2018 NFL Draft

[Luckylucci]

Even then, I thought he was supposed to be pretty decent in college, just without tons of upside as a prospect, hence why he went 3rd overall. I'm drawing a blank. I want Allen to be good, but I just think it's a huge red flag.

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Certainly agree, that’s why if he is needed to be your guy right away. I wouldn’t take him there. But if you have a stop gap QB in place, then he’s a pretty intriguing option in 1-2 years.

 

[snoopdog]

My first three qb’s off the board
1. Mayfield
2. Mayfield
3. Mayfield

Brett Favre anyone

 

[GATTACA!]

Me waiting for this mock to start

 

[Legacy]

2018 NFL Draft: Notre Dame duo leads offensive line class

Top 5 OTs

1) Mike McGlinchey, Notre Dame: McGlinchey is a well-coached technician who does a good job of dropping his pad level and operating as a drive blocker, but he struggles to anchor in pass protection at times.

Top 6 interior O-linemen

1) Quenton Nelson, OG, Notre Dame: Nelson is built like a bank safe. He has outstanding size and strength. He's an elite run-blocking talent with all-pro potential. When I compared him to Pro Football Hall of Famer Larry Allen, I meant it.

 

[Legacy]

Do the Broncos as 5 take a QB?

First, they are horrible at picking in the draft, rated 31st out of 32 teams prior to last seasons draft over the period of 2012-16. Kiper regraded their 2017 draft as a C, among the worst of all teams.

Garrett Bolles, LT (1st rd) was mediocre
DeMarcus Walker, WLB (2nd rd) played 99 snaps
Carlos Hendeson, WR (3rd rd) - did not play, injured
Brenden Langley, CB (3rd rd) - played 100 snaps
Isaiah McKenzie, WR (5th rd) - had four receptions
Jake Butt, TE (5th rd) - did not play, injured
DeAngelo Henderson, RB (6th rd) ran for 13 yds in 7 attempts
Chad Kelly, QB (7th rd) - did not play

One Broncos site graded the 2017 draft:
C - 33%
D - 46%
F - 13%

Second, they seem to always take a QB. Since 2009, they have not take a QB in only two drafts - 2011, 2014.

2017 - Chad Kelly
2016 - Paxton Lynch
2015 - Trevor Simian
2013 - Zac Dysart
2012 - Brock Osweller
2010 - Tim Tebow
2009 - Tom Bradstater
2006 - Jay Cutler

 

[Luckylucci]

Huh?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nf...ks-may-be-in-works/ar-AAvXwJt?ocid=spartandhp

 

[ACamp1900]

I'd be... let down... moving the first and the fourth for more draft capital and only getting Allen out of all of this?

 

[Rogue219]

Did anyone have an opportunity to watch Josh Allen play?

I saw him play against, what I thought, were his three best opponents: Iowa, Oregon and Boise State. He looked abysmal in all three. The Oregon game was at Wyoming, too.

Decision making and accuracy are very serious concerns.

The two best players in this draft are Chubb and Q Nelson. That may prove to be different in five years, but right now, is there a safer pick than Nelson?

 

[ACamp1900]

I watched Wyoming maybe more than any team not named Notre Dame over the last two years oddly,.... Allen looked good for the most part but yeah. I could see him being a good pro, but there are def safer bets in this draft.

 

[ACamp1900]

I completely agree with Chubb and Nelson being the two best in the draft...

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

I'd be... let down... moving the first and the fourth for more draft capital and only getting Allen out of all of this?

They'll be getting a lot more than just Allen. They'll be stockpiling a few more picks in the first/second round.

Delayed gratification could be fantastic for this organization. I know the fans are getting antsy, but this could pay huge dividends. Of course, they could squander all this capital by drafting poorly but man, I hope the deal goes through because I want to see the specifics.

If I'm guessing: the Brown would be getting a couple first round picks and potentially a 2nd and 3rd.

