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i don't follow lax but watch when it is on if it's ND...obviously he is the best player on team and is the only one i would know by name....what is he rumored to have been suspended for?

Basically, at the end of the game UNC players rushed the field. He got caught in the middle of it and there was some minor pushing and shoving. For no reason whatsoever, the refs took it upon themselves to throw flags on a UNC player and Kavanagh for "unsportsmanlike conduct"... usually that means a one game suspension. Just ridiculous, all he was trying to do was get off the field and he effectively got mobbed by UNC players. Refs were just a total fucking joke in that game, most flag happy people I've ever seen.
 

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Basically, at the end of the game UNC players rushed the field. He got caught in the middle of it and there was some minor pushing and shoving. For no reason whatsoever, the refs took it upon themselves to throw flags on a UNC player and Kavanagh for "unsportsmanlike conduct"... usually that means a one game suspension. Just ridiculous, all he was trying to do was get off the field and he effectively got mobbed by UNC players. Refs were just a total fucking joke in that game, most flag happy people I've ever seen.


WOW! If true, that is total bull and really sucks. If they lose to duke, and then beat army, what seed would you expect? 6/7?
 

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Media source reporting no suspensions. Thank goodness.
 

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Hopefully that's the case. REALLY hoping they prove me wrong and win tomorrow!
 

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i don't follow lax but watch when it is on if it's ND...obviously he is the best player on team and is the only one i would know by name....what is he rumored to have been suspended for?

I don't know a thing about lacrosse but a bunch of friends played lacrosse at a high level and one of my current roommates played D1 lacrosse. I've watched a couple games with him this year, and he is of the opinion that Matt Landis is clearly the best player on the team, and has gone so far as to say he's arguably the best player in the country. Those of you who actually know the sport, is that a fair assessment (in particular the Landis>Kavanagh part) or is this just the bias of a former D-man?
 

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Don't play well with a lead and can't win a faceoff...these problems appear to be related. Two games in a row now.
 

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Don't play well with a lead and can't win a faceoff...these problems appear to be related. Two games in a row now.

Yeah, team has no idea how to play with a lead, mainly because they're failing to possess the ball. And that was the worst faceoff performance possibly in ND history, which ties in directly to failing to possess the ball.

Losing to Duke is fine, they and Brown are the best teams in the country right now. But losing to Duke and UNC how Notre Dame lost to those teams is beyond troubling.

Army just shut down a top ranked Navy team, so we'll know after next weekend just how it's time to panic. But I'm really disappointed with how ineffective/awful the midfielders are playing.
 

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Aside from Faceoffs, this team is losing because some of the better OCs have learned to exploit ND's quick slide D defense. Like in any sport if you don't master some change up schemes, you make it too easy for a talented O that can move the ball quickly (see Denver, UNC, Duke and maybe Brown). Basketball teams that run a high octane Ds use multiple personnel. ND coaches hardly ever sub (Quint mentioned it repeatedly last night). If you want ur horses fresh in the 4th quarter you must pace ur personnel. Danowski pulled Jones and let him rest for the 4th. The Irish looked ragged in the 4th.
 

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Aside from Faceoffs, this team is losing because some of the better OCs have learned to exploit ND's quick slide D defense. Like in any sport if you don't master some change up schemes, you make it too easy for a talented O that can move the ball quickly (see Denver, UNC, Duke and maybe Brown). Basketball teams that run a high octane Ds use multiple personnel. ND coaches hardly ever sub (Quint mentioned it repeatedly last night). If you want ur horses fresh in the 4th quarter you must pace ur personnel. Danowski pulled Jones and let him rest for the 4th. The Irish looked ragged in the 4th.

I feel like faceoffs contribute to this too, because the defense has to be 'on' constantly when we lose every single faceoff (of course in OT yesterday we appeared to have possession but then the refs awarded it to Duke for some reason). I saw on ESPN that time of possession was roughly equal during the entire game, but I would like to compare it just in the second half, where I doubt it was very close. Faceoffs were 17-5, I believe.

