2020-2021 Notre Dame’s Men’s Basketball

[stpeteirish]

Wait.
What

And he has been cleared.

Cold, cold take.

Where did you see Wertz has been cleared? He didn't play today. If the NCAA rules all sit outs can play he will be cleared. If we had simply asked for a waiver he'd have been good to go in game one.

Pretty dumb to wait wasn't it?

 

[NDGOLDEN]

Where did you see Wertz has been cleared? He didn't play today. If the NCAA rules all sit outs can play he will be cleared. If we had simply asked for a waiver he'd have been good to go in game one.

Pretty dumb to wait wasn't it?

The NCAA just said yesterday they will give transfers immediate eligibility

 

[NDGOLDEN]

Where did you see Wertz has been cleared? He didn't play today. If the NCAA rules all sit outs can play he will be cleared. If we had simply asked for a waiver he'd have been good to go in game one.

Pretty dumb to wait wasn't it?

Brey just announced wertz will be available for duke

 

[NDPhilly]

At the very least I think this is a NCAA tournament team, maybe a top 25 team by the end of the year.

 

[Luckylucci]

At the very least I think this is a NCAA tournament team, maybe a top 25 team by the end of the year.

I’m there with you. I think this team will be a quality group throughout the season.

 

[NDGOLDEN]

At the very least I think this is a NCAA tournament team, maybe a top 25 team by the end of the year.

I agree if we play like the first half then we will give everyone tough games. If we play like the second then we are back to where we are. Gotta make shots when needed

Not comparing the 2015 team but when we needed a bucket we almost always got it. I’m hoping someone can get that fire in them to want to hit that shot we need. Hubb did it today the last couple mins but the first 11 mins we needed a shot to stop runs and no one was hitting any that’s concerning

 

[Woneone]

Brey just announced wertz will be available for duke

Sounds like, per the ND MBB Twitter page, he was speaking in regards to the NCAA making the broad change, not specific to Wertz himself. So, hopefully that comes to fruition.

I didn't get to watch the whole game, just the first-half (lucky me) and seeing the final score, I don't plan on watching the second half either.

- Laz could be really, really good. Needs a bit better awareness when he drives (if he learns to draw and kick, oh my).

- Part of the reason I won't watch the second half is because I don't want to watch what, from others, was an appearance of "Bad Hubb" for a good portion of it. I appreciate him wanting the shot in the last minute when needed, but I'd rather just be up 10.

- Right now, we need Djogo healthy and playing. But, when he's healthy, the less we see of him, the better. That means Carmody/Wertz is back. Saunders learns to be a bit more under control.

- Matt Zona is a guy who seems to be in the right place at the right time. For a freshman, I'll take it.

- Ryan seems to like to disappear for stretches. He can't do that.

I'm still not sure what the plan is when a team punches us in the mouth on the defensive end. Although, Carmody was always willing to drive (albeit out of control), but we need someone to break-down a defense.

 

[BilboBaggins]

I’m there with you. I think this team will be a quality group throughout the season.

Not only that but shouldn't we see two more years of this core group, since the NCAA is handing out extra seasons of eligibility?

The need some bench help, badly, but this squad isn't the trainwreck we saw against Michigan State.

 

[notredomer23]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mike Brey states G Robby Carmody could return to practice mid-January and possibly be ready for game action at the end of January.</p>— Irish Sports Daily (@ISDUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/ISDUpdate/status/1338901216957517827?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 15, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[RDU Irish]

I'm excited. If the NCAA gives an extra year to everyone we may have over 10 on the roster for a change.

 

[Luckylucci]

I'm excited. If the NCAA gives an extra year to everyone we may have over 10 on the roster for a change.

I wonder who, if any, of the current Junior class would come back for a 5th year. None seem like obvious NBA guys. So, if they could get all those guys back for a 5th year along with Wesley getting into his Sophomore year, that might be it. That could be a really good shot at some post season magic.

 

[Woneone]

Jalen Johnson out for Duke Wednesday:

ESPN Article

 

[Woneone]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">D-1 Council has passed the proposal in which all transfers are now eligible to play this season, per source.</p>— Jeff Goodman (@GoodmanHoops) <a href="https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1339332711077588997?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[notredomer23]

First 4 games told us a lot... that we needed (at least) one more piece. We have that now. Let’s start ACC play on a positive note.

 

[Woneone]

What an embarrassing performance.

Duke is shooting around 57% from the field, 58% from 3, because they are getting literally any shot they want. I think they've made their last 7 shots, all from inside the paint.

Done watching for the night.

 

[sportallyr]

Wertz hasn’t played all season and Duke is a tough first game, so I’ll give him a pass...but he was pretty awful tonight. He wasn’t the only one (pretty much everyone played bad except Goodwin), but I was certainly expecting more from him. Hopefully he’ll be better next game.

 

[Woneone]

Wertz hasn’t played all season and Duke is a tough first game, so I’ll give him a pass...but he was pretty awful tonight. He wasn’t the only one (pretty much everyone played bad except Goodwin), but I was certainly expecting more from him. Hopefully he’ll be better next game.

He get's a pass from me. First game, found out today your eligible. That's understandable. I know it's against Duke back-ups, but he got real aggressive at the end of the game.

What's not ok is that Nate took 6 shots. He can't have 1 more shot than Durham. He can't be 5th on the team in shots taken.

And that defensive effort. Wow.