 

[Legacy]

Denver and Indy are possibly landing spots for Nelson and perhaps NYG if they choose to go for a non-QB.

 

[ACamp1900]

They'll be getting a lot more than just Allen. They'll be stockpiling a few more picks in the first/second round.

Delayed gratification could be fantastic for this organization. I know the fans are getting antsy, but this could pay huge dividends. Of course, they could squander all this capital by drafting poorly but man, I hope the deal goes through because I want to see the specifics.

If I'm guessing: the Brown would be getting a couple first round picks and potentially a 2nd and 3rd.

Thing is they have draft capital... tons of it... at some point stop moving back and just make a freaking top pick already and move on from this, "but we can have ten 3rd rounders!" bullshit. Just my thoughts.

 

[Luckylucci]

Thing is they have draft capital... tons of it... at some point stop moving back and just make a freaking top pick already and move on from this, "but we can have ten 3rd rounders!" bullshit. Just my thoughts.

I completely agree with this. Especially since I've read a few different places, which could just be group think, that the reason Buffalo is having a hard time trading up, is because a lot of teams are viewing late first round picks this year, similar to second round picks. So, they don't have the same value as we would generally expect.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Thing is they have draft capital... tons of it... at some point stop moving back and just make a freaking top pick already and move on from this, "but we can have ten 3rd rounders!" bullshit. Just my thoughts.

Completely disagree but understand what you are saying. I'm not a fan so I'm really in no hurry. I'd love to see them turnaround their franchise and I believe draft capital does just that. They will be loading up on cheap talent and when they start winning, they'll have to be much better about talent evaluation/acquisitions and managing their roster.

They are able to load up right now and they need to capitalize. Once they start winning 5-8 games, they will have to make better decisions than the rest of the league to be statistically near the top. They haven't done that recently so I'd like them to create the biggest net they can before they start the long excursion.

 

[IrishLion]

Josh Allen, in my opinion, is the best QB in this draft. His completion % was not good this past season, but I think he has the physical and mental makeup to be a good QB. I don't believe Rosen or Barkley would be good AFC North quarterbacks.

If the Browns want Chubb, they need to take him #1 overall. I don't see him getting passed the Giants at #2. If the Giants didn't trade JPP, Chubb would probably be there at 4.

Did anyone have an opportunity to watch Josh Allen play?

I saw him play against, what I thought, were his three best opponents: Iowa, Oregon and Boise State. He looked abysmal in all three. The Oregon game was at Wyoming, too.

Decision making and accuracy are very serious concerns.

The two best players in this draft are Chubb and Q Nelson. That may prove to be different in five years, but right now, is there a safer pick than Nelson?

I read an article this morning that uses a semi-new method of projecting QB's based on certain college stats. It establishes an average baseline of success that you're looking for in college, and can make a decent projection of how that translates to the next level.

Josh Allen was.... not good. Even by his stats in 2016, he does not project well. There's always the chance that he could be one of the few to outplay his college stats and improve his accuracy greatly, but it seems far more likely that he's DeShone Kizer or Tim Tebow.

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2018/4...backs-josh-allen-sam-darnold-projections-hype

One problem with the model is that Josh Rosen is projected very poorly based on his terrible freshman year... but his improved dramatically after that, so extrapolating the stats would probably put him in a top-5 group.

The top-4 based on the projections:
1. Baker Mayfield
2. Sam Darnold
3. Mason Rudolph
4. Logan Woodside

Woodside obviously played bad competition, but the stats being used kind of account for that. He could be the next late-round success story if he gets put in a good developmental situation (cough Patriots cough).

 

[ACamp1900]

Completely disagree but understand what you are saying. I'm not a fan so I'm really in no hurry. I'd love to see them turnaround their franchise and I believe draft capital does just that. They will be loading up on cheap talent and when they start winning, they'll have to be much better about talent evaluation/acquisitions and managing their roster.

