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Cackalacky

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I don't think that I would call it being honest. I would call it sensational statements to get himself attention. That isn't calling things as they are or being honest, it is called being an uninformed jackass.

Totally agree. He is applying Marketing 409 right now. Self aggrandizing bloviation. There has literally been zero factual basis for anything he has said so far. His comments about the wall were the closest he has come to a policy and is quite possibly the dumbest idea I have ever heard. Let alone the negative iconology and political symbolism of the Iron Curtain "Wall" but he wants to build it to secure the border from people that might just be some of the most skilled tunnelers and geotechnical engineers in the Western Hemisphere. He also displayed shameless and sheer bravado claiming he would make Mexico pay for it.... Lol
 
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I don't think that I would call it being honest. I would call it sensational statements to get himself attention. That isn't calling things as they are or being honest, it is called being an uninformed jackass.

You can call it whatever you want. His McCain comments were distasteful, but his comments about the border weren't "crazy" or "outrageous." He is the only candidate who has the balls to point out a big problem on our border.

Just as the Sanders supporters on the left who aren't happy about Hillary, I believe many of the Trump supporters like the idea of a candidate not named Bush.
 

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To a certain extent, you're right on. But he's way worse than anyone else on either side.

On the left, Bernie Sanders is the guy I have the most respect for. Will I vote for him? Never. Do I disagree with him on every issue? Yes. But at least he's honest in his intentions and his socialist ideals.

Bad capitalism beats good socialism every time.
 

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You can call it whatever you want. His McCain comments were distasteful, but his comments about the border weren't "crazy" or "outrageous." He is the only candidate who has the balls to point out a big problem on our border.

Just as the Sanders supporters on the left who aren't happy about Hillary, I believe many of the Trump supporters like the idea of a candidate not named Bush.

What now? Saying he was going to make Mexico pay for the wall (only if Trump is elected President so that they can stop all the American from fleeing to Mexico) and saying "When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're sending people that have lots of problems. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists, and some, I assume, are good people".

So many things wrong with this, first off Mexico doesn't send us people. Second not everyone who comes across the border is bringing drugs or are rapists. Also many are good hard working people. Obviously there are criminals in the mix as well but the comment is downright bullshit meant to pander to a portion of the population who believe it. Here is an interesting article on violent crimes by immigrants, which is far from conclusive but gives a look at both sides. Voices: How violent are undocumented immigrants?.
 
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You can call it whatever you want. His McCain comments were distasteful, but his comments about the border weren't "crazy" or "outrageous." He is the only candidate who has the balls to point out a big problem on our border.

Just as the Sanders supporters on the left who aren't happy about Hillary, I believe many of the Trump supporters like the idea of a candidate not named Bush.

Do you also acknowledge that all of his solution for it have been absurd?

If not, explain how a huge wall that we don't have money to build or ship every illegal back and let the "good ones" back in?

Mexico will pay for it, right?

Acknowledging a problem is something everybody will do on the campaign trail, it's the solution that matters. Trump seems to be simply selling snake oil to angry people and they're drinking it up without actually providing them with any evidence of it actually working.
 

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You can call it whatever you want. His McCain comments were distasteful, but his comments about the border weren't "crazy" or "outrageous." He is the only candidate who has the balls to point out a big problem on our border.

Just as the Sanders supporters on the left who aren't happy about Hillary, I believe many of the Trump supporters like the idea of a candidate not named Bush
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There are like 15 other last names that are not Bush and do not rhyme with "dump". It must be a statistical impossibility that a quarter of republicans are supporting a candidate on that criterion. Trump is an ignorant dick and a quarter of the party is finally getting the kind of candidate they have been waiting for.
 

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UPDATE: 6:10 p.m. -- Fox News on Tuesday announced the 10 candidates who will participate in the first Republican presidential debate this coming Thursday. The candidates are:

1. Donald Trump
2. Jeb Bush
3. Scott Walker
4. Mike Huckabee
5. Ben Carson
6. Ted Cruz
7. Marco Rubio
8. Rand Paul
9. Chris Christie
10. John Kasich
 

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Ted Cruz claims to cook bacon with a machine gun. But the problem is it isn't really a machine gun. And he claims to be a gun guy - smh.



<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/EaZGaJrd3x8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>


BTW he is a hypocritical idiot - imo.
 

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UPDATE: 6:10 p.m. -- Fox News on Tuesday announced the 10 candidates who will participate in the first Republican presidential debate this coming Thursday. The candidates are:

1. Donald Trump
2. Jeb Bush
3. Scott Walker
4. Mike Huckabee
5. Ben Carson
6. Ted Cruz
7. Marco Rubio
8. Rand Paul
9. Chris Christie
10. John Kasich

Let the craziness begin!
 
