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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In a statement, former Navy Lt. Tony Bobulinski says Hunter Biden regularly sought Joe Biden’s approval of foreign business deals. Hunter “frequently referenced asking [Joe] for his sign-off or advice on various potential deals that we were discussing,” Bobulinski says. <a href="https://t.co/Cg5DdRuxdC">pic.twitter.com/Cg5DdRuxdC</a></p>— Sean Davis (@seanmdav) <a href="https://twitter.com/seanmdav/status/1319264716636753920?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 22, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 

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I see Biden is going with the "America was never great" (taking his words in the most negative light) strategy. Seems like an easy dunk for Donald to show American troops at Normandy, Neil Armstrong on the Moon, Miracle on Ice, Jesse Owen's at the Olympics, Reagan at the Berlin Wall, Hell even show G Dubs throwing the most beautiful first pitch in American history at the 2001 World Series.

The whole beauty of the MAGA mentality is it suggests we've lost our way and we can get back to it. Biden saying we've never lived up to the American Ideal or whatever seems like a prime opportunity to basically go "America, fuck yeah!" on his geriatric ass.

People would rather be told we've done it before and we'll do it again rather than "lets tell our kids we suck and we'll try to do better." What a lame and Low T/Beta mentality lol. Time to go Apollo Creed "living in America" energy on this clown. Donald is good at bringing that energy too so thats a bonus.

Sidenote: a staggering number of young people have no idea about the Miracle on Ice. When I was in middle/high school we watched that movie like once a year when a teacher was out sick or something. So badass. Ralph Cox got robbed btw.

Probably cause they grew up with the Salt Lake City game instead ;)
 

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I see Biden is going with the "America was never great" (taking his words in the most negative light) strategy. Seems like an easy dunk for Donald to show American troops at Normandy, Neil Armstrong on the Moon, Miracle on Ice, Jesse Owen's at the Olympics, Reagan at the Berlin Wall, Hell even show G Dubs throwing the most beautiful first pitch in American history at the 2001 World Series.

The whole beauty of the MAGA mentality is it suggests we've lost our way and we can get back to it. Biden saying we've never lived up to the American Ideal or whatever seems like a prime opportunity to basically go "America, fuck yeah!" on his geriatric ass.

People would rather be told we've done it before and we'll do it again rather than "lets tell our kids we suck and we'll try to do better." What a lame and Low T/Beta mentality lol. Time to go Apollo Creed "living in America" energy on this clown. Donald is good at bringing that energy too so thats a bonus.

Sidenote: a staggering number of young people have no idea about the Miracle on Ice. When I was in middle/high school we watched that movie like once a year when a teacher was out sick or something. So badass. Ralph Cox got robbed btw.

The only thing leftists hate more than America is minority Americans who vote Republican.
 

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Available at WalMart and elsewhere. Guns before Country?

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Then there's this:
How Latter-day Saints fed up with Trump could help lift Biden in Arizona (Salt Lake Tribune)

Tucson, Ariz. •
For the better part of a century, members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints have made their political home under the Republican Party’s tent, motivated by conservative beliefs rooted in the family values, personal liberty and economic frugality of their faith.

But some church members now find themselves in a political quandary: They’re still Republicans, but they no longer fit in with the party as exemplified by President Donald Trump, who for them represents a hard departure from the church’s teachings on sex, crude language, empathy and humility. (cont)
 

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Bobulinski didn't kill himself.

Biden corruption evidence is mounting further. Lib media is shoving head further into the closet.
 

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And now Joe Biden's testimony using the N-word twice on the Senate floor is blowing up on social media. Supporters are saying he was using someone else's words in context. If that matters or not is for the voters to decide? I was always told that was a word you just never said regardless of the context.
 

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Uhhh Biden is getting fucking clowned right now...this version of Donald Trump is focused and on topic holy shit
 

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Uhhh Biden is getting fucking clowned right now...this version of Donald Trump is focused and on topic holy shit

Did that debate really sway any voters though? Both candidates made accusations & they both denied them as untrue. IMO, Trump’s best argument was that Biden has been in DC for 47 years (incl 8 yrs in the Executive Branch) and hasn’t done a damn thing that was good for America. Biden’s best argument (again IMO) was his closing statement...much more positive & uniting.