They are able to load up right now and they need to capitalize. Once they start winning 5-8 games, they will have to make better decisions than the rest of the league to be statistically near the top. They haven't done that recently so I'd like them to create the biggest net they can before they start the long excursion.

I mean, they've been doing that for a few years now... but okay... At some point get the top level players in here to help lead the roster of 2nd and 3rd rounders you already have from multiple previous trade backs.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

I mean, they've been doing that for a few years now... but okay... At some point get the top level players in here to help lead the roster of 2nd and 3rd rounders you already have from multiple previous trade backs.

Understood. Like I said, I can disagree but it really doesn't matter to me since I'm not a Browns fan. I'm rooting for them to turn everything around but that's it.

Eventually, I agree wiht you but if they can keep turning a first rounder into two first rounders and change, it's not a bad way to go. Espeically if they still get their QB.

 

[ACamp1900]

Understood. Like I said, I can disagree but it really doesn't matter to me since I'm not a Browns fan. I'm rooting for them to turn everything around but that's it.

Eventually, I agree wiht you but if they can keep turning a first rounder into two first rounders and change, it's not a bad way to go. Espeically if they still get their QB.

Yeah, which brings me back to my first point... after all this (years) and having two top four picks, if all they get out of it is a massive project with Allen and more picks...

 

[Rogue219]

I watched Wyoming maybe more than any team not named Notre Dame over the last two years oddly,.... Allen looked good for the most part but yeah. I could see him being a good pro, but there are def safer bets in this draft.

There are safer quarterbacks in this draft.

 

[ACamp1900]

There are safer quarterbacks in this draft.

yep

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

Yeah, which brings me back to my first point... after all this (years) and having two top four picks, if all they get out of it is a massive project with Allen and more picks...

So now you're certain Darnold was the answer? If that's the case then I understand your point. I thought you viewed the QBs like me, there is no clearcut favorite so why not trade back one spot, pick up another 2nd rounder and take 1 of the 3 who were at the top of the board?

I'm operating from the view that none of the QBs are a clearcut #1.

 

[Rogue219]

I read an article this morning that uses a semi-new method of projecting QB's based on certain college stats. It establishes an average baseline of success that you're looking for in college, and can make a decent projection of how that translates to the next level.

Josh Allen was.... not good. Even by his stats in 2016, he does not project well. There's always the chance that he could be one of the few to outplay his college stats and improve his accuracy greatly, but it seems far more likely that he's DeShone Kizer or Tim Tebow.

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2018/4...backs-josh-allen-sam-darnold-projections-hype

One problem with the model is that Josh Rosen is projected very poorly based on his terrible freshman year... but his improved dramatically after that, so extrapolating the stats would probably put him in a top-5 group.

The top-4 based on the projections:
1. Baker Mayfield
2. Sam Darnold
3. Mason Rudolph
4. Logan Woodside

Woodside obviously played bad competition, but the stats being used kind of account for that. He could be the next late-round success story if he gets put in a good developmental situation (cough Patriots cough).

Mason Rudolph could be a great value pick for someone.

I'm not on the Baker Mayfield Train. I just don't see it.

 

[Rogue219]

Denver and Indy are possibly landing spots for Nelson and perhaps NYG if they choose to go for a non-QB.

If Nelson is there at five, I have a hard time seeing Elway pass on Nelson unless he trades down to Buffalo and uses their two first rounders to draft OL. It wouldn't be a bad thing, either, even as good as Nelson is/will be.

 

[ACamp1900]

So now you're certain Darnold was the answer? If that's the case then I understand your point. I thought you viewed the QBs like me, there is no clearcut favorite so why not trade back on spot, pick up another 2nd rounder and take 1 of the 3 who were at the top of the board?

I'm operating from the view that none of the QBs are a clearcut #1.