The bottom line is that we were not exactly dominating in games during the season, other than against Syracuse. There were a bunch of inexplicably close games against mediocre teams, including several we were fortunate to win in OT (UVA, Marquette) or that were really close until the very end (first game against Duke, Maryland). It's hard to have too much confidence going into the tournament, even though we are capable of winning it all (again, see the Syracuse game).
 

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Rooting interests for conference tournaments to help ND's seeding:
Brown to lose
Denver to lose
Albany to lose
Maryland??? lose? ND will lose their quality win but could jump them?

What do you think?
 

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Rooting interests for conference tournaments to help ND's seeding:
Brown to lose
Denver to lose
Albany to lose
Maryland??? lose? ND will lose their quality win but could jump them?

What do you think?

Don't think it matters, only team that maybe matters are Albany and Yale. I think we want both of them to lose. Notre Dame is probably a lock for a seed somewhere between 4 and 6... want to hope that Marquette sneaks in and we get them as a first round opponent, or otherwise avoid an ACC team. I think every team in the top 10 is pretty darn good, but it's obvious to me that Albany, Yale, and Loyola are a step below the true power teams. Especially Albany, I think they'll get toasted by any team with an athletic defense.
 

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I haven't been keeping up too much, ND was the top team in the country during the spring game yes?? Now they're a 4-6 seed?
 

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You don't think ND can still get a 3 seed if they beat army, and brown loses. They are currently sitting at 4 in the RPI?
 

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I haven't been keeping up too much, ND was the top team in the country during the spring game yes?? Now they're a 4-6 seed?

In the past two games we blew a 5 goal 4th quarter lead to a "meh" UNC team, and then blew a 4 goal lead to Duke. So we're a 3 loss team now, not a 1 loss team with our only loss to Denver in OT. There's virtually no way that we can get seeded ahead of Denver, Brown, or Maryland as things stand.

Maryland's RPI is too good and they have less losses, so even if they lose to Hopkins or somebody I think it's a tough argument for us to be slotted over them when they'll still have the #1 RPI. Brown only has one loss, and if they lose to Yale in the Ivy tournament all that probably means is that Yale jumps us in seeding. Denver is another team with only one loss, and it's hard to see a 3-loss ND jumping them if they have a head-to-head win over us. So the question becomes can we get seeded ahead of Albany, Yale, Loyola, and Syracuse? We currently have the #4 RPI, and assuming we beat Army I think we probably hold that spot.

Given that, I think Yale and Albany losses are most important for us. Should those happen, we're pretty much guaranteed the #4 seed or maybe #5 seed which means we're in the same sort of pod and probably playing Marquette in round 1 (maybe Villanova). If Albany wins and Yale wins, you're potentially looking at us being seeded as low as 7th behind Maryland, Denver, Brown, Yale, Albany, and Syracuse. I doubt that happens, but it's possible. Our ideal situation is ending up in pod with Albany who is a total paper tiger (coming off an OT win over 4-10 UMBC) or Yale (who is just really, really overrated on account of a couple early season victories before people figured them out. Yale is basically just a worse version of Notre Dame.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bracketology?src=hash">#Bracketology</a> 27 games left. 8 AQ bids to be won. <a href="https://twitter.com/D1scourse">@D1scourse</a> sets the Selection Sunday stage <a href="https://t.co/xkk0Hc8HFT">https://t.co/xkk0Hc8HFT</a> <a href="https://t.co/6Frf2XRzdY">pic.twitter.com/6Frf2XRzdY</a></p>— Lacrosse Magazine (@LacrosseMag) <a href="https://twitter.com/LacrosseMag/status/727567158859968512">May 3, 2016</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>A recent bracketology... this would basically be the best situation ever. Would be better than grabbing a #1 or #2 seed.
 

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Inside Lacrosse has a new Bracketology out with ND as a 3 seed, in a pretty ideal situation with Villanova first and the winner of Yale/UNC second. I definitely want to avoid Duke and Cuse to reach championship weekend.
 

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Some pretty crazy results yesterday...