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Cackalacky

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Ted Cruz claims to cook bacon with a machine gun. But the problem is it isn't really a machine gun. And he claims to be a gun guy - smh.



<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/EaZGaJrd3x8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>


BTW he is a hypocritical idiot - imo.

Seems legit. Just like his presidential chances. I know I like metal fragments and gunpowder on my bacon.
 
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Cackalacky

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UPDATE: 6:10 p.m. -- Fox News on Tuesday announced the 10 candidates who will participate in the first Republican presidential debate this coming Thursday. The candidates are:

1. Donald Trump
2. Jeb Bush
3. Scott Walker
4. Mike Huckabee
5. Ben Carson
6. Ted Cruz
7. Marco Rubio
8. Rand Paul
9. Chris Christie
10. John Kasich

I'm glad Lindsay Graham doesn't have to come out on national television at this point. It will be very exciting when he comes out after the bodies start dropping and he can swoop in an steal the republican LGBT bloc.
 
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Bad capitalism beats good socialism every time.

You sound like me, when I was in middle school. Capitalism good, socialism bad!

This is a particularly silly thing to say considering every developed economy in the history of the world is a mixed economy. They are all their own shade of gray on the scale of complete socialism and complete capitalism. Every developed country on Earth could be labeled as "both," and it's worth noting that currently none of them are seeking out a libertarian, anarcho-capitalist utopia. They're pretty content with their bit of socialism.

But I think there's a still a pretty easy way to explain how absurd this statement is. The United States is somewhat socialist to go along with its capitalism, but certainly other countries are more socialist to go along with their capitalism. So shouldn't I be able to ignore "bad capitalism," and just ask why more socialist countries are simply not losing every time?

Things like life expectancy, why are the more socialist countries not getting beat?

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How do you explain more socialist countries having higher median incomes? Why aren't they losing?

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Why are the more socialist countries beating us in the classroom?

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Currently a few of the more socialist countries even have better credit ratings. Dafuq??

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Why don't they have worse violent crime rates?

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etc, etc, etc. If capitalism, even bad capitalism, is so undoubtedly superior, how do you show that with data? It seems like the Right blames government for our problems and proposes attacking government as the solution, when countries that are beating us use even more government in their solutions. It just seems weird to me that someone can go around making blanket statements like that without looking at the rest of the world, then to couple it with stating that acting like the rest of the world a bit more will turn us into Greece or Venezuela it's just A+ stuff.
 
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UPDATE: 6:10 p.m. -- Fox News on Tuesday announced the 10 candidates who will participate in the first Republican presidential debate this coming Thursday. The candidates are:

1. Donald Trump
2. Jeb Bush
3. Scott Walker
4. Mike Huckabee
5. Ben Carson
6. Ted Cruz
7. Marco Rubio
8. Rand Paul
9. Chris Christie
10. John Kasich

If I had to rank them:

1) Paul
2) Kasich
3) Bush
4) Rubio
fuck no) Carson, Christie, Cruz, Huckabee, Trump, Walker
 

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What now? Saying he was going to make Mexico pay for the wall (only if Trump is elected President so that they can stop all the American from fleeing to Mexico) and saying "When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're sending people that have lots of problems. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists, and some, I assume, are good people".

So many things wrong with this, first off Mexico doesn't send us people. Second not everyone who comes across the border is bringing drugs or are rapists. Also many are good hard working people. Obviously there are criminals in the mix as well but the comment is downright bullshit meant to pander to a portion of the population who believe it. Here is an interesting article on violent crimes by immigrants, which is far from conclusive but gives a look at both sides. Voices: How violent are undocumented immigrants?.

Many are good, hard working people. Many others are drug dealers, rapists, and murderers. At least give him credit for having the balls to address it and not dance around it.
 

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Do you also acknowledge that all of his solution for it have been absurd?

If not, explain how a huge wall that we don't have money to build or ship every illegal back and let the "good ones" back in?

Mexico will pay for it, right?

Acknowledging a problem is something everybody will do on the campaign trail, it's the solution that matters. Trump seems to be simply selling snake oil to angry people and they're drinking it up without actually providing them with any evidence of it actually working.

Please wake me up when any other candidate admits that we have a problem on our southern border, and have for years.
 

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There are like 15 other last names that are not Bush and do not rhyme with "dump". It must be a statistical impossibility that a quarter of republicans are supporting a candidate on that criterion. Trump is an ignorant dick and a quarter of the party is finally getting the kind of candidate they have been waiting for.

He is anti establishment and sets his own rules. People like that. And take a step back...it's August, 2015. The party hasn't gotten anyone yet.
 

