually 4 sites). On3 includes of course their own and is 25% weightings. On team rankings, it uses simply a rolling average to rank, 247 uses a bell curve. So at the moment it is using a Top 15 average commit rank. Some notable differences though in the class:

- Go from 3rd to 6th in Team Ranking
- ND has only 1 3 star commit on On3 Consensus with Hinish.
- Tanona is a borderline 5 star for On3, taking his Consensus way up to #115
- Only ones paying attention to Devin Moore, making him #111 overall.

Usually only create profile threads in the summer but On3 Consensus is likely more accurate if you value the well consensus part. 247 Composite is basically 247s rank with a bit of input from ESPN/Rivals

 

[ThePiombino]

Perusing On3 since it’s a $1/year at the moment and is gonna be Singer moving forward. Their “On3 Consensus” differs slightly to the 247 Composite. 247 weighting is unknown between the 3 (I assume eventually 4 sites). On3 includes of course their own and is 25% weightings. On team rankings, it uses simply a rolling average to rank, 247 uses a bell curve. So at the moment it is using a Top 15 average commit rank. Some notable differences though in the class:

- Go from 3rd to 6th in Team Ranking
- ND has only 1 3 star commit on On3 Consensus with Hinish.
- Tanona is a borderline 5 star for On3, taking his Consensus way up to #115
- Only ones paying attention to Devin Moore, making him #111 overall.

Usually only create profile threads in the summer but On3 Consensus is likely more accurate if you value the well consensus part. 247 Composite is basically 247s rank with a bit of input from ESPN/Rivals

$1/yr you say? Hmmm....

 

[Dale]

Yeah $1/year if you sign up this week but ND coverage won’t start till January. So $1/10.5 months

 

[Irishnuke]

Sounds like we need to be in the market for some more WRs

 

[Luckylucci]

With Mullen out at UF, Texas 4 star QB, Nick Evers is a name might become a popular flip candidate. Loy’s been mentioning him at II.

 

[NDIrish88]

With Mullen out at UF, Texas 4 star QB, Nick Evers name might become a popular flip candidate. Loy’s been mentioning him at II.

Chandler Smith would be a huge get too IMO.

 

[Luckylucci]

I haven’t followed that in awhile, if track is a factor that would still seem unlikely.

Loy did also mention GA WR Isaiah Bond who camped at ND a couple years back.