Marquette beat Villanova, probably pushing Nova to the outside of the bubble and making Marquette a lock. Villanova has a high RPI but no quality wins. As long as Notre Dame beats Army, I see almost no way that the first round matchup isn't Notre Dame versus Marquette.

Hobart beat Bryant. Does this knock Bryant out of the field? Can Bryant backdoor their way in still as an at-large? Bryant has an RPI of 17, one spot ahead of UNC.

Rutgers beat Johns Hopkins (again) meaning Hopkins moves to a semi-scary position and Rutgers possibly slots themselves ahead of UNC now as an at-large candidate. What's crazy is that if Rutgers hadn't lost to Ohio State they'd be a complete lock. That was a massive loss for them last weekend.

But most crazy of all... in the America East, Vermont beat Stony Brook AND Hartford beat overrated Albany. Which means the team getting the AQ out of the America East is going to be an unranked, crappy team... and Albany is going to tumble down the seeding ladder. Stony Brook has an RPI of 15, and Albany has an RPI of 7... is Stony Brook still going to sneak in?

Anyways, if UNC is still in the field, they're at the very, very bottom... there is a lot of bid stealing going on.
 

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Definitley some surprising results, and I agree that marquette will probably be slated to play the Irish. I usually HATE rematches come post-season after you beat a team, but I would expect ND to play better against them the second time around and win by 3. Hopefully their second match is not an ACC team!
 

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Interesting new bracketology on insidelacrosse.com as they have maryland dropping to a #4 seed, as they no longer have a top 5 win, and ND sneeking up to #3.
 

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Another big upset as brown goes down. It will be quite interesting to see the selections on Sunday. I'd like to see Harvard knock Yale off on Sunday too.
 

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It's really looking like Brown and Yale are both paper tigers pumped up by easy schedules. Been impressed with Brown all year but in every "big game" against a decent opponent they've looked shaky. Yale is just a crappy version of ND. Pray for an Ivy and/or Albany in our pod, also pray for no Denver/Maryland/ACC teams. Gonna be a wild May.
 

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It's really looking like Brown and Yale are both paper tigers pumped up by easy schedules. Been impressed with Brown all year but in every "big game" against a decent opponent they've looked shaky. Yale is just a crappy version of ND. Pray for an Ivy and/or Albany in our pod, also pray for no Denver/Maryland/ACC teams. Gonna be a wild May.

Exactly what I just said to my boys. Already got tickets for championship weekend and will be TOTALLY bummed if the Irish aren't there!
 

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ND up to #3 in RPI. Duke/Syracuse/Marquette sit 8/9/10. If those results hold (or ND moves up to number 2 in RPI with a win... haven't done the math) we're probably looking at a top 3 seed... which could be either good or bad. Some of the 1 seed and 2 seed draws I've seen project are murder and basically guarantee a very hard second game.
 

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There doesn't seem to be an exact science to the selection....RPI, top 5 wins, head to head....
Is there any point where they sit down and try to get the best 4 teams to Philly?
 

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So... uhhh... Marquette just took down Denver... is ND gonna grab a top seed now? This is absolute chaos.
 

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Is it better or worse to play Denver before the title game? Does it matter?

In order of avoidance, I don't want to play:
1. Maryland
2. Denver
3. Duke
4. Syracuse

Bring on anyone else I don't care. Have to beat good teams. But those four are really tough matchups for ND because of faceoffs... or in the case of Maryland just playing some great lacrosse.
 

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In order of avoidance, I don't want to play:
1. Maryland
2. Denver
3. Duke
4. Syracuse

Bring on anyone else I don't care. Have to beat good teams. But those four are really tough matchups for ND because of faceoffs... or in the case of Maryland just playing some great lacrosse.

Are face-offs some highly specialized skill that can't be taught? Is it the sort of thing you recruit for? If so, why don't all the elite teams (including of course ND) have 'elite' guys?
 

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Seriously, craziness.
Let's hope ND takes care of army tomorrow and is rewarded with a good seed/pod!
 
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