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You sound like me, when I was in middle school. Capitalism good, socialism bad!

This is a particularly silly thing to say considering every developed economy in the history of the world is a mixed economy. They are all their own shade of gray on the scale of complete socialism and complete capitalism. Every developed country on Earth could be labeled as "both," and it's worth noting that currently none of them are seeking out a libertarian, anarcho-capitalist utopia. They're pretty content with their bit of socialism.

But I think there's a still a pretty easy way to explain how absurd this statement is. The United States is somewhat socialist to go along with its capitalism, but certainly other countries are more socialist to go along with their capitalism. So shouldn't I be able to ignore "bad capitalism," and just ask why more socialist countries are simply not losing every time?

Things like life expectancy, why are the more socialist countries not getting beat?

life-expectancy.gif


How do you explain more socialist countries having higher median incomes? Why aren't they losing?

xnsmmuvwz0ww5ductyp7rq.png


Why are the more socialist countries beating us in the classroom?

image.png


Currently a few of the more socialist countries even have better credit ratings. Dafuq??

Credit-Ratings.jpg


Why don't they have worse violent crime rates?

c-g04-eng.gif


etc, etc, etc. If capitalism, even bad capitalism, is so undoubtedly superior, how do you show that with data? It seems like the Right blames government for our problems and proposes attacking government as the solution, when countries that are beating us use even more government in their solutions. It just seems weird to me that someone can go around making blanket statements like that without looking at the rest of the world, then to couple it with stating that acting like the rest of the world a bit more will turn us into Greece or Venezuela it's just A+ stuff.

Every issue you brought up I've discussed on here before, some even with you directly (health/ lifestyle/ education). I don't see the point in doing it again.
 

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Please wake me up when any other candidate admits that we have a problem on our southern border, and have for years.

Are you honestly saying that it wasn't a debate topic in the last election or that it won't be this time? Obama even created legislation addressing it. Just because you don't like his solution, doesn't mean he didn't admit there was a problem and took action. Are you really this disingenuous?

Every issue you brought up I've discussed on here before, some even with you directly (health/ lifestyle/ education). I don't see the point in doing it again.

Nice dodge...
 

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Please wake me up when any other candidate admits that we have a problem on our southern border, and have for years.

They seem to all see problems, and point at them. They just aren't serious about the fix. It is the Republican response to problems (or lack thereof) that brings forth the Donald. He voices (often inartfully) the frustrations of many Americans. He offers hope that someone will tell the DC lifers to eat shit, and move out on a solution.

Look, I'm clearly conservative when it comes to border control and illegal immigration. However who is worse? Democrats ignoring laws, or Republicans failing to have the fortitude to use every opportunity to bring it up, and beat on them.

See, Democrats fell on their legislative swords for healthcare, and many sit at home today. Who in the Republican Party will have those kind of figurative "balls" to go down holding on tho their convictions...this shit about live to fight another day is beyond old...and morphs into an approach to longevity with no value.

To me Republicans are their own worst enemy because they are generally chicken shits after they get elected.
 

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One of the problems with comparing economies etc. is that often people, mistakenly or otherwise, set up false constructs and then the constructs become the basis of the argument. The "Sweden as an example of socialism that works" argument, for example. Yes, Sweden does have higher taxes than the US, but the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank, ranked Sweden as higher (in its view, "higher" means less "socialistic" or "left") than the US in key economic areas of free trade, property rights, investment freedom, freedom from corruption, monetary policy. My point is that it's hard to get a real apples to apples comparison to judge some countries. But, imo, there is enough evidence that "real" socialism -- say, Argentina or Cuba (or we can go elsewhere) -- is an enslaving system that destroys initiative and makes the poor suffer the most. Haitians and Cubans don't seek to come here because they think the weather is better.
 

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Many are good, hard working people. Many others are drug dealers, rapists, and murderers. At least give him credit for having the balls to address it and not dance around it.

I see it differently. I want people to talk about things constructively. We need people willing to sit down and talk about realistic solutions (and causes) of these issues. We don't need people pandering to the fringes (this goes to both Democrats and Republicans). We need to have a real and meaningful conversation about immigration in our country (both illegal and legal) and how we are going to handle it. To me his comments make the conversation more toxic and hurts the conversation.
 

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I'm counting the days till Donald Trump sticks his blade into the back of the GOP and throws his support behind Hillary. If you watch any professional wrestling, you can see this coming from a mile away.
 

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I'm counting the days till Donald Trump sticks his blade into the back of the GOP and throws his support behind Hillary. If you watch any professional wrestling, you can see this coming from a mile away.

His performance sure looked more like WWF bluster than anything else...so thats probably right on.
 
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