Moderator did a much better job than Chris Wallace. It’s like herding cats.
 

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Did that debate really sway any voters though? Both candidates made accusations & they both denied them as untrue. IMO, Trump’s best argument was that Biden has been in DC for 47 years (incl 8 yrs in the Executive Branch) and hasn’t done a damn thing that was good for America. Biden’s best argument (again IMO) was his closing statement...much more positive & uniting.

Moderator did a much better job than Chris Wallace. It’s like herding cats.

I lost it at "Who built the cages, Joe?"

Idk if it will sway anyone but Donald had his best debate performance tonight.
 

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The moderator performed better than expected.

I liked this Trump better than "first debate Trump".

Joe was mushy mouthed a lot. Glad Trump let him talk lol.

This will not change most voter's opinions.
 

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He asked for it.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As per your request, Joe... <a href="https://t.co/78mzcfLEsF">https://t.co/78mzcfLEsF</a> <a href="https://t.co/AalVkSfHFi">pic.twitter.com/AalVkSfHFi</a></p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1319491234042269696?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 23, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 

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Available at WalMart and elsewhere. Guns before Country?

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Then there's this:
How Latter-day Saints fed up with Trump could help lift Biden in Arizona (Salt Lake Tribune)

Tucson, Ariz. •

Most of us probably understood the juxtaposition of the words God, Country, Trump on the sign with the article on how many Mormons were fed up with Trump who lacks their values.

Excerpt:
Even a small shift in Latter-day Saints' voting patterns could have a large impact in Arizona. There are about 437,000 members of the faith in the state, though that number includes children; Trump won by just 91,000 votes in 2016.

Despite their reservations about Trump in 2016, members of the faith largely fell into familiar voting patterns, supporting Trump or begrudgingly casting their votes for a third-party candidate.

But Biden doesn’t cause the same reluctance among some Latter-day Saints as Hillary Clinton did. They like his temperament and personality.

The Latter-day Saints' relationship with the federal government is complicated, and some members support Trump precisely because he is shaking up the government.

There is a large group of Latter-day Saints whose members don’t like Trump’s style, but they say his policies on abortion and conservative court appointments outweigh their personal distaste for him. For many of them, supporting the president’s reelection is an easy decision.

Still, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints diverges from the president on several policy fronts. It takes a more empathetic stance on immigration and refugees, positions informed by its global reach, legions of missionaries and the church’s own history as an unwelcome religious minority in the country.

Like the "Catholic vote" you have politicians and voters on both sides, though more on the Rep side. Politicians like Jeff Flake, Mitt Romney, Harry Reid, Tom Udall, Orrin Hatch, Mike Lee, Dean Heller, Mike Crapo, Mia Love, Ben McAdams.

Catholics voted for Gore, Obama x 2, and, narrowly, for Clinton (link)

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta...nalysis/ft_16-11-09_relig_exitpoll_religrace/

Mormons voted for W. at 80%, Romney at 78% and Trump at 61%. Trump is now a known commodity as far as his personality, values, and policies. Romney said he did not vote for Trump. Is Flake an example of Mormon voting in Arizona? Will Trump be able to get that 61% of the Mormon vote?

God, Country and Trump.
 
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Like the "Catholic vote" you have politicians and voters on both sides, though more on the Rep side. Jeff Flake, Mitt Romney, Harry Reid, Tom Udall, Orrin Hatch, Mike Lee, Dean Heller, Mike Crapo, Mia Love, Ben McAdams.

Catholics voted for Gore, Obama x 2, and, narrowly, for Clinton (link)

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta...nalysis/ft_16-11-09_relig_exitpoll_religrace/

Mormons voted for W. at 80%, Romney at 78% and Trump at 61%. Trump is now a known commodity as far as his personality, values, and policies. Romney said he did not vote for Trump. Is Flake an example of Mormon voting in Arizona?