 

[RDU Irish]

I don't know what you guys have been watching to think this is even a potential tourney team let alone Top 25 but that was hot garbage last night. Ryan looks like they pulled him off the Bookstore courts, has me wishing for more Djogo. Wertz at least had flashes and moves like a real basketball player - he will be playing 40 minutes per game before MLK day. Much better option to break down the defense off the dribble than Hubb.

Our offensive post play is just shy of comical. Durham has no feel down there whatsoever, Laz is improved but still bordering on more liability than asset in the paint offensively. All that size and virtually no presence.

Seriously - these guys are year three together and have no clue how to work together on either side of the court. Wertz/Hubb/Goodwin/Laz will have to be the core playing vast majority of minutes and I only see Zona and Durham as feasible fifth and sixth guys. Brey has played 6 deep plenty of times in the past, why not? Just ridiculous that he needs a transfer rule change to come close to fielding a competitive team.

 

[BeauBenken]

Wertz needs to be able to finish, but he definitely adds the ability to drive the basket which we don't really possess with anyone else on the team.

Honestly the issue seemed to just be defense. I have faith that we can get good offense out of this group. Far too many quality shooters not to...though our passing ability seems lackluster compared to years past.

If we grow throughout the season, we can be pretty good. If we don't continue to grow and improve, yikes.

 

[RDU Irish]

Wertz needs to be able to finish, but he definitely adds the ability to drive the basket which we don't really possess with anyone else on the team.

Honestly the issue seemed to just be defense. I have faith that we can get good offense out of this group. Far too many quality shooters not to...though our passing ability seems lackluster compared to years past.

If we grow throughout the season, we can be pretty good. If we don't continue to grow and improve, yikes.

Passing is sloppy AF. Ryan may be the worst. Year three in the system should be resembling more well oiled machine and less cluster fvck for Goodwin/Durham/Hubb/Laz. Ryan was supposedly practicing with them last year - wouldn't know it from the game and a half I have seen so far. Have yet to see any redeeming qualities in his game.

Granted only a couple of data points but Wertz finishing ability looks better than the rest of the team combined.

 

[stpeteirish]

Ryan is supposed to be a great shooter but he shot a poor % in his one year at Stanford and his troubles appear to be continuing at ND.

He looks to me like the kind of player who will light up teams that are not good on D but the good defensive teams will mess him up; then he'll either disappear or try a bunch of low % shots.

Decent guy for 20 minutes, not someone who can be your alpha.

We've had a lot of those lately.

 

[Woneone]

Hubb can be really, really awful.

 

[Woneone]

Wertz is a better lead guard than Hubb, and I think Brey has realized it. Hubb played off the ball quite a bit that first half.

He's a type of athlete that no one else on the team can replicate.

Poor Laz. First game we've played real small ball, and I have to assume this is the largest front court we'll play (even bigger than UNC). Saw what type of player he could be with the drive around Eddy, and the kick to Wertz.

 

[stpeteirish]

FWIW Irish in action tonight vs UVA in a 6 PM start. Trailing 30-24 at the half Laz and Durham with 23 of ND's 24 points. Rest of the team is 0-10 from the field. ugh

Wertz with what looked like a bad ankle sprain late in the half. double ugh.

With Wertz out we'll have to lean on Hubb in the second half.

 

[Woneone]

FWIW Irish in action tonight vs UVA in a 6 PM start. Trailing 30-24 at the half Laz and Durham with 23 of ND's 24 points. Rest of the team is 0-10 from the field. ugh

Wertz with what looked like a bad ankle sprain late in the half. double ugh.

With Wertz out we'll have to lean on Hubb in the second half.

Now with 34 of our points I think.

Our guards are just at the mercy of UVA. Ryan has been just terrible, but in all fairness, it's his first game against UVA.

Hubb just hit a nice runner, but has been awful outside a couple of nice passes to cutting bigs.

Goodwin can score against smaller guards. But with us playing small, you can just put the "mismatch" on him in a bigger player and shut him down.

Said it a bunch this year, but Laz is our best player, by a wide margin.

 

[UPMich_NDfan]

Hubb is not a good player....and an awful point guard.

It is confusing, because when you watch him move around out there you get the feeling he is a good a player....but when it comes down to decision making he is awful.

Brey hitched his wagon to him, and based on recruiting rankings I cannot blame him...but man his tenure at point guard for this program has/is going to set us back for years.

100% agree with this...Hubb just keeps underperforming. It's not so much skill wise, he can get his...every so often (but usually by over dribbling) But everything else, all the intangibles...big time lacking. He just irks me everytime I watch them!

 

[TP81989]

Really hope Brey considers retirement after this season.

The program is in a bad place.

 

[BabyIrish]

ND loses a heartbreaker to UNC 66-65. Laz had another phenomenal game. Too bad.

 

[IrishBryan77]

Looking at an 8-9 win season at this rate and with the remaining schedule. Pathetic really. Of course I guess that's what ya get when there are 3 MAYBE 4 ok players in the rotation.

 

[RDU Irish]

Didn't catch the game but checked out the box score - Laz 7-11 from 3 while rest of the team was 4 of 19..... now I am happy I was preoccupied and couldn't watch live. Cormac needs to go away - I would play Djogo over him at this point. Scary thing is Brey was expecting Wertz to sit for a year so the current roster is what Brey expected to produce with this year, full year to prep and plan and scheme with these pieces and this is what we have.

Now watch Brey get them playing decent by year end and talk about growth, adversity and adjustments - ITS THE SAME ROSTER WHY DON'T YOU FIGURE IT OUT BEFORE THE SEASON STARTS FOR ONCE!