No, I'm not saying that... there is no Manning/Luck in this draft but there are a few guys that SHOULD pan out... I think Darnold or Rosen is the best bet... but I also really want the best impact defender they can get which would be a big part of the letdown if they just trade back for more picks. I do think the one thing Cleveland is not in need of anymore is more picks, they have a ton in the next few drafts already, time to start cashing these in imo.

Ideally, get the pick of QB at 1 ( I think Darnold is the safest pick if I'm honest). Then get Chubb at four. If Chubb is gone and they don't love Barkley (which I would understand) then I could see a trade back. I'm trying hard to just trust who they get for QB but if they get Allen AND trade back I'd feel like it's another extreme missed opportunity.

 

[Legacy]

If Nelson is there at five, I have a hard time seeing Elway pass on Nelson unless he trades down to Buffalo and uses their two first rounders to draft OL. It wouldn't be a bad thing, either, even as good as Nelson is/will be.

In our mock, that's what I chose to do with a trade for Buffalo's two first rounders. The Broncos can now pick a top ten talent at 12 that gets pushed down due to the run on QBs. Or they could address a QB of the future in the second wave of QBs with one of those two picks or their first pick in round 2 (#40). For the OG, Isaiah Wynn or Will Hernandez could be good options at 12 or 22.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

No, I'm not saying that... there is no Manning/Luck in this draft but there are a few guys that SHOULD pan out... I think Darnold or Rosen is the best bet... but I also really want the best impact defender they can get which would be a big part of the letdown if they just trade back for more picks. I do think the one thing Cleveland is not in need of anymore is more picks, they have a ton in the next few drafts already, time to start cashing these in imo.

Ideally, get the pick of QB at 1 ( I think Darnold is the safest pick if I'm honest). Then get Chubb at four. If Chubb is gone and they don't love Barkley (which I would understand) then I could see a trade back. I'm trying hard to just trust who they get for QB but if they get Allen AND trade back I'd feel like it's another extreme missed opportunity.

We'll see what happens, we're both on record with our positions. You want it and you want it now. I think they'd get the Giant's 2nd rounder for moving back one position with them and if they give up #4 to the Bills, they'll take their #12 and probably an additional 1st and 2nd rounder.

If you could have picks #2 and #12 and then get the Giant's second round pick this year and two additional picks from the Bills for next year, would it be worth it to you?

They can still get a QB, they can still get a top notch defensive player and they can absolutely clean house in the 2nd round and address any needs: they would have picks 33, 34 & 35.

That sounds like a team that wants to win now and in the future. Hopefully for your sake, they don't make that trade.

 

[ACamp1900]

If you could have picks #2 and #12 and then get the Giant's second round pick this year and two additional picks from the Bills for next year, would it be worth it to you?

Assuming one of the picks next year is a first rounder... correct? I wouldn't hate it, but again, when do you start simply making these picks? That's pretty much where I'm at.

 

[dang227]

No, I'm not saying that... there is no Manning/Luck in this draft but there are a few guys that SHOULD pan out... I think Darnold or Rosen is the best bet... but I also really want the best impact defender they can get which would be a big part of the letdown if they just trade back for more picks. I do think the one thing Cleveland is not in need of anymore is more picks, they have a ton in the next few drafts already, time to start cashing these in imo.



Ideally, get the pick of QB at 1 ( I think Darnold is the safest pick if I'm honest). Then get Chubb at four. If Chubb is gone and they don't love Barkley (which I would understand) then I could see a trade back. I'm trying hard to just trust who they get for QB but if they get Allen AND trade back I'd feel like it's another extreme missed opportunity.

I 100% agree. I am sick of them building up draft capital. Draft the QB they want at 1 and best player available at 4. They need playmakers not more draft picks.

 

[ACamp1900]

I 100% agree. I am sick of them building up draft capital. Draft the QB they want at 1 and best player available at 4. They need playmakers not more draft picks.

that 2022 draft could be straight fire tho....