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Catholics don't vote for babykillers

I could see Latino Catholics voting Democrat, and according to Legacy's numbers the western side of the country's Catholics did vote that way. The rural and suburban Catholics certainly didn't though.

Pew research seems to confirm my hypothesis:

Overall, Catholic voters are roughly evenly split between the share who identify with or lean to the Republican (46%) and Democratic (47%) parties. But white Catholics and Hispanic Catholics diverge politically.

White Catholic voters now are more Republican (54%) than Democratic (40%). While the partisan balance among white Catholic voters is little changed in recent years, this group was more evenly divided in their partisan loyalties about a decade ago.

Hispanic Catholics, who represent a growing share of the Catholic population in the U.S., are substantially more Democratic in their orientation (64% of Hispanic Catholic voters affiliate with or lean to the Democratic Party, 27% to the GOP).
 

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I watched the first hour. I was disappointed that Biden started railing on Trump and never did answer either of the first two questions. Trump was better at containing himself for about 45 minutes before he started wanting to hog the time and became a little repetitive. Given what I saw, I would give Trump a slight nod. Don't think it will change anything.
 

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Am I the only one who threw up a little when they heard "Bidencare"
 

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I could see Latino Catholics voting Democrat, and according to Legacy's numbers the western side of the country's Catholics did vote that way. The rural and suburban Catholics certainly didn't though.

Pew research seems to confirm my hypothesis:

Then they simply aren't real Catholics. They should be shamed into compliance or excommunicated.
 

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I lost it at "Who built the cages, Joe?"

Idk if it will sway anyone but Donald had his best debate performance tonight.

That was actually the point of the debate where I realized Biden & Trump would just patently deny whatever the other accused them of. Sure the fact checkers will be trending on Twitter for a day or so, but I think these pols have made us all so jaded & cynical that we are beyond voting for the lesser of two evils....it’s now the lesser of two cancerous human beings that are so crooked they will have to have their legs broken in order to get them in their coffins when they die.
 

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He asked for it.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As per your request, Joe... <a href="https://t.co/78mzcfLEsF">https://t.co/78mzcfLEsF</a> <a href="https://t.co/AalVkSfHFi">pic.twitter.com/AalVkSfHFi</a></p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1319491234042269696?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 23, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

LOL. You knew that was coming. Biden knows the majority of the MSM has his back & can deflect. Biden reminds me of the Eddie Murphy bit about getting caught red-handed cheating on his girlfriend....”Wasn’t me”
 

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Didn't realize last night was the first time for half the country hearing the word "coyote" used in the context of immigration. A lot of people including a Georgia elected Dem offiicial have egg on their face thinking the joke was on Trump. Maybe Google something before commenting and getting ratioed into oblivion on twitter saying does Trump really think an animal is dragging little kids across the border. LOL!
 

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Didn't realize last night was the first time for half the country hearing the word "coyote" used in the context of immigration. A lot of people including a Georgia elected Dem offiicial have egg on their face thinking the joke was on Trump. Maybe Google something before commenting and getting ratioed into oblivion on twitter saying does Trump really think an animal is dragging little kids across the border. LOL!

Blue check and lib twitter lit up in anger over it last night. It's hilarious.



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Voter Suppression in Fla, Part two

Voter Suppression in Fla, Part two

Part 1 was on Rep pols undercutting Fla voters Fair District Amendment. (#651)

Part II - Targeting Black Voters.-- How the Trump campaign used big data to deter Miami-Dade’s Black communities from voting (Miami Herald)
OCTOBER 22, 2020 02:32 PM, UPDATED OCTOBER 22, 2020 08:10 PM

Donald Trump’s team knew they couldn’t win the 2016 election simply by persuading people to vote for Trump.

They also had to make sure Hillary Clinton supporters didn’t come out to the polls.

So the campaign and its allies used big data to target Black communities along Miami-Dade County’s historically disenfranchised Interstate 95 corridor. There, residents became some of the 12.3 million unwitting subjects of a groundbreaking nationwide experiment: A computer algorithm that analyzed huge sums of potential voters’ personal data — things they’d said and done on Facebook, credit card purchases, charities they supported, and even personality traits — decided they could be manipulated into not voting. They probably wouldn’t even know it was happening. (cont)
 
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Part 1 was on Rep pols undercutting Fla voters Fair District Amendment. (#651)

Part II - Targeting Black Voters.-- How the Trump campaign used big data to deter Miami-Dade’s Black communities from voting (Miami Herald)
OCTOBER 22, 2020 02:32 PM, UPDATED OCTOBER 22, 2020 08:10 PM

lol... you don't think Dems are using big data and tech...

when you have even NBC reporters using tech to mine and dox Trump supporters, you don't think the DNC and pacs are using everything at their disposal.

by the way, that's not suppression.

be better in part 3 lol
 

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Voter suppression in Florida, Part III

Voter suppression in Florida, Part III

In Florida, the Gutting of a Landmark Law Leaves Few Felons Likely to Vote
State officials don’t know how many felons are registered or eligible to vote. So we did our own analysis and found only a very small percentage of them will be able to cast ballots this election. Some could face prosecution if they do.
(ProPublica)

Nearly two years after Florida voters approved a landmark constitutional amendment allowing felons to vote, state officials don’t know how many have registered. They also don’t know how many felons on the voter rolls owe court fees, fines or restitution that would disqualify them from voting under a subsequent state law that limited the amendment’s scope.

Florida officials have not removed any felons from the rolls for owing fines or fees, and they’re unlikely to do so before Election Day, Secretary of State Laurel Lee said in an interview Monday. It’s unclear whether those whom the state fails to prune are entitled to vote after all — or may face prosecution if they do.

With so much in flux, the winner in Florida of the closely watched presidential vote could be decided by the courts for the second time in two decades.

Amid the confusion, the one certainty is that Florida’s Republican governor and Legislature have tamped down the felon vote, according to an analysis of state records by the Tampa Bay Times, Miami Herald and ProPublica. In a presidential election marred by voter suppression tactics, such as misinformation about vote-by-mail fraud, the weakening of Florida’s ballot measure, known as Amendment 4, may constitute the biggest single instance of voter disenfranchisement. Like the poll taxes of the Jim Crow era, the restrictions have especially hit Black Floridians, who make up a disproportionate share of felons and register overwhelmingly as Democrats.

By comparing the Florida Department of Corrections database of roughly 418,000 inmates released since 1997 with the state’s August list of nearly 15 million registered voters, the analysis found that about 31,400 Floridians with felony convictions have registered to vote since Amendment 4 took effect in January 2019. More than twice as many have registered as Democrats than Republicans, and the amendment has had the greatest impact in counties with higher numbers of Black residents. In Gadsden County, the only one in the state where more than half of the residents are Black, felons made up at least 1 in 5 new voters. In seven other counties with sizable Black populations, felons make up at least 1 in every 15 new voters. (cont)

Voters approved a second Amendment to the state constitution (the first concerned gerrymandering - Fair Districts) which granted felons the right to vote.

Judges: Florida felons can’t vote until they pay fines, fees
September 11, 2020, AP news

Florida felons must pay all fines, restitution and legal fees before they can regain their right to vote, a federal appellate court ruled Friday in a case that could have broad implications for the November elections.

Reversing a lower court judge’s decision that gave Florida felons the right to vote regardless of outstanding legal obligations, the order from the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the position of Republican Gov. Ron DeSantis and the GOP-led state Legislature, leaving voting rights activists aghast.

Under Amendment 4, which Florida voters passed overwhelmingly in 2018, felons who have completed their sentences would have voting rights restored. But the legal dispute arose after lawmakers the next year moved to define what it means to complete a sentence. (cont)


Now an Amendment (#4) is on the ballot for Nov 3, requiring all proposed amendments or revisions to the state constitution to be approved by the voters in two elections each time getting 60% of the votes., instead of one, in order to take effect.

Some people do not like restrictions on gerrymandering as well as felons voting - and would reverse voters decisions on Constitutional Amendments any way they can